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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:54 AM
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Check out these Quotes by Hitler
I find it creepy how closely they resemble what people like Pat Robertson, James Dobson, and others are saying. But then again it was the "good" German people, the "moral values" crowd, that allowed Nazism to come to fruition. After all wasn't their slogan "God is on our side".

Is that what is happening in America today?

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people. (Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933)

I have followed in giving our party program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it. (Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40)

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. (Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 46)

What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.
This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief.
I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so (Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941)

Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in a fanatical outlook. (Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 171)

I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda is a true art which has remained practically unknown to the bourgeois parties. Only the Christian- Social movement, especially in Lueger's time achieved a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to which it owed many of its success. (Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 6)
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:57 AM
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1. So the question begs to be answered
Do you think that Pat Robertson, James Dobson, et al are true believers or are they just telling the masses what they want to hear like Hitler?
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 12:00 PM
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2. Seeing how Christianity has always been an ego-centered religion
It is safe to say these people completely act in what they perceive as being best for them. In short, no, they don't buy any of this crap, they just know this is what is selling.

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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 12:14 PM
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3. "We need believing people..."
...as opposed to thinking people...
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 12:16 PM
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4. Thinking People: Bad
Which is why the whole thing is predicated on faith; one cannot debate faith.
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 12:17 PM
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5. Great quotes! It is scary, really.
Here are some others that are very telling.

How fortunate for leaders that men do not think

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.

The victor will never be asked if he told the truth

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.

The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.

The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.


And here is one for those fundies who say that liberals are Nazis because they were "National Socialists":
Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction.


Creepy stuff!
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 12:40 PM
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6. If it quacks like a duck...
An exerpt from an article by Maureen Farrell (December 7, 2004)...


"God Is With Us": Hitler's Rhetoric and the Lure of "Moral Values"

A couple weeks ago, while asserting that the Founding Founders intended for the U.S. government to be infused with Christianity, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said that the Holocaust was able to flourish in Germany because of Europe's secular ways. "Did it turn out that, by reason of the separation of church and state, the Jews were safer in Europe than they were in the United States of America?" Scalia asked a congregation at Manhattan's Shearith Israel synagogue. "I don't think so."

One might expect regular citizens to be ignorant of history, but a Supreme Court Justice? Does he imagine that the phrase "Gott mit Uns" was a German clothier's interpretation of "Got Milk"?

If photographic evidence of the Third Reich's Christian leanings were not enough, Hitler's own speeches and writings prove, at the very least, that he presented many of the same faith-based arguments heard in America today. Religion in the schools? Hitler was for it. Intellectuals who practiced "anti-Christian, smug individualism"? According to Hitler, their days were numbered. Divine Providence's role in shaping Germany's ultimate victory? Who could argue? In other words, there is enough historical evidence to color Scalia deluded. Writing for Free Inquiry, John Patrick Michael Murphy explained:

"Hitler's Germany amalgamated state with church. Soldiers of the vermacht wore belt buckles inscribed with the following: "Gott mit uns" (God is with us). His troops were often sprinkled with holy water by the priests. It was a real Christian country whose citizens were indoctrinated by both state and church and blindly followed all authority figures, political and ecclesiastical.

Continued @ http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/12/far04041.html

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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 02:09 PM
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7. Photos of Nazis and their use of the church
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