The Constitutional Restoration Act lets * off the hook for war crimes

[wtmusic]

let's take a closer look...

"the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an agent of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official or personal capacity), concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government."

and the second part:

"In interpreting and applying the Constitution of the United States,
a court of the United States may not rely upon any constitution, law,
administrative rule, Executive order, directive, policy, judicial
decision, or any other action of any foreign state or international
organization or agency, other than English constitutional and common
law up to the time of the adoption of the Constitution of the United
States."

Both are punishable by impeachment.

The key phrase of the first part is "the acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government", an interpretation of which would imply that the Bible supercedes the Constitution.

Justice Robert Jackson, acting judge for the Nuremburg trials, said "What we propose is to punish acts which have been regarded as criminal since the time of Cain and have been so written in every civilized code." The second part of the essentially frees the Bush administration from not only existing treaties we have made (such as the UN Charter) but also war crimes charges which may arise from the Iraq war at an international tribunal such as Nuremburg.

:wtf: This shit has to be stopped.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

1. It isn't going to get anywhere.

More bullshit grandstanding for the fundies.

[LdyGuique]

2. Thanks for the followup to my other posting

As a followup -- The Constituional Restoration Act is still in committee(s) and has two notable elements:

1) To allow religion to be introduced into official public life (an end to separation of church and state); and
2) As noted above -- to disregard all international treaties or international law. This was tirggered partially by Kennedy noting international law and the worldwide community's stance on execution of minors. Bush pulled us out of the International community at The Hague when he took office because he didn't want any jurisidiction that could try any American for war crimes (guess he knew where he was heading).

The bill numbers are:
H.R. 1070
S. 520

[Kerrytravelers]

3. There is so much going on that we're unaware of.

I fully expect them to try and quietly shuffle this one past us, too. And we all know the corporate media won't be reporting on it.

[FreedomAngel82]

19. Of course

They'll of course have the media involved in something else. I read in another thread with news that Blair was saying how the Iraq war might've broke international laws. Why is he saying that if he's on Bush's side? I know he has an election coming up so he's probably just trying to save his own ass.

[applegrove]

4. **** off with your graphic. Show some empathy. Lieberman and

other Israeli fans are at a crossroads and you cannot expect them to vote exactly as you would want. Lieberman votes as a democrat on many, many issues.

The GOP has been targeting him as a flip.. so they can get a percentage of Floridians and New Yorkers to follow.

Not everyone grew up with the same apple pie security that Christians and their descendants have had in the USA. There are great Americans who have had other experiences. The USA was the most anti-semitic place in the first 40 years of the 20th Century.

People like Lieberman know that things change. They desperately want Israel and that has been the policy of the USA government for 60 years.

So don't blame Lieberman for being himself and voting his conscience.

Living in a democracy means that you do not control the actions and the needs of people who have a different life experience than you. But you hope there is enough empathy between you all that you get together and vote during election.

Lieberman record on Civil Rights is very Democratic. His actions now are predictable.

The Repukes and the Rovbots are the ones who insist everyone in their party has to be of one mind. That is what makes them fascist assholes. You have nothing to learn from the behavior of the GOP and the adolescent attacks they make (adolescent because they don't feel any responsibility or empathy with the people who they attack - unlike adults would).

We will only overcome by reaching out with empathy and not giving away empathy.

Lieberman represents a part of America that wants a long and stable peace in Israel. It is American policy. And, a long lasting peace in Israel & Palestine would be a good thing. At least it would be better than war or dis-enfranchisement of Palestinians. I don't like the radical settlers. I doubt Lieberman loves them.

He is on a different 'trip' than you.

Don't use him as a scapegoat for all you anger at the WH. We need all of our leaders and all of our democrats. We need our empathy.

You give that up and start attacking your own leaders ... when they have a right to their world view... you destroy the Democrats and the big tent.

If you give up your empathy.. you have looked too long into the eyes of Cheney or Rove and you have been danced outside of your own dam adulthood and liberal self.

I don't know what the solution is in Palestine. It does not concern me or my family. I am not in a vulnerable position regarding the WH position on Israel. I have the luxury of not making any deals or dealing with the WH. Joe has none of these things in common with me. His thing is compassion. That is how he works. He is like a nun who would appeal to a rebel leader in the jungle by using love. Not what I would do (I think I would call in the calvary). But who knows.. it may work a bit. Clinton too seems to be trying to reach out to Bush. Perhaps they are desperate to bring Bush back from the brink of destroying everything.

We do not know. We should not be surprised at joe's 'trip'. It would be expected. Don't applaud or commend his actions. Criticize them all you want. But please do not dehumanize. We are better than that.

[mmonk]

5. What happens when his trip

interfere's with a few constitutional guarantees to liberty?

