Did any of you see "60 Minutes" tonight?

[Radio_Lady]

The segment on the alleged atrocities and tortune in Guantanamo Bay prison are absolutely horrendous.

What is this world coming to? It is more than shocking; it's disgusting that this sort of behavior is condoned.

[Roland99]

1. Not only condoned but encouraged, supported, and expected

[knowbody0]

2. not front page news worthy?

i am so ashamed of the us

[Skip Intro]

3. it doesn't seem to ever get traction with "middle America" for some reason

its like everyone's in some widspread pattern of denial - they just don't want to hear it, and when they do, they makebelieve they didn't.

How do you get thru to those people?

[SharonAnn]

5. I think that's it. We don't want to face it so we deny it. How awful!

As Howard Dean said

"I want my country back!"

[aquart]

7. Kind of like the German citizenry, way back when?

[alfredo]

8. I've met too many middle Americans who support torture

They deserve what bush is doing to America.

[omega minimo]

11. This comes up often on DU. Maybe we need a

"How do you get thru to those people?" Forum?

:headbang: :banghead:

[Festivito]

14. That's actually a needful idea.

A forum of conversion stories. Including research that changed individual minds.

The How we got through to some of these people forum.

[omega minimo]

15. Demlightenment

Okay, I like where that's going. It could include not just "us" scratching (or banging) our heads about it. Also, comments from people that are open to being "gotten through to" who haven't committed yet...

I talk to some of them. I listen. I consider them barometers of the political winds blowing. People who think corporations run both parties and we have a one-party state.

People who think it will take a great tragedy to wake people up.

People who think both parties lie the same and as much and are tired of the bullshit. (Another reason for the Dems to quit being Republican Lite).

:kick:

[Festivito]

16. I'd like a repository for what did change people who did change.

Ed Schultz, Air America pundit, has a nine-minute talk on how he did his own research, and, moved from CON to enlightened.

How did others. What item or items did they not know before, that when they did know it, their whole perspective changed.

Invite new members to drop in and tell a story.

If people on the brink posted near their favorite stories, we could certainly answer their questions, or question their information.

Demenlightened

[omega minimo]

17. Met a Repug headed up the CA leadership food chain

who jumped ship when a particularly scary R candidate ran for governor. He knew how bad that would be and now is active with MoveOn.

[Radio_Lady]

18. Hope that isn't to close to "demented" -- just trying to think how

the Republicans could spin it!

[omega minimo]

20. To borrow from a Mike Malloy promo

"It's common sensical!

If people start really waking up and recognizing their own power/responsibility, it will be common sense and common concerns that bind us together. United. We stand. And deliver.

:kick:

The attitude of divisiveness and lie-mongering is a marketing ploy. Plenty of undecideds, independents and Republicans know that Bush&Co. are in it for themselves and no one else.

[hvn_nbr_2]

19. Unfortunately...

(in pessimistic mode now) I suspect that it will take the same or something similar to get thru to these people that it took to get thru to the "good Germans." Maybe only a world economic war instead of a real military world war. The insanity and the control of all branches of government and media may have gone too far for anything else to turn it around. (I do have less pessimistic days. I've even had a few recently, when the Thugs backed down on the ethics rules, when it started looking like DeLay and Bolton were going down.)

[understandinglife]

4. MissionNOTAccomplished - May 2 2005 is just THE BEGINNING...

....OF MNA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3581511

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - for all those who care

[asjr]

6. So very many people knew about it, but the coverups keep

coming. The WH and Def Dept will deny all of it.

[Riddler]

10. It's sickening to me......

that an administration that tries so hard to use religion as it's ace-in-the-hole for it's holier-than-thou image has such total disregard for another's religion. Can you spell HYPOCRITE?

[LibDemAlways]

9. I honestly think millions of Americans

looked at those photos and thought the Iraqis were getting what was coming to them. These people are convinced the prisoners are in some way responsible for 9/11 and no punishment could be too harsh. Other idiot morons buy Limpballs story that this is no worse than a fraternity prank, so nothing to get worked up about.

At any rate, it sure didn't cause the kind of outcry it should have.

[G_j]

12. where is Congress????? many of them saw the second group of photos

of torture in Iraq also. Those pictures are supposed to be really bad.
Now they are a 'secret'.
Isn't it criminal to see evidence of a crime and do nothing about it?

[kansasblue]

13. very sad

I see that and think that we should be losing God's blessing for those actions. We are like Germany and the concentration camps.

Flash ahead: "2009: US Citizens are forced to view pictures of Gitmo camps. Most claimed that were unaware of torture"

[MissWaverly]

21. Where has the press been all this time

GITMO was going strong all during the 2004 elections