I predict it will be Clark/McCain vs Dean/Edwards.

[barbaraann]

Bush and Cheney are toast and the GOP has very few reasonable substitutes to choose from to keep the military-industrial complex chugging along. A military candidate will be able to say that they have a plan to get us out of Iraq and McCain will bring in some independents.

I just can't see what else the GOP can do.

[tjdee]

1. Clark wouldn't run as a Republican.

In addition to that, they'll run Bush again unless there is a MAJOR problem implicating him directly.

If that happens, they'll run Giuliani, Frist, Ridge..... not McCain.

It's also too early to peg a Dean victory--especially if Clark enters. It is TOO early.

[barbaraann]

25. It looks to me like Clark is keeping all of his options open.

And I think the GOP will need to go to an outsider if Bush is impeached or resigns, which I really think is likely.

And if it weren't too early to predict a Dean victory, then it wouldn't be a prediction, would it? :)

[thom1102]

31. I think Clark is just keeping the Pukes guessing

Not declaring his party affiliation until after he makes a decision to run. It's smart. Without announcing, no one knows what he's up to, and neither side will bash him, because they don't know what side he'll be on. He is clearly anti Bush, and I believe he is a registered Dem, but who knows. Stranger things have happened.

[displacedtexan]

2. i predict...

bush/cheney v kerry/edwards.

[maveric]

3. Will Clark run as a repub or McCain as a dem?

Or will we see a mixed ticket?

[FlashHarry]

4. NO way.

McCain is still a Republican, through and through. In fact, he proudly calls himself a "Reagan Republican."

[MaverickX]

5. no way..

The GOP will run Bush, no doubt about it.

[bicentennial_baby]

6. No

Clark has stated that he would'nt run as a Repub because it is Repub policies that he is opposed to. The GOP won't run someone who is pro-choice, pro-affirmative action, pro-progressive taxation, pro-environment, etc.

[gristy]

7. tough call for GOP

I just cannot see what the GOP is going to do. This admin is turning into very damaged goods. Nothing is going to go away any more, and the media smells blood.

[mjb4]

8. I will never vote for Edwards for ANYTHING

and what happened to his older son. Was he conflicted? He died/was killed recently and they had two more children. Little kids with no problems play much better teens. And they show them all the time. I will never vote for EDWARDS.

[FoxNewsIsTheDevil]

11. huh?

That post made no sense

[tjdee]

27. Edwards' son died in a rollover accident.

He also has a daughter who goes to Princeton. She's not a 'problem' for him.

[FlashHarry]

30. What the hell are you suggesting? N/T

[tjdee]

37. I was replying to mjb4's post.

He/she suggested that Edwards' younger children aren't 'problems' for him. I was pointing out that Catherine (Edwards' oldest daughter) is not a so-called 'problem' just because she's older--mjb4 seemed unaware that Catherine existed, and seemed to be slagging Edwards based on his having small children???

[barbaraann]

33. My god!

Is that some kind of Vince Foster post?

[FlashHarry]

36. Seems like. A hit-and-run post.

[Brian Sweat]

43. A moose because a vest has no sleaves?

[mlawson]

44. A better idea: just don't vote.

Your post made no sense. What is this, some new attack theme against Sen Edwards, implying that his son's tragic death was somehow John's fault????

This is a new low.

[greatauntoftriplets]

9. Nixon won by a landslide in 1972,

DESPITE Watergate.

[FoxNewsIsTheDevil]

10. Watergate was going on in '72?

[greatauntoftriplets]

14. the Watergate break-in occurred June 17, 1972.

It was news headlines for months prior to the election. The congressional investigation did not begin until after the election. The whole point of the break-in was to find inside information on the Democrats' election strategy.

"On June 17, 1972, police apprehended five men attempting to break into and wiretap Democratic party offices. With two other accomplices they were tried and convicted in Jan., 1973. All seven men were either directly or indirectly employees of President Nixon's reelection committee, and many persons, including the trial judge, John J. Sirica, suspected a conspiracy involving higher-echelon government officials. In March, James McCord, one of the convicted burglars, wrote a letter to Sirica charging a massive coverup of the burglary. His letter transformed the affair into a political scandal of unprecedented magnitude."

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/section/Watergat_TheWatergateBreak-in.asp

[Pepperbelly]

15. wasn't even linked in the PRESS until Oct. 10, 1972 ...

not even a month before the election and an article in the WP is a far, far cry from what we are seeing now.

[FoxNewsIsTheDevil]

16. Agreed

[greatauntoftriplets]

17. Didn't you KNOW instinctively that Tricky Dick was behind it all?

Nixon was always such a crook. Remember how he ran in 1968 on a platform of ending the war in Vietnam? His answer: Escalate. Send even more troops. He had lied to the people from day one.

[Pepperbelly]

21. of course he did ...

You knew that, I knew that yet he just won a resounding landslide so apparently most voters didn't know it.

