Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Bush Has Grabbed The 3rd Electrified Rail: Now Turn On The Juice!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 12:15 PM
Original message
Bush Has Grabbed The 3rd Electrified Rail: Now Turn On The Juice!
CounterPunch
May 3, 2005

Social Security and Democratic Cowardice
Bush Has Grasped the Third Rail, Now Turn on the Juice
By DAVE LINDORFF

Having failed to attract much interest in his plan for privatizing Social Security and killing it off more or less directly, President Bush, in a rare, but typically scripted press conference at the White House last week, declared his intention to convert the 70-year-old retirement security program into a welfare program, pure and simple.

Congressional Democrats, who for years have warned that Republicans are out to ruin Social Security, now have it direct from the president's own mouth. If they cannot stand firm against the threat now that it's been clearly stated, they deserve to go the way of the Whigs.

The truth is, progressives have been handed a golden opportunity. Bush's espousal of an income-staggered retirement system opens the door for them to promote a genuinely progressive alternative--one which would not threaten the middle class or undermine broad political support for the basic program. That alternative is to call for an end to the cap on income subject to Social Security taxation (currently any income above $90,000 per individual is not taxed).

The only correct stand at this point is no compromise. Social Security must be not just preserved; it must be bolstered. The president has grasped that third rail. It's time to throw the switch and hit him with some high-voltage popular outrage.

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff05032005.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 12:19 PM
Response to Original message
1. Yehai! ZZZZAAPPP!! Hey, I'd go for a tapered approach to income
above 90k - have the rate step or decline gradually to a significantly lower rate - perhaps only .25% above 200-300k would be fine with me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Tax The Rich!
Why should someone who makes one or ten million dollars a year pay no more into social security than someone who makes 90,000 dollars year?

That's just not fair!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. Hey, I'm with ya - I'll be hit but I don't mind
Why is it so bad for people who make more money to pay more?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 12:22 PM
Response to Original message
2. I like that "electrified rail" analogy.
And the juice should be turned up so high and leave such enduring scars as to discourage future generations of Republicans from going near it.

This is one of the reasons for my confusion over the very existance of "lunch bucket republicans".

Why would anyone who wears a name tag at work consider these robber barons for public office.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. The phrase referring to Social Security was coined by Tip O'Neill in the
1980s in response to the Reagan Administration's plan to cut retirement benefits.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 12:28 PM
Response to Original message
4. Exactly - I said this weeks ago
Edited on Tue May-03-05 12:28 PM by Skip Intro
--------------
you know what its really about is popular perception, which, as the bush regime has clearly demonstrated, doen't require facts.

the repukes are sooooo vulnerable on this issue, bush has touched the third rail, and we can control the voltage.

let them present whatver bill they like - we'll deem it doa and call it an attack on seniors.

over and over again.
--------------

in a reply to this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3354924

-------------

We could hammer it, yell about it, blow it out and up until it pops - all the while expressing, and inflaming, the public's doubts and fears about what bush and the republicans want to do. We win this.

But its more than that - its about what Bush and the republicans think of the people - middle America - in all its segments. WE, acting as shocked defenders of the average American's interest, could really hammer home the message of who really has their best interest at heart.

This issue cuts across all boundaries. When you're talking about how and if you're going to be able to eat and maintain shelter and pay protection money to the drug companies, you're no longer white or black or Baptist or Catholic or straight or gay - you're an American watching his republican-controlled government try to break the only promise its ever kept.

This is a winning issue, and we should milk it for all its worth. I think its lethal to the other side. Its not called the third rail for nothing.

We are the people, and should be, loudly, them - not giving an inch, in fact, calling for increases in SS spending, putting a human face on it, and at every single opportunity, show that WE are the ones on their, the people's, side, painting bush and the repubs as villains who throw money around with the pentagon and big corporations, but expect "the people" to sacrifice the one guaranteed bit of security they've always counted on.

Its us against them, only this time, bush and the repubs are "them."

There's so much more we could do here than just win the argument. We could use SS to slay the repubs. We could turn their world upsidedown. And we should. This is the issue.
------------------
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 12:33 PM
Response to Original message
6. From what I've seen
the democrats have NOT been cowards when it comes to SS. The republicans have never liked social security because it helps people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ibid Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 12:35 PM
Response to Original message
7. A GREAT THOUGHT - end the cap must be our cry. :-)
Edited on Tue May-03-05 12:38 PM by ibid
A GREAT THOUGHT - end the cap must be our cry. :-)
I like it, I like it, I like it!

:thumbsup:

I like it, I like it, I like it!

:thumbsup:

:toast:

:-)

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Lower The Retirement Age To 65
And if we "end the cap on the rich" we can bring the social security full retirement age back down to 65!

I think an overwhelming majority of people will agree with the idea that the rich ought to pay their fair share of social security taxes. That's what ending the cap is really all about.

I'm not sure what the most effective and easily understood slogan might be. It must be short, sweet and simple.

Any ideas on this? Here's a few rough stabs.

"The Rich Should Pay Social Security Taxes"

"Everyone Should Pay Their Fair Share"

"The Rich Should Pay Their Share"

Not very good ones. I'm sure other DU'ers can do better.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 05:46 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC