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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:02 AM
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a freeper email and my response
This just came in:




She really was a traitor.

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
not remember, and didn't have to bear the
burden that our fathers, mothers and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.






Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
"100 Women of the Century."






Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda
betrayed not only the idea of our country,
but specific men who served and sacrificed
during Vietnam.







The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.






The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.






In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
the "Hanoi Hilton."






Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American
"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
treatment" he'd received.






He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
on to the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk.






In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
double vision (which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
application of a wooden baton.






From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
family only knew he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
clothed routine in preparation for A
"peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to
get word to the world that they were alive
and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
on it, in the palm of his hand.






When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
treatment from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the
end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed
him all the little pieces of paper.






Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we
know of her actions that day.






I was a civilian economic development advisor
in Vietnam, and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.






I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year
in a "black box" in Hanoi.
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodian border.
At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)







We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."






When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by
the camp communist political officer if I would
be willing to meet with her.






I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by
the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
"humane and lenient."






Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
and beaten with a bamboo cane.






I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
soon after I was released. I asked her
if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She never did answer me.






These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
someone who should be honored as part
of "100 Years of Great Women."
Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots.






There are few things I have strong visceral
reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
blatant treason, is one of them.
Please take the time to forward to as many
people as you possibly can.
It will eventually end up on her computer and
she needs to know that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343






PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO
EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF
ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER
STATUS WILL CHANGE



Here's my response:

I found another one. Video is available at the link:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

Here he is:






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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:04 AM
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1. Beautiful.
NGU. :patriot:


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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:05 AM
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2. Seven seconds at snopes.com
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

That was easy. Write another one.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:07 AM
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3. you should send the freeper the snopes link too:
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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:08 AM
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4. The myth that won't go away..thanks to RWers who don't do
research. Jane Fonda has been honored multiple times for work as a performer, humanitarian, activist..and every single time- as well as plenty of times in between.. this reliable old chestnut surfaces.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:11 AM
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5. This is another "Urban Legend"
If you click on --

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

you'll get a full detailed story.

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:16 AM
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6. Snopes link sent. Title: Snopes calls "Bullshit"
Edited on Wed May-04-05 10:19 AM by Bozita
Thanks to all for the suggestion.
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Mixxster Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:16 AM
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7. Besides all the bogus information in that e-mail...
the list/TV special, which was actually called "A Celebration: 100 Years of Great Women", aired 6 years ago in 1999.
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:16 AM
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8. Right on!
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:22 AM
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9. These vets need to let it go, it's been over 30 years
Holding a grudge that long will eat you up, emotionally and physically.
It was a very long time ago, and the war was wrong, the anti-war crowd was right about that. Where they were wrong was in blaming the soldiers-that was in the day of the draft, and a lot of those guys weren't there voluntarily, nor were they the kind of well-trained professional military we have now. A good number of Vietnam vets have let it go, and moved on with their lives.
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:40 AM
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10. Mostly RW vets
My gf's dad is a Vietnam vet and he supported the proestors. He said they have the right to protest sending troops to war if they want to. He has no grudge against anyone even Vietnamese. I think it's the RW vets that have a hard time letting go since they have been through a bad time, can't cope, and feel a need to be appreciated when most Vietnam vets were ridiculed nationwide.
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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:37 PM
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11. May I suggest
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:55 PM
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15. I'd like to, but I don't know how to move a thread
good suggestion!
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:41 PM
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12. God, not this bogus story again...
Doesn't the right wing have any *NEW* "tales of treason" to bitch about??????? :shrug:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:47 PM
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14. Hell, they're still pissing & moaning about Chappaquiddick
It's called grasping for straws.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:43 PM
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13. Nice
That picture alone is worth a thousand words. Just goes to show you who is a traitor.
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