Bolton hearing Part 2

[katinmn]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3506143&mesg_id=3506143&page=

[Deb]

1. Thank you!

How did I miss it?

[katinmn]

2. just did it. The last was was getting really looooooooong

[CottonBear]

11. Thanks. Dialup DUers really thank you!

:)

Biden speaking now...if tied it stays in committee. Did I hear that right? "...the person making the motion needs the majority."

[Oreo]

3. You may want to just change it to a 2

your subject shows Part 11 which I'm guessing you were going for an II

You're gonna send people frantically looking for the other 9 threads!

[katinmn]

10. ok

[napi21]

4. Sen. Allen R-Va is afraid they don't have the votes to pass!

He's asking for postponment, I think.

[jojo54]

5. The Repugs are afraid

Allen's trying to establish a time limit for a continuence (spell?)

[Skidmore]

9. They want to twist arms in private.

[Jo March]

14. Ugh. I fear you're right nt

[realFedUp]

6. Biden says there can be a vote to report him out without recommendations

Biden says there's a good chance
Bolton would stay in committee
with a number of tie votes.

[Jo March]

7. Kick for the new thread!

The other one was getting quite long.

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. VOINIVICH has FLIPPED!!

This just in from LBN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1406418&mesg_id=1406418

[realFedUp]

12. Dodd suggests maybe calling Bolton back in to testify

to the new allegations.

[CottonBear]

17. Oh boy! This is getting good!

:woohoo:

[Jo March]

23. I know! This is so much better than I had hoped!

:woohoo: :applause: :bounce:
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[katinmn]

20. they should also bring in some of his accusers

If the Senators listen to the staff and let them testify, they will gain their undying loyalty and they'll start speaking out more.

Just think of it...

[Misskittycat]

13. This is a must-watch. Dems are kicking ass. n/t

Also, hell must be freezing over; Voinovich is asking for more info on Bolton and bucking Lugar's press for an immediate vote.

[realFedUp]

18. Must Cspan TV

:-)

[realFedUp]

15. Lugar pulls out the consideration for the nominee and pResident

the consideration for we the people in
this country and the world override
the nominee's consideration IMHO

[eleny]

16. walk away from the tv a minute and i missed out!

i thought they were about to vote and now things changed on a dime! i better go look at the part 1 thread!

[realFedUp]

21. the vote tied now because of Voinovich

[eleny]

33. thanks!

[G_j]

24. never would have happened if the Dems hadn't taken a solid stand n/t

[realFedUp]

19. joint staffs meet on any interviews.....Biden suggests

[walldude]

22. Man, I hope they re-run this tonight,

I can't get it to stream at work...

[babylonsister]

25. .

[Pithy Cherub]

26. The republican majority is in a state of disarray!

The mepublicans have been cowed! Is is just me but are they looking exceptionally red-faced at how this has gone? :blush:

The Dems put on a political virtuoso performance today - please let thme must the ability to continue!

[Jo March]

28. Oh yeah! there are going to be some unhappy repub leaders

Hee! Hee! Let them eat their own, I say.

Go Dems!!!

[Pithy Cherub]

39. The Dems have made a strong showing

and the mebpublicans are now going to do a post mortem that is embarrassing. :rofl:

Be Well Arnheim! :pals:

[Jo March]

94. Thank you, Pithy Cherub!

I appreciate that. :)

I am so enjoying having our Democratic leaders stand up for what is right.

:hug: to you!

[AuntiBush]

62. They're eating crow. It's not just you.

Shew. Dem's really stood their grounds, adamently! Wow! This is one everyone has to see. Hope C-Span replays.

[realFedUp]

27. Two more weeks until another recess....

Biden's asking for more time....
it looks like Lugar is going to
give this more time...
hmmmmm.

[realFedUp]

34. Chair will set a date after the April recess....

work with all members to have an
examination of witnesses who have
more info....
will return to continue this business
meeting and vote.
Includes the possiblity of Bolton
be asked to come back to testify.

[napi21]

29. Uh Oh, Lugar is going to concede to a postponement.

He asked for a date certain for a final vote, and Biden agreed.

[babylonsister]

30. The guy behind Lugar looks really worried-I wonder what

he's sweating it for.

[Jo March]

35. They're going to get punished by Rove

They didn't do their job for Rovie Boy.

:spank:

[Jo March]

31. Arrgh! I have to leave to go and catch the bus in a few minutes!

Drat it all! Hope something happens in the next few minutes.

[katinmn]

a continuation after the April recess

possible Bolton might be asked to return.

Boy, Luger seems shaken.

