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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:35 PM
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What does the US death toll have to get up to? for the media to start shouting, "bring the troops home!"
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:45 PM
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1. This is a combined graph


http://www.lies.com/wp/2003/10/20/us-deaths-in-vietnam-and-iraq-by-month/

I think that the threshold was about 200+/month. That's when the masses couldn't take anymore
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TR Fan Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:50 PM
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4. This graph is a bit tired
It measures absolute numbers. Why not measure as a percentage of the troops deployed. Obviously, give the fact that in the first years of VN, the number of US troops were extemely limited, while, in the first years of Iraq, the numbers were 100000+, the absolute numbers killed will be larger in the latter case.

Now, please change the subject by telling us all how horrible any single death is (true) and to measure percentages is to reduce our sensibility to individual death (true). However, be sure to note the point you were originally trying to obfuscate with the original graph.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:52 PM
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6. I agree
An extremely dishonest graph.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:57 PM
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8. I'm just making a comparison
And this is the only graph I could find and I don't have a spreadsheet etc to make you another one. It measures the number of soldiers killed per month.

The point is that the Vietnam started slow and there was no real resistence during the beginning either. It wasn't until it peaked that the people started to take genuine interest. By the looks of things the number is still too low right now.

Indeed each death is horrible, but people aren't going to respond to one single death. It isn't until they start to hear that 50 soldiers were killed this week that they are going to wake up.

And I didn't try to obfuscate anything. It's just a graph of two wars. And during the first there was no response in the beginning either and this war still isn't upto the scale of the end of the Vietnam war.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:46 PM
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2. Please dont let it hit 1600!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:52 PM
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5. It'll hit 1600 before the end of the week
Bank on it.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:50 PM
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3. How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a LIE? nt
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:56 PM
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7. The media will NEVER start crying that
That is not their job.
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