It was barely percolating when the election was held. In September, the burgulars were indicted. In October, the WP implcated CREEP in the earliest reports but they were still only a month before the election and they were QUITE preliminary.

[gristy]

12. surely the Watergate investigation didn't get rolling until his 2nd term

eom

[Pepperbelly]

13. shit didn't start hitting the fan until '73...

:D

But boy when it did!

on eidit: CREEP first implicated on Oct. 10, 1972, in an WP article, just one month before the election.

[IndianaGreen]

18. McCain is far to the right of Lieberman

He is far too rightwing to be even a DLC Democrat or a Zell Miller Democrat.

McCain makes Lieberman look like a liberal!

[CMT]

19. Clark will run as a democrat in primaries and there is a

good possibility that if he is not the dem nominee he will be on the ticket as VP.

[FoxNewsIsTheDevil]

20. I think if Lieberman pulls out (which is rumored) and Clark gets in

He is RIGHT up there in contention withe Kerry, Edwards, Dean for the nomination.

[Nashyra]

23. I agree

Clark/Kerry/Dean/Edwards any combination with clark on the ticket can beat *, with Dean and Edwards I think Clark would do well to be the top of the ticket.

[Terwilliger]

22. Military candidates are out...you people had your chance

NON-MILITARY GOVERNANCE!

PEACE NOW!

KUCINICH OR PEACE CANDIDATE IN 04!!!

END AMERICAN IMPERIALISM!!!

[Prodemsouth]

24. If you can make predictions. Esp. one like that

how about the lottery numbers? On second thought forget it,the numbers would be wrong because this predicition is waayyy wrong. What has occured to cause you to make such a predicition.

[barbaraann]

28. A prediction about the lottery would be a sheer guess.

I'm predicting these tickets based on reasoning and some intuition. My prediction is based on having lived through Watergate, my education, my first-hand experience in politics, my judgement of Clark's character and Dean's campaign, and belief that the military-industrial complex will do absolutely anything to maintain its grip on our nation.

Actually, I agree with Terwilliger's post above, but having grown up in the military I know how strong a grip the military types have on our government. I want a Department of Peace with all my heart and I want a candidate who will work for that.

[Prodemsouth]

35. With due respect you did not answer my question?

Or pardon me let me put it another way. Okay you have all those things you say you have. Explain to me please why you think McCain, supporter of Gulf War the sequel, and who has turned into a loyal Bushie in the Senate the last 8 months; will join Clark who is critical of invasion Iraq. Plus he is no McCain on other important issues.

[barbaraann]

40. Because it isn't about Iraq.

It's about lucrative military contracts--billions and billions of dollars worth of contracts with overruns and "favors."

[Hoppin_Mad]

26. Dean / Clark

That's the ticket !

[barbaraann]

29. I don't think your avatar is happy with that ticket!

:)

[ronnykmarshall]

38. How about Clark/Dean??

I think that Dean will be on ticket one way or another.

I really want to hear more about Clark.

[gulliver]

32. Clark/Edwards

A born leader from Arkansas and a gifted "former Senator."

[tokenlib]

34. You can't be serious...

The media has spent an enormous amount of energy legitimizing Bush since selection 2000. Since 9-11 he has been given the largest political blank check in history. Most Americans are too apathetic to care about any details. The GOP has a virtual dictatorship of all three branches of the government.

Bush is going to be there to run for election. And we are going to have to work like hell to evict that bastard from the White House.

[barbaraann]

39. Yes, I'm serious. Bush is just a puppet

for the real powers--those wealthy individuals who profit mightily from the national security state and who would toss him overboard to the sharks in a heartbeat to maintain the military-industrial complex.

They will kick him out of the Presidency the way they kicked him off the board of the Carlyle Group if they need to.

[librechik]

41. they'll do it just like they did Nixon. Cheney will go first

then Bush will appoint some acceptable Republican, say Pat Roberts or John Warner, to be VP, then it's Shrub's turn to walk the Plank. (R) to be named later finishes out the term, then we have elections-- or is that "elections"---so you may be right about two new Republicans sharing the ticket instead of Bush and Cheney. It has to be this way, because the Republicans won't give up power just because their puppet's head flew off. The Puppetmasters will still be there behind the curtain.

[barbaraann]

42. Or Bush might appoint Clark as VP.

Maybe Cheney's heart problems will suddenly get worse. Actually, have we heard the results of his tests last week yet?

[OKNancy]

45. LOL - You forgot one little problem

The Republicans have primaries too. No Republican is going to vote for a pro-choice, pro-affirmative action, pro safety net, anti- Patriot act, sensible gun control LIBERAL like General Clark.

[barbaraann]

46. Good points. However, I think that most of their other potential

candidates are tainted by their association with the Bush lies.

And remember, they elected a brain-damaged, degenerate, AWOL, failed frat-boy who doesn't stand for anything but greed and power, so they might be able to push off a decent, intelligent candidate on them this time.

This is all from the perspective of someone (me) who believes that the war machine profiteers are in charge, not the ideologues.