[Beaverhausen]

32. I can't believe what I'm seeing/hearing

Lugar seems very upset.

Thank goddess for Barbara Boxer!!! She's the one who put a fire under the rest of the dems!

[Jo March]

40. She has motivated them and shown them how to lead

I love her! And Kerry and Obama and the others speaking out today!

I'm going to buy thank you cards and hand write thank you notes!!

[LittleClarkie]

74. Oh, I think Kerry hates Bolton enough not to need motivation from anyone

Proud of all our Dems today.

[realFedUp]

41. Lugar did a 180.....

he was pushing hard for a vote and then
only when Voinovich spoke up and there
was clearly going to be a tie, he pulled
back agreeing to more time to investigate
allegations of Bolton

[realFedUp]

42. Committee dismissed

well, that was entertaining.

[babylonsister]

50. Soooo transparent! Loving it!

[chelsea0011]

36. I just don't get it

Why are repubs so nuts about keeping this nomination going? If there is one they should just let die, this is it. Pulling his nomination will get better PR than standing by this loser. And is this George Allen related to the grat Coach Allen?

[Oreo]

48. Bush and company want Bolton in

they have to follow their leaders. We all know Bush never admits to making a mistake and this instance would be no different.

[immoderate]

59. Just look at him!

It's the son.

--IMM

[LittleClarkie]

73. I think it's also to show political power

that's why all the smirking, teaching Dems a lesson.

Karmic boomerang back attcha fellas.

[Mandate My Ass]

37. Dodd: To get done properly. Suggest calling Bolton back

before committee. Will be gone on recess. We can reset the date to explore all of these issues. If decision to bring him back, this is a reasonable request to check allegations. We should vote on these matters.

Lugar: THe chair is trying to entertain a motion but at end of the trail motion would need some certainty the committee would meet to have a vote. I'm hopeful that is the understanding we have that members are willing to vote on this nominee. I think we owe the nominee and the pres that consideration.

Kerry: when and under what circumstances? We can take a vote. Better to move by consensus. Move to call Bolton if needed and staff can pursue allegations. Once explored we're willing to vote.

Lugar: how much more investigation?

Dodd: I'm talking about that week we get back. we're leaving it up to you.

Biden: You set the date when we get back and investigation done by joint staff, majority and minority and it'll become self-evident whether he needs to come back. We could make a motion. That comes to majority vote. If we have exhausted this, and the conflicting allegations, we want to hear Botlon's POV.

Dodd: Concern about running out the clock. We urge you to ask State to be cooperative.

Biden: State could provide, staffers are cleared to go down an dlook and it gets put to bed immediately. I'm problably still going to vote against him. It wasn't until your (lugar) letter on Thurs that got STate dept to respond to requests we had in for over a month. If we do it jointly....

Lugar: ASk ranking member fi he would agree on dates of completion of various phases...

Biden: Answer is yes. Let's assume some outrageous charge...the certainty of dates...I'm prepared to agree on that right now and prepared to say any day you suggest when we come back from that recess I commit to it.

Boxer: Make sure state dept cooperates.

Lugar: Have a proviso. I hpe members within reason take State and CIA as professionals.

Biden: State dept denying us access to intercepts, they have not been reasonable.

Lugar: Ask unanimous consent for a date after April recess for final business meeting that we'll try our best to attend, work diligently, examine witnesses and offer add'l information, from State and CIA to be coooperative, understand the gravity, and return to have continuation of this meeting and be prepared to vote.

Kerry: that includes possibility of Sec'y Bolton returning.

Lugar: yes, he might be asked.

Biden: or be able to ask him written questions in lieu of that.

[eleny]

45. thanks! on top of it all, my sound was out

my cable sound was going in and out - so i sure appreciate your taking the time to post these exchanges.

[Jo March]

46. Biden "I'm probably still going to vote" against him? WTF?

I hope that he's just posturing! :mad:

[katinmn]

49. still probably going to vote against Bolton

Well, he isn't very good about keeping his cards close to his chest but he did good today.
:)

[babylonsister]

38. The 'possibility' of Bolton testifying? I don't like that;

why couldn't they just agree on his testifying?

[katinmn]

43. Yeah, what's with that? If he wants the job, he needs to show

[DefenseLawyer]

91. You realize he already testified, right?

They are talking about the possibility of recalling him to answer questions about the new allegations and some of the obvious lies in his prior testimony. I love the smell of perjury in the morning... smells like defeat!

