Are you watching the Bolton hearing?????!!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

Boxer is trying to make a point of order (?) and Lugar won't let her. Biden said..."This place is unbelievable...stunning!" Boxer was screaming and trying to get her point of order and Lugar just shut her down.. This is UN-fucking-real!

C-SPAN 2.

[markdd]

1. Feed the Cube Rats!!!!!!!!!

Please!

[goodhue]

7. indeed

inquiring minds want to know

[maddezmom]

2. thanks for the reminder

just turned it on. What did I miss?

[AuntiBush]

99. Everyone Nominiate this for night crowd

[kerry-is-my-prez]

195. how do we do it? Do you have a link....

n/t

[wryter2000]

3. Wow.

I'm sorry I missed it.

[AuntiBush]

105. It's Un-Believeable! The Smirking from Repuks; Our Dems Holding Tight

Sad... sad.

[Pirate Smile]

4. Kerry was the one who said it was stunning. They are all shocked.

[AuntiBush]

109. Isn't it sad.... Our Dems are finally fighting back! Finally!

[Jo March]

165. I think that they are just now beginning to understand

the enormity of how deeply we are all fucked.

Better late than never, I say.

[jojo54]

5. Just declared recess until 6:30 pm

[SharonRB]

74. The committee is still going at it.

[Jo March]

6. kick

Lugar is an ass! Go get 'em, Sen. Boxer! You are our hero!

[Lucky Luciano]

8. What does the pope have to do with any of this?????

Just Kidding! :dunce:

:)

[glitch]

14. LOL! nt

[AuntiBush]

114. It's not funny.

No kidding here. This is a serious moment regarding our country.

[Lucky Luciano]

141. Yes you are right

Kill all humor now! There shall never be any!

Of course Bolton is a prick and the partisanship of the rethugs in terrible.

[AuntiBush]

145. If anyone is watching this right now... it's shocking, sick & sad

[dhinojosa]

252. Hey, I think your comment is inappropriate.

I don't particularly like posts that are intended to cause ill-will to someone trying to make a humorous post. If you don't think it's funny, fine, but it's just petty to crush someone because it satisfies your 'holier than thou' ego. Be the bigger person and let it go.

[Marnieworld]

9. What was stunning?

What is going on for those that can't watch?

[TayTay]

13. Lugar just slammed through a vote

that the Sente would not go into closed session to review additional and sensitive material on the Bolton nomination.

The Dems are well and truly pissed. Lugar just slammed it through on a party line vote. No closed session by a strict 10-8 party line vote.

[SmokingJacket]

30. Hope that "sensitive material" is the Townsel letter.

Dang, if they nominate this guy.... well, I guess our international reputation can't get much worse anyway.

[AuntiBush]

113. Sure Can't. We were voted most HATED country Int'l Yesterday.

At least our Democrats leaders are not going down without a true American fight... shew. Behind them 100 percent. This is the most dramatic and the Repuks... smirking, looking empti-headed. They don't care. If anyone is watching this you'd be proud of our Dems right now.

[SmokingJacket]

168. Glad to hear it.

I'm not watching, but if they're saving their ammo, now's the time to use it.

[Maraya1969]

238. What vote are you talking about? "Most hated country"

[in_cog_ni_to]

59. Lugar wouldn't let Boxer make her point of order.

He just cut her off and said, "NO!"

[jojo54]

10. Grandson had Blue's Clue's on

What did I miss???

<on edit> I just turned it on 'cause of the great thread started. I would have loved to see Boxer screaming at those freepers.

[Melodybe]

15. My sons have Blue Clues on right now

details, folks, details

puhlease

[Pirate Smile]

42. So does my daughter but luckily I have another TV.

:)

[uncle ray]

55. freeper headline of the day:

"more DUers get their news from BLUES CLUES than CSPAN!"

:evilgrin:

[bertha katzenengel]

75. AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

too damned funny :rofl:

[AuntiBush]

149. I'm sorry but this is a pivotal un-funny matter

[bertha katzenengel]

166. You mean . . . . it's NOT funny?!

:sarcasm:

Do you really think it's not okay to laugh to break up the tension, the nervousness, the fear brought on by the unbearable shit this worthless government is trying to shove down our throats?

BTW if that is your opinion, why be "sorry" about it? Be a Boxer! Be unafraid to express your opinion. Don't apologize for it.

[AuntiBush]

205. Hey Bertha... knock it off.

If you do not appreciate nor respect the significantly important aspects to what is going on, then I ask, "how old are you?"

"Asking a fellow Du if I'm afraid?"

You're "sarcasm" is not appreciated during an important issue Bertha Katzenegel. Matter-of-fact, rather disrespectful.

