More Evidence That Hillary Cannot Win: Michigan & Ohio

[BamaLefty]

Again, she's too polarizing. Feingold, Clark, anybody else would be a sure winner though IMO.

http://rasmussenreports.com/2005/Ohio%20and%20Hillary.htm

http://rasmussenreports.com/2005/Michigan%20and%20Hillary.htm

[JamboGuide]

1. Good....

Then let keep bitching about thier manufacturing job loss.

[Quixote1818]

2. Kerry's numbers were similar to that just before the election

That means their are 60% who might vote for her. All she needs to get is 51%.

[Zynx]

Those negatives are way too high

The only way I can see Hillary overcoming those is if the Republicans are doing so badly nationally that anyone could beat them.

[Capn Sunshine]

3. I'd just say Ohio, and add Florida

Until the electronic voting fraud and concentrated disenfranchisement of the poor and heavy democratic areas is stopped, all the rest of this is just so much blather.

Why this isn't your first priority will come back to bite you in the ass in 2006, mark my words.

[Elwood P Dowd]

4. Repuke companies own about 40% of the voting machines.

Doesn't take much tweaking to swing an election.

[Capn Sunshine]

31. That's the point!

Stop worrying about candidates and worry about the mechanics, or the candidate fight is moot.

[aquaman]

5. Hillary has no shot in Hell of winning....

[BamaLefty]

6. Thank You

just too polarizing.

[caledesi]

15. Thank you too. NO chance of winning...none. nt

[BillZBubb]

7. Why, exactly is Hillary polarizing?

I understand that the right wing howls at the sound of her name. But, they are braying morons who haven't got a clue. What exactly has she ever done that would make the average, sane person not vote for her?

[TheWraith]

9. Ditto.

I'm not backing Hillary, but I don't agree that she couldn't win. People here are nigh-impossible to please--there are those who say she's too polarizing, and there's those who say she's too far right. At least here in NY, she's got very high positives in all demos including Republicans.

[Quixote1818]

10. She is no more polarizing that Bill was and less polarizing than Bush

She could win. Forty percent NEVER vote Democrat, it's the 20% in the middle that decide the election. Hillary only needs to get 11 out of 20. The Hillary is polarizing thing is true to a point but their have been many polarizing candidates who have won including Bush!

[eridani]

12. She pisses off right and left alike

The righties hate her for being female and having political power. The lefties are ticked off by her support of the war and the PATRIOT Act.

[LeftyMom]

13. She's an independent woman

She doesn't look virginal, earth mothery or grandmotherly, so she's threatning in some poeple's eyes. She wears pants. She's direct and a maybe a bit abrasive in some people's eyes. She worked outside the home, and her marriage is imperfect and unconventional.

She's a social conservative's nightmare, and most seniors fairly conservative on social issues. We have to keep the senors happy, they're just about the only group you can safely count on for a good turnout.

[screembloodymurder]

20. Hillary is "their" candidate, not ours.

Every right-wing radio station in the country is pushing for Hillary to get the democratic nomination. Bloomberg brings it up daily.

Ask yourself, why? She's not our candidate, she's their "pick" for us.

Because they know she can't win and just the mention of her name energizes the republican base. Don't fall for their crap.

[BillZBubb]

22. I'm not falling for any crap.

You didn't answer the question: Why is she so polarizing to non-wingnut voters?

From my perspective, she's done nothing out of the mainstream EVER. Even her health care plan was pretty vanilla, middle of the road--although the propaganda stated otherwise. She's actually fairly conservative on many issues.

[0007]

25. Since when did the right wing know anything?

....and who in God's name wants to listen to every right wing radio in the country and their two for a nickle and one for a dime bullshit?

I'll vote for Hillary along with 60% of the rest of REAL Americans.

[TheWraith]

34. Reframe it.

Put another way, they use her name to rile up the base because the far-right is so afraid of her.

[Clark2008]

26. Simple - she's female and we're at war.

As a female, it bothers me that this country is still so patriarchal, but it is and there are many moderates who won't vote for a female while we're at war. Period.

Besides, the corporate media has had 13 years to turn her into a pariah.

[Dunedain]

32. Because she

has the audacity to think for herself

/sarcasm off/

[Quixote1818]

8. Those numbers are not that bad???? Those are normal numbers?

Those are typical numbers for any state for any Democratic candidate. Polls said that 47% would definitely not vote for Bush before the election. That meant the swing voters were around 6%. Bush got 4 out of 6 of those swing voters and won. I bet you 40% of Ohio voters would Definitely vote against Bush or Frist or who ever. It's the 20% in the middle who decide the winner. All Hillary has to do is get 51%.

[AP]

11. A reminder of MI, VA, and OH primary results:

MI (7 February 2004)
Kerry, John F. 84,818 51.8%
Dean, Howard 27,025 16.5%
Edwards, John 21,905 13.4%
Sharpton, Alfred C. "Al" 11,404 7.0%
Clark, Wesley K. 10,955 6.7%
Kucinich, Dennis J. 5,258 3.2%
Gephardt, Richard "Dick" 951 0.6%
Lieberman, Joe 659 0.4%
Uncommitted 497 0.3% 27. 17.4%
Moseley Braun, Carol 189 0.1%

VA (10 February 2004)
Kerry, John F. 204,129 51.5%
Edwards, John 105,489 26.6%
Clark, Wesley K. 36,566 9.2%
Dean, Howard 27,634 7.0%
Sharpton, Alfred C. "Al" 12,863 3.2%
Kucinich, Dennis J. 5,013 1.3%
Lieberman, Joe 2,865 0.7%
LaRouche, Lyndon H., Jr. 1,042 0.3%
Gephardt, Richard "Dick" 580 0.1%

OH (2 March 2004)
Kerry, John F. 641,487 51.8%
Edwards, John 421,992 34.0%
Kucinich, Dennis J. 113,045 9.1%
Dean, Howard 31,328 2.5%
Lieberman, Joe 14,852 1.2%
Clark, Wesley K. 12,680 1.0%
LaRouche, Lyndon H., Jr. 4,062 0.3%

[Floogeldy]

14. The less you adopt Limbaugh's philosophies . . .

. . ., the less polarizing Hillary will be to you.

Turn off the right wing radio and step away from the dark side. You're too vulnerable.

[Clark2008]

28. I never listen to Rush. I don't watch Faux News

However, I do talk to my neighbors (who didn't vote for Bush) and I know what they're saying: no to Hillary.

[anarchy1999]

16. Maybe we are all being told "she cannot", because "they" already know

she can.

Tin Foil everyone, to the ready! Hats, doors, walls, windows and all drains (in/out)! Duct tape maybe too. Hillary is at the door.

[LiberallyInclined]

29. ummmm...yeah...right....

:eyes:

[mitchtv]

17. I'll vote for her if

she gets the nomination-it depends in the primary who else is running. But hell , I'm in the largest Dem state, we are not allowed to decide. The itsy bitsy red states are given the choice. We get stuck with the backwoods' decision. Then again I don't listen to the RW. some states won't vote for any dems, and they're making the decisions.

[HamdenRice]

18. Hillary is NOT polarizing -- She is just plain hated ...

by Democrats and republicans alike. If she were polarizing, then here effect on the electorate would be to split it, Dems from repugs, or left from right.

She just rubs many people the wrong way, including me, and I'm a NY Democrat.

The main reason I dislike her is that she stands for absolutely nothing except her own ambition.

Also, I will never, ever forget the health care reform fiasco, which was entirely her fault. The problem with health care is the insurance companies. They oppress both patients and doctors. So what did Hillary do? She creates a super secret reform process that includes ONLY insurance companies and excludes doctors and patient advocates. Those are her instincts.

I will definitely get involved in local political action in NY to make sure she does not win the NY primary.

[BillZBubb]

23. Your comments on the health care process are not true.

Many patient advocates were involved. I'm not sure of the participation of doctors. It certainly wasn't ONLY insurance companies.

If ONLY insurance companies were involved, why did the insurance companies lead the fight AGAINST the plan?

[Mythsaje]

33. Don't like Hillary

I would have to agree that Hillary serves her own ambition first. I don't trust her. Simple as that. If it came down to a choice between Hillary and one of the Neo-con apes, I'd choose her, but I'd hate myself in the morning.

[hollowdweller]

19. Hillary needs to log in more time as a senator before she runs.

I think she needs to be in office long enough for her actual record and views to become well known. Also actually we need Democrats who are good senators and can hold onto their seats as much as we need a democratic president.

[yankeedem]

24. A long Senate career is a negative

There is more on the record for the other side to attack. The reason that * got close enough to steal it in 00 was that he had absolutely no record on anything to be attacked.

[AmericanErrorist]

21. Just because 26% of those polled

might have to think over Hillary doesn't mean she would be doomed.

Only 500 voters?! That better be representative!

[Jamison]

27. She would do no better than Kerry did in '04.

I think she would take a lot of states that Kerry took. However, we need a candidate in '08 that can turn some of the red states on '04 to blue in '08. You think Hillary could ever take Texas, Missouri, Indiana, Georgia, etc.? If so then you're living in a fantasy world.

[bush_is_wacko]

30. Leave Hillary in NY. She seems to be doing a good job for them

At least they think so. I agree, she is too polarizing and I think there is legitimate reason for that, but I DO think she can accomplish a great deal as NY lifetime Senator. In that position she can stick around as long as they need her and any Dem president can always give her an appointment where she can utilize whatever skills she's best at!

I would go for Boxer over Hillary any day. Just think she is a better candidate for THAT position. I'm not sure that is the ultimate woman to run for pres either though. I haven't made up my mind with regard to that yet. We have some damn fine women in this party and I'd like to give them ALL a long hard look before I commit to getting one elected. Same with the men by the way. I honestly don't think we need to discriminate with that regard as a party. May the best CANDIDATE win the nomination......AND THE WHITE HOUSE......

PLEASE!!!!

:kick:

[fujiyama]

35. With Hillary

you get all the negatives of running a candidate who people think is a socialist, but in reality would be the farther to the right than either Kerry or Gore.

I see no advantage in running her. She's not well liked. Not only that, but she's not very liberal.

Hey, if we're goin to run a freakin centrist, I'd rather have a chance in winning. I don't see it happening with Hillary.

[cap]

36. so what if anyone is polarizing...

anyone who really speaks for the people WILL be polarizing.

We just have to mobilize our base and expand it. Forget about likability per se... We get a candidate who really looks out for people and they will just "likable" enough.