[Oreo]

44. So Biden agreed to vote on a date to be determined after the April break

Should more come up about that slimeball Bolton, there's nothing forcing the Dems from postponing the vote again if they need to. The repubs are obviously trying to fasttrack him to keep more from coming out. Now the Dems have 2 weeks to get more evidence to add to the mountain that's already been uncovered.

When was the last time something good like this happened??

[Jo March]

47. HOORAY! This is a victory, folks!

Way to go, Dems! Way to go, DU!

Thank you, Mandate My Ass for the great transcription services!

This is so great! It feels good. I'm going to savor this on the bus ride home.

[Mandate My Ass]

51. No problem

I enjoyed myself. The garbled parts are when I could tell Lugar was about to swallow his tongue in fear and I had to pause to look up. :hi:

[CottonBear]

58. Thanks! Great work and quick fingers!

BTW, love your screen name. :)

[Mandate My Ass]

63. hee hee ... thanks, it's my modest tribute to Lizz Winstead

I miss her, dammit. :cry:

[CottonBear]

70. I miss her (and ChuckD) too!

:cry:

Rachel Maddow has a show on for one hour really early each morning.

[loudsue]

64. Adding my thanks, too, Mandate!! Great job!

I did get to watch it, and you've done a great job of transcribing, such that it really reflected what went on!

:applause: Thanks! :applause:

:kick:

[katinmn]

52. It was an exceptional job by the Dems. they stuck together.

Have a nice trip home!

[G_j]

53. finally a "strategy" that gets results

standing up and not rolling over

they ought to stick with it

[Mandate My Ass]

55. Yeah! What G_J said

That was a thing of beauty to watch and listen to. :toast:

[G_j]

61. and thank you!

your transcriptions make these threads understandable for others who missed it!

[Mandate My Ass]

67. No problem, I can't wait till round two

I hope my boss will be out of the office that day too. }(

[NYC]

92. Thank you very much, Mandate My Ass.

I didn't get to watch it, so your transcription was extremely informative. Thank you, thank you, thank you. :hi:

[katinmn]

56. They were impressive. I liked how Dodd started off so calm

and by the time he wrapped up he was in a full blown rant.

Then it was Biden's turn.
:rant:

Kerry's always cool but he didn't pull any punches, either. Corrected Coleman on the purpose of the committee. I loved it.:)

[CottonBear]

65. Exactly what did Kerry say to Coleman?

I missed that part. Waht is the real purpose of a senate committee like this? I'm no expert on the Senate.

[katinmn]

69. Kerry said: The purpose is to gather the facts and discuss

and then make a decision, not to push it through.

Coleman was playing the but Bush wants this nominee and he has all the credentials, blah, blah, blah. He also called the staff allegations "heresay." I think that really irritated John Kerry.

[immoderate]

66. Sarbanes was good too.

Twicw when Lugar called for a vote, he gently inquired why the vote must be taken just then.

--IMM

[Guaranteed]

54. Voinovich is in BIG TROUBLE.

He's gonna get a stern talking-to.

They coulda had Bolton out of committee and the worst of it by now if it wasn't for him.

[katinmn]

57. he's probably already getting a chewing from Rove

maybe even the chimp himself.

[pgh_dem]

71. Crazy idea on why Voinovich jumped ship...

Anybody else think maybe V did this to bail out Chafee on an extremely unpopular vote? V just won reelection, right? He can take a little asswhuppin from the WH...Chafee can't afford to get the WH looking for a (PA 04 vs Specter) Toomey-like primary opponent, but also can't afford to look like WH lackey voting for such an asinine nominee. V steps in, takes the hit, maybe WH feels too much heat on this and pulls Bolton nomination in the meantime, Chafee off the hook.
Just thinkin maybe a little backscratching going on?

[blm]

79. That was my thinking, too. 2004 was V's last election and he has nothing

to lose at this point by doing the right thing for a change. He won't be running again.

[dsc]

81. Have you heard that somewhere

I would love it to be true but can't figure out why it would be. He isn't very old and he isn't ill.

[blm]

82. Might surprise you to learn I'm from the Cleveland area,

and Voinovich was a regular customer of mine in a certain dept. at Higbee's downtown where I had my first job some years before I moved on to LA/NY.

I also have a cousin married to one of the top tier at the Plain Dealer.

[dsc]

83. Wonder what department

I have heard some whacko rumors over the years about him. In any case, I am glad you have some reasonable inside knowledge here. Senator Brown anyone.

[blm]

84. heheh...if I say what dept, he'd know who I am.

I'm good looking now but imagine what I looked like at age 19.