[applegrove]

8. That is bad. Most of the congress voted to suspend liberty after

9/11. The Canadians did the same thing when Quebec exploded (they suddenly rejected the tribalism that had kept them down for hundreds of years) and terrorists resulted in one population of Quebec. Canada instituted the War Measures Act and thousands of people were arrested without seeing lawyers. Went on for months or a year.

Pierre Elliot Trudeau instituted it after two people were kidnapped, one was murdered and mailbox bombs were going off in Quebec and had killed at least one person. We all know Pierre Elliot Trudeau was very liberal and interested in a 'just' society. He was considered a socialist by Nixon. Pierre Trudeau like those before him refused to torture Cuba.

But when the people are in danger, governments institute suspension of laws. (It happened in WWII too).

The problem is how far the Patriot Act went and how long it has been in place. And how the fear of terrorism is being used to pull the wool over American eyes and get them to vote for someone who wants to bankrupt the government and destroy the democracy in favor of an elite run system.

Good people can vote for the suspension of rights during times of War. But they should not exploit and re-traumatize like Bush is doing. The number of freeper & rovbots who go to the bulletin boards and torture the Democratic conspiracy theorists (who are people in shock still) - well that is criminal.

[mmonk]

17. He also wanted

to restart the group looking into unAmerican activities. Remember that witchhunt?

[applegrove]

18. Nixon wanted to restart it? Who are we talking about? Cause Trudeau

was blacklisted by the USA in the 1950s and had to gingerly find out if it could be lifted as he went from professor to politician in Canada. Which the Americans 'kindly' did in the 1960s.

[mmonk]

24. Lieberman

[applegrove]

27. Link? n/t

[wtmusic]

7. Of course Lieberman has the right to his fascist, asshole worldview

so "his thing is compassion" (excuse me while I lose lunch. :puke:) The problem is not that I have lost empathy but that Lieberman has--when he supports the invasion of a sovereign nation against all known international law.

AFAIAC Joe can hang with the rest of 'em, and kiss my ass in the meantime.

[applegrove]

10. But everybody voted for that war. They were fooled into going to

war for pre-emptive precedent setting reasons. Those have been proved wrong. That does not mean that the UN should not have gone in to take out Saddam for Human Rights reasons. 50,000 people were starving a year under sanctions. Saddam was their creep.

I don't think it is fair to pick on Joe Lieberman as the only Israeli Hawk. Kerry & Biden & others also voted that way.

Why don't you attack them all?

[wtmusic]

12. Kerry voted because they lied about WMDs

Joe says we still did the right thing. Big difference.

[burn the bush]

14. Lieberman needs to run as a rupug. He is obviously more in their camp

than ours. He needs to go.

[MisterP]

15. if we attack Lieberman we destroy the party?

[applegrove]

16. If we attack certain leaders - for voting their own reality - yes we

attack our own dam selves.

Who is to say that a permanent peace in the Middle East is only going to happen they way they are going for it now.

Who wants the war in Palestine to go on for 100 years. Certainly not the people in Palestine or Israel.

For sure Sharon is a big creep (and a big hero of Bush).

We don't need to dehumanize. We should not attack the leaders of disparate groups in a dehumanizing way. We should criticize.

We are not brown-shirts. We have nothing to copy about the behavior of Bush followers and freepers and rovbots.

[Initech]

6. This bill is very scary.

And if this passes, we'll turn into a theocracy. I'm not going to let that happen.

[applegrove]

11. The bill seems so scary to me that I cannot read anymore. n/t

[EFerrari]

9. That vibration you feel is Madison spinning in his grave.

Isn't there something in English Common law about drawing and quartering traitors?

[wtmusic]

13. Yes, but of course they'd be sent to Gitmo for that n/t

[forgethell]

20. Nobody on the American side

is going to go to a war crimes trial at an international tribunal. Not now, not ever, regardless of the fate of this particular act. It is silly to even think so.

[thecai]

21. IMPEACH BUSH NOW

....before he does anymore damage to America.
It is our duty as American Citizens to protect The Constitution.
(My last post stating this was removed, I know not why).

[thecai]

22. BUSH; Above The Law?

I don't think so.
"America; Hold Bush Accountable For His Crimes, Misconduct, and/or Corruption".

[renaissanceguy]

26. Let's win back the House

and then I'm sure it'll get done.



http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.21272075

[thecai]

23. kick n/t

[Wizard777]

25. This is a legislative attack upon the Constitution.

The only way that shit will float is if Bush stacks SCOTUS with Justices that will ignore the Constiution to up hold the act. That raises the Antee on blocking his nomination. Nwo it's all costs. The act need to be brought to the foreground for public inspection and education to the implication. Considering the language of the act combined with Bush's delegation and envoy to the sovereign state of Vatican City. We need to start discussing treason. Is Bush trying to absolve our UN membership to deliver us to the jurisdiction of the Vatican?

By the way do you have an HR # on that?