35 years ago today the Republicon war machine killed 4 students in Ohio.

[ClassWarrior]

Today I mourn.

NGU.

[formerrepuke]

1. I had a few (then young) teachers in the '70s who were students

there at the time- they would remember the anniversaries with a haunted look on their faces.

[meganmonkey]

2. In their memory

We work to end this war. We work to end the tyranny of our own government on the people of the United States.

:patriot:

[Dhalgren]

3. And, I might add, the people of the world...

[meganmonkey]

5. Indeed!

Thank you for clarifying my sentiment :)

[ClassWarrior]

6. Let's just say...

...we work to end the tyranny of government over people.

And I too :patriot: salute all who dedicate themselves to this God given work.

Never Give Up.

[omega minimo]

16. An American Tragedy

"And I too salute all who dedicate themselves to this God given work."

:rofl:

[ClassWarrior]

18. I take it you don't salute those who work to end tyranny, omega minimo.

NGU.

[omega minimo]

20. Wrong again

It was funny coming from you
considering
the frequency on this board
that you salute
others working toward these goals
with the middle finger

The statement you made
invokes a sense of
possible
consistency
in the application of
respect

I wish you well, Warrior.

:hi:


And may the souls and families of Kent State martyrs rest in peace

[ClassWarrior]

21. Thanks for trying to pick a fight over the memories of these brave kids.

NGU.

[omega minimo]

22. We mourn together. Peace

The statement you made
invokes a sense of
possible
consistency
in the application of
respect

[ClassWarrior]

26. Please don't use peace as a bromide for your disrespect.

NGU.

[omega minimo]

27. Bromide!

:rofl:

[Virginian]

4. I cried when I read about it.

I don't remember their names now. One of the dead students carried her kitten to classes with her.

Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming.
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

[bobthedrummer]

7. The history of our country seldom mentions the illegal war on dissent

which Nixon approved of, things like COINTELPRO, and Operation CHAOS.
In that history the political assassinations of many Americans, besides the murder of the four Kent State students, becomes clear as a bell.

BFEE is a lot worse than Nixon though. They're American fascists.

[wicket]

8. Picture:

[Ellipsis]

9. In uniform or not... soldiers none the less.

God bless them all.

[murdoch]

10. 10 days later, 2 black students were killed at Jackson State

And of course, they were killed because Nixon had decided to expand the invasion of Vietnam into an invasion of Cambodia as well.

On May 8, 1970, construction workers attacked students protesting this on Wall Street (an attack that was organized by their union leadership and their contractors). On May 20th, 1970, the Building and Construction Trades Council of Greater New York organized a pro-war march.

I observed a pro-war rally on April 12th, 2003 organized by the Building and Construction Trades Council of Greater New York as well. It was smaller than the 1970 event, mostly because union membership had plummeted since 1970, even in New York City, even in the skilled construction trades. But that is a success in the AFL-CIO leadership's mind, which would be getting workers to support imperialism and disempowering them domestically.

Kent State, the Cambodia invasion, AFL-CIO leadership organizing a fascist-type attack on anti-imperialists, all of these things are all one thing, really.

[ClassWarrior]

12. To be remembered and mourned as well.

Thank you for the reminder.

NGU.

[formerrepuke]

11. Alison Krause, Jeffrey Miller, Sandra Scheuer, William Schroeder

[lonestarnot]

13. Repukes... I detest them. Thanks for the memory that dredges up more

of the contempt. Inspiration for further action against this machine when I'm feeling worn down!

[livetohike]

14. Allison Krause was from a suburb in Pgh

and a rival high school of my own. I was a Senior in High School 35 years ago. It seems like yesterday.

RIP Allison - and all.

[UdoKier]

15. To be absolutely honest, it was and is a DEMOCRAT-REPUBLICAN war machine

Nixon was no worse than LBJ, who needlessly inflated the Vietnam skirmish into a bloodbath, when it was none of our business.

And in 2003, there was no shortage of democrats lining up to support Bush's murderous war on Iraq. I'm not a Naderite who says there is no difference between the parties, or that the miniscule differences don't matter, but please bear in mind that a party whose elected officials vote the way Democrats do would be RIGHT of center in most western democracies.

An many of the democrats are just as much at the teat of the military-industrial complex as repugs.

Sure, Nixon deserves the brunt of the blame for Kent state, but there are precious few democrats in office whose hands are clean of the blood of needlessly dead soldiers.

[lonestarnot]

28. Nixon in office then, how can you blame dems? Johnson finally

pulled out of Vietnam.

[UdoKier]

29. The poster referenced the "war machine"

And the democratic party is only dovish compared to the ultra-militaristic murder party, the GOP, and back during Vietnam, the democratic party was even more hawkish than it is now.

I do not blame dems for Kent State, but you are factually incorrect. Johnson escalated the war, Nixon served a term and a half, and brought the war to an end (much later than he should have, of course)

They were both horrible, blood-drenched presidents. Where did you get the idea that Johnson was President AFTER Nixon?

[lonestarnot]

30. I am dyslexic...LOL... I really don't know how I did that...

[Number9Dream]

17. A turning point for many...

On May 2, 1970, my unit was ordered into the boonies to reinforce another unit which had been decimated the day before... boonie-rats helping other boonie-rats. On May 6th, we heard about Kent State, and I can remember the anger at the NG troops who had shot unarmed students.
I am certain that Kent State was a turning point for many vets, as it was for me.

Anybody interested please see: www.may4.org
An excellent site.

[sinkingfeeling]

19. I was a student at OSU at the time and my sister had just graduated

from Kent State. I've always blamed Gov. James Rhodes more than Nixon. But I will also remember that day and "Four Dead in Ohio".

[ClassWarrior]

23. kicking for the lunch crowd...

NGU.

[cookiebird]

24. Thanks

I teach at Kent State. Thank you, all of you, who remember.
It continues to be a controversy. Debates continue to rage over whether the students "deserved it" whether the Guard "should have shot more of them" and the traditional canard that off campus communists were plotting to bring down the US government one campus at a time. From my perspective, the point is a basic one: 4 Unarmed students were killed and 9 others were wounded. 2 of the dead were on their way to their next classes as school was still in session. None of the victims, wounded or dead, had a weapon. How in G-d's name anyone continues to justify that slaughter still amazes me.
With time, we can still learn from this tragic event.

[donsu]

25. I kept saying: 'they shot students!' 'students'! & my family could have

cared less. hippy students shouldn't have been protesting. should have been in class with mouths shut - was the family point of view.

I was sick to my stomach. remembering that day has me typing with goosebumps.

I've harbored anger ever since.

[lonestarnot]

31. Poor thing... I harbor anger too... doesn't feel good does it... Keep

fighting... anger sometimes brings accomplishment!