[dsc]

85. So much for the rumors I heard

[blm]

97. Not necessarily.....

At that time, I was very athletic and had a build similar to a slender male, narrow hips, well-developed muscles. I even turned the heads of a number of bi/gay men. (Traxx...heheh)

[dsc]

98. that would fit as he was supposedly into 'chicken'

[hvn_nbr_2]

86. Here's another twist on your "crazy" idea

When I heard that Hagel was expressing doubts as well as Chafee, I concluded that Bolton was almost definitely going down. It seems unlikely that Hagel would be publicly expressing doubts at this point if he wasn't leaning strongly that way. Well, maybe Rove reached the same conclusion and decided to let Chafee off the hook with his constituents in order to keep a Pug seat.

Those additional hearings where Kerry and the other Dems plan to confront Bolton with his lies to the committee--I don't think they'll ever happen. The nomination will be withdrawn.

[Laurab]

88. Could be - although I'd like to think 1 or 2 of them have a conscience

it's doubtful that that's the case. It's more likely to be some kind of political thing like you mentioned. Chafee was EXTREMELY quiet, and V kind of came out of nowhere to say what he said. Chafee seems to be in a very vulnerable position right now.

Really the only repukes who spoke out in defense of Bolton, besides Lugar, were Coleman and Allen, both of whom make me physically ill. Lugar I find myself feeling sorry for, although I'm not exactly sure why. I sometimes wonder exactly what type of pressure bushco puts on these people - it must be really scary. He just looked like an old, terrified man.

I was proud of all the dems today. I hope they keep it up!

[loudsue]

60. Did you see JOHN KERRY salivating over the prospects of

having Bolton come back to testify? Kerry is ready to make mincemeat out of Bolton for LYING to the committee! Bolton purjured himself by the lies he told the committe, and Kerry is ready to POUNCE! The Dems are going to use this time during the postponement to make one helluva case!

:woohoo::applause::bounce: GO KERRY!!! :kick::woohoo::applause:

:kick:

[Jo March]

95. Can they get him for perjury?

I hope they take Bolton down. Kerry needs to finish this guy off. He's a bully and a sleaze and doesn't deserve this position. He deserves prison stripes!

Dang it! We need a prisoner smilie!

:bounce: for Kerry and our Dems!

[tex-wyo-dem]

68. Way to go Dems!!!

Excellent!!! Keep it up!!

And thanks everyone for keeping us cube-rats in the know.

Another reason Lugar was trying to fastrack Bolton through is the cabal needs to keep their time-line on attacking Iran -- Bolton to strongarm the UN.

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. Thank you everyone for the great posts! We won????!!!!

Hot damn! Please, please, please let this replay so I can see the end of it!!! Finally! A win for us. Thanks to Voinavich? UNREAL! :bounce:

[Daphne08]

75. What I saw today? What I saw today is what

our democracy is all about, and I'm very proud of it.

Today transcends politics. It goes to the very heart of our republic!

It's the reason we have DO have "Checks and Balances" and the reason that they should always be protected. I really do believe this afternoon will go down in the history books.

And yes, I'm very proud of the firm stand our Democrats took on this!

As Senator Kerry stated, these Committee hearings and meetings are about debate and about providing a record-- and today could have set a dangerous precedent for the future.


...and another thing. I LOVE my country! I was just telling my husband about all this on the phone, and I'm not embarrassed to say it. I love my country. :patriot:

[Jo March]

96. I feel the same way, Daphne08!

I love my country. When our government works, it's the most beautiful thing in the world. THIS is how it's supposed to work - checks and balances!

I love my country. I'm proud of my Democratic leaders today.

:patriot:

[LSK]

76. link to transscript anyone??? CSPAN going to re-air tonite?????

Anyone?

[Daphne08]

77. I feel certain that they will air it on TV

or put it up on the C-span webpage.

[in_cog_ni_to]

78. Possibly at 8:00 ET...C-SPAN 1 or 2.

I HOPE! I missed the last half of it. I would LOVE to see it tonight.

[katinmn]

80. looks like they are re-airing it tonight.

http://www.c-span.org/

[malmapus]

87. LOL THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL!!!

OMG just watched it...wow that was quite intense and what an ending

[LSK]

89. That was great! Lugar looks like a moron

Hes so obsessed with getting the nomination through ASAP. How does this puke get to be a chairman of anything????

[Mr_Spock]

90. Bolton got a bolt - on up his arse.

HE is an evil bastard - he should be looked at more closely.

[DearAbby]

93. Yeeeeeeeah for the Dems today...Hope they realize what standing as a

block can do, this is great news. So proud of them. :applause: