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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:04 PM
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How come no one's mentioning the TENS of THOUSANDS of Kurds killed
Edited on Wed May-04-05 06:06 PM by LynnTheDem
because of Iraq's new Kurdish warlord "President" Talabani?

Just wondering.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:06 PM
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1. Do Tell
Please.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 07:09 PM
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4. Warlord Talabani; nicknamed by the Kurds "everyone's agent".
Most Americans seem to view the Kurds as innocent little children, always being attacked for no reason.

What would happen to a group of Americans who publicly announced their intention to overthrow the US government? Who carried out assassination attempts against members of the US government? If Canada sent money and arms to this group and publicly announced their goal of overthrowing the US government?
http://www.ndu.edu/library/n2/n015602O.pdf

The Fratricide War; more Kurds killed Kurds than anyone else did

In 1994, war broke out between the two leading factions of the Kurdish people, Al-Barazani's KDP and Al-Talabani's PUK, which resulted in the deaths of thousands of Kurdish fighters on both sides. The Clinton administration's intervention led to an agreement signed in Washington in 1998 that called for a cease-fire and for the division of the Kurdish territory into two sections, one led by an Al-Barazani government headquartered in Irbil and the second led by an Al-Talabani government headquartered in Sulaimaniya.
http://www.memri.de/uebersetzungen_analysen/laender/persischer_golf/irak_memri8_12_09_03.html

The Talabani-Barzani or PUK-KDP rivalry has been a dominant factor in Iraqi Kurdish politics for the last three decades.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2480197.stm

For decades main Kurdish military-political groups, under the misleading title of parties, waged a self-destructing war against each other. It is not an exaggeration to state that this long fratricide cost the Kurds more lives than the murderous actions of Saddam, Turkey and Iran combined.
http://home.cogeco.ca/~kurdistan3/2-6-04-opinion-zorab-sense-of-frustration.html

1991 Insurgency

During the insurgency against Hussein's government in 1991, Kurds (and the Shia) slaughtered men, women & kids by the truckload. The insurgents slaughtered thousands of Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds; some by execution, by slitting throats, by hanging, by shooting.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1992/WR92/MEW1-02.htm

"It was a revolution," says one Basrawi rebel named Mohamad, who deserted his army unit after the intifada began and eventually made it to the United States. "It was glorious. There were demonstrations and shooting. There were bodies all over the place."
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2001/11/iraq.html

Most Americans apparently only read HRW reports on those nations they're told to demonize; very few seem to have bothered reading the human rights reports against the Kurd. Warlord Jalal Talabani was the head of the PUK;

Human Rights Reports; Kurdistan

...fighting among rival Kurdish political parties continued throughout the year, with clashes between the KDP and the PUK causing significant displacement of civilians. Both parties have been implicated in a wide array of abuses, including arbitrary arrest of suspected political opponents; torture and ill-treatment of detainees; evictions of supporters of rival parties, and extrajudicial executions of dissident political activists.

Fighting among Kurdish parties and between Turkish and Kurdish forces aggravated an already serious problem of internally displaced people. The U.N. Center for Human Settlement estimated that "more than one third of the population. . . are internally displaced persons," of whom over 500,000 are in need of assistance. Many have been expelled from their homes in northern Iraq because of presumed support for rival Kurdish parties, while others fled north after Iraq expelled them from their homes in the Kirkuk and Khanaqin areas.
http://www.hrw.org/worldreport/Mideast-05.htm

In Iraqi Kurdistan armed Kurdish political parties and Iraqi security forces were also responsible for a wide variety of human rights violations, including the arbitrary detention of suspected political opponents, torture, and extrajudicial executions.
http://www.hrw.org/worldreport99/mideast/iraq.html

The two Kurdish political parties controlling Iraqi Kurdistan detained prisoners of conscience, and armed political groups were reportedly responsible for abductions and killings.
http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2002.nsf/mde/iraq?Open

Sounds just like Iraq's HR reports...and America's.

Why do the Kurds call Talabani "everyone's agent"? Because he's an ally and an enemy to everyone, depending what's best at that moment for Talabani. Just like the US policy.

Iraq's New President Jalal Talabani: Ally of CIA, Iranian Intelligence and Saddam Hussein
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/07/1343226

So it was OK at the time, in 1991, for Hussein's government to slaughter the Iraqi insurgents -with US support and assistance...it's OK now for the US to slaughter Iraqi insurgents...and while it was NOT OK for Iraqi insurgents to slaughter other Iraqis at the time, in 1991, bush has revised history and we're now slaughtering Iraqi insurgents BECAUSE Hussein's government slaughtered Iraqi insurgents -with US support and assistance- over a decade ago.

Is your moral compass confused yet?



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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:16 PM
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2. No sympathy here
The Kurds have been engaging in their own brand of terrorism for centuries -- helping the Turks during the Armenian genocide, harassing their non-Kurdish neighbors, and then cry fowl when it happens to them. They've terrorized the Assyrian community in northern Iraq (the indigenous people of Iraq) for decades, engaging in land grabs, killing off prominent members of the community and then squatting in their homes. Talabani is the worst of the bunch. The oppressed as oppressors.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:51 PM
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3. I didn't know all of that.
I'll have to research it. Thanks for pointing out that bit of history
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 07:55 PM
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5. Bet ya didn't know, either, that "President" Talabani kissed Saddam
Hussein's cheeks on the telly in 1991.

As with the photos of Rummy shaking Saddam's hand, the Talabani kissing won't be shown or spoken about by the US State Media.
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