[Bunny]

250. Oh puh-leeze.

Get over yourself. :eyes:

[RetroLounge]

253. Stupid Fucking Post

RL

[bertha katzenengel]

257. Well, thanks, AntiBush.

I never realized that fellow liberals could in fact take themselves so seriously that they think other fellow liberals honestly don't understand the gravity of the situation we face in this government.

[Maraya1969]

247. OK let's not be funny - but did anyone notice

that Lugar's eyebrows look like HORNS? When he stands up I hope someone checks for a tail.

:hi:

[bertha katzenengel]

256. My grandfather's, my father's, and my nephews' do, too.

My G'father's scared the crap out of me. :hi:

[AuntiBush]

119. It's still going on... Our Dems are HEATED!

This is hot stuff. Our Dems are fighting BIG-TIME! In shock, debating, arguying and the REpuks are just sitting there, smirking, sneering, not saying a word. Our Dem's have had enough.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

11. There have been several allegations of sexual harrassment....

Biden brought it up.

[jojo54]

18. MORE, please!!

I need to digest all the info you DUer's can give.

[goodhue]

20. he was denied partnership at law firm because of being abusive

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1732764

[Pirate Smile]

21. not sexual - just harassment.

The woman whose letter was posted on Daily Kos is the harassment Biden was talking about.

[maddezmom]

33. oops, thanks for clearing this up

[The Witch]

12. Did you hear Kerry?

He was just screaming!

[TayTay]

He has just cause to hate Bolton

This goes back to Bolton in the Justice Department in the '80's and his obstructionof the investigation in Iran-Contra and drug running. Then Bolton got worse over the years. He is a bastard.

[Jo March]

24. What did Kerry say??

Please?

[Borgnine]

38. Kerry screaming?

Yowza, I'll have to catch a video clip of that somewhere.

[Norquist Nemesis]

16. Biden: "The idea that there is such a sense of urgency

is beyond me."

This is weird. They're all sitting around an oval table. Lugar said they're not going to go into closed session.

[maddezmom]

17. form this DU link: Bolton has had claims of sexual harrassment

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3506152

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Boxer..We had a motion before the committee and the shocking thing

is we can't have a discussion about this motion. She's pissed that he cut her off. Helms (Jessie) shut down debate 17 years ago, so Lugar wants to shut down debate on this motion. Lugar says he thinks the Dems will filibuster. Biden said this wasn't about the filibuster. The question is about whether Bolton tried to get people removed from their jobs. We may be creating a bigger problem by not doing what we normally would do...to debate the motion.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. Lugar..we weren't born yesterday and there's 10 Republicans here

who want to vote on this nominee. Kerry...Does this mean you don't care about what we know about Bolton? THIS IS GREAT!

[Norquist Nemesis]

29. Kerry: If you don't know what's come about since Mr. Ford

testified, you must be voting blind. Maybe that's what you WANT to do. (or words to that effect)

[yurbud]

62. WOW--too bad the dems didn't do this a couple of YEARS ago.

[Midlodemocrat]

22. You gotta love Barbara Boxer.

She was really going at it. Guts.

[maddezmom]

26. Kerry is doing a good job as well

wants the info out there so they won't be voting in the blind. I missed it, but looks like there may have been charges of sexual harrassment.

[Midlodemocrat]

80. I missed that too, I am trying to find a link for that.

[AuntiBush]

127. Biden, Kerry, Bolden, Boxer - WOW! Fighting - Kicking Now!

It is HOT HEATED and hope C-Span2 replays this for those getting home later. Biden has been going on and on... they are ANGRY and he just said, 'How can we look into the face of the Americans, the United States is.. shew, bad..." Bad to the world. No repuks care. Wow!

Biden, "We're setting us up for failure, you know, I served here w/Goldwater and so has Sarbanes..." "And Kerry, and a phrase we used, kidded about it, "In you're heart you know this guy is not right, you know in your heart ... follow your heart."

Now, Repuks are spekaing. They're not budging. Dems' are furious.

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. I love that woman! n/t

[The Witch]

25. Kerry kicks ass

"If you do not want to hear those new allegations, you're voting blind."

[blm]

And he looks so presidential WHILE he kicks ass. He's the thinkingperson's

president.

[The Witch]

48. The thinking person's president

indeed. Amazing that people don't want an intelligent person in the white house. Yeesh.

[CottonBear]

28. Is it being shown online? I can't get a link.

Help! Streaming video link please.

[The Witch]

31. c-span.org

Follow links to c-span3. You can watch or listen on real or windowsmedia.

[CottonBear]

41. Thanks. Nothing online now. Dammit, it's all over.

:(

[The Witch]

44. I'm listening to it right now!

are you sure you are listening to the right c-span?

[Pirate Smile]

46. It is on cspan2. Here

http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

try this http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan2_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[CottonBear]

124. Thanks! Got it. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. Try here?

http://www.c-span.org/

[kerry-is-my-prez]

35. I bet this will be repeated and a video will be on cspan too.

n/t

[SharonRB]

81. You can stream C-SPAN 2

[CottonBear]

118. Thanks! I found it.

For some reason, the main C-Span site doesn't link to the live video. It just says "nothing scheduled." Weird. I had to google CSpan2, live.

[Nite Owl]

32. I could smack that smirk off Allen's face

right now! What a smug bastard.

[Norquist Nemesis]

36. Completely Agree!!!

And they've been talking about him having a good chance in 08 as a candidate! :puke:

Boxer's rockin!!! :woohoo:

[AuntiBush]

142. Shew... Kerry just brought up KKKROVE then meant Ron Carl!

It's HOT! It's a Senate battle now. No turning back.

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. These people are unbelievably blatant in their power grab!

I cannot believe this! Allen SUCKS!

[SharonRB]

84. I just wish more people could see this

Our watching it is preaching to the choir -- more Republicans need to see it. The people need to rebel against this shit. It's so blatant. They make me :puke:.

[AuntiBush]

163. I think that's why SARBANES wants to wait till after 5:30!

Repuks are saying NO! Vote now! :puke: They're saying it's because of the death of the pope they must vote now... they don't want the American public to see it...


LUGAR just said, "The gig is over." Boxer is protesting and they Repuks smug her!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

43. He wants the allegations to be made public....

At first I thought he wanted a hearing ala Clarence Thomas BUT now it sounds like he wants to vote...

[AuntiBush]

158. Really. Smirking Chimp II - Smacked! Nice thought right now! OMG

This is un-fricked-real! Our Dems' are steamed!!!!!! People, if you read this later, find C-Span 2... OMG: THEY ARE CALLING FOR THE VOTE NOW - NO DEBATES FOR DEMS"!

Sarbanes: What is the "driving force," "I'm trying to understand with fairness and reason, w/committe rules is going out the window..."

They want to know what the rush, the push is and why they can't debate! Repuks are over-talking saying they want to vote NOW!

[DistressedAmerican]

39. "Abuse Of Power and Information Shutdown"- Boxer Kicking Lugar!

Thanks for getting my attention! Watching now!

[me b zola]

56. WOW!!! Dems lock step against abuse of power!!!

Maybe Democracy is NOT dead!!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

40. Wow! Did Allen just threaten Boxer?

You'll do this, and that will happen, and blah blah blah..."but this place leaks"...

[AuntiBush]

170. Sen Chuck HAGEL Nebraska says HE MIGHT VOTE Against BOLTON

Or did I hear this wrong?? He's a Repuk.

[Laurab]

249. You heard it right

edited to correct. He says he's not comfortable voting for him yet, but wants it out of the committee - not saying he'll vote for him in the senate though.

Wants to wait and see which way the wind is blowing, no doubt.

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. The rule....Dems want a private session...repukes don't...

If the discussion intends to disgrace an individual then the committee is suppose to go to private session.

This is all going to be exposed on national TV!

Why don't the repukes want to take this to a private session?

[Norquist Nemesis]

47. So civil servants and private individuals can be targets. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

51. Ah! I knew there had to be a SINISTER reason for it.

:grr:

[Pithy Cherub]

52. This is foreshadowing what is to come!

Dems being shown just how much fighting is in store. Biden & Dodd restrained but clearly angry.

[in_cog_ni_to]

54. How the hell do they refrain from

beating the shit out of those people???!!! :grr:

[Suziq]

241. Yeah - No Shit

I want to smash their faces through my computer! :grr:

[DistressedAmerican]

66. Is This The "Tipping Point" When Dems Get Some Spines?

I have been waiting for years for this party to strat acting like an opposition party. Please be the watershed!



Dodd "This ought to be indictable!"

Go Baby! Go!

[AuntiBush]

178. Agreed! Please, Let this be the BOILING POINT for the DEMS!

Another Sen George Voinovich, R Ohio is uncomfortable to vote for Bolton!!!!!! Our Dems are making some headway! Historical moments here folks.

[Jo March]

227. I agree, AuntiBush

This is a historical moment. One that we can look at and say, "There. Right there is when the Democratic party regained its heart and soul."

[AuntiBush]

251. You got it, armheim. This might be that Pivotal Moment

We've all been awaiting... historical is right. keeping fingers crossed, knocking on wood! I'll say this, it was something else. A must see!

[roguevalley]

49. Chaffee caved. He's voting for the prick.

[in_cog_ni_to]

53. BASTARD! n/t

[Nite Owl]

57. He's got to go.

RI needs a dem not a repuke that's not as bad as the rest. Just can't trust them. If they got an R and stick with that party there has to be a reason.

[TayTay]

61. I swear to Gawd

This Masshole will do anything for any RI Dem who stands a chance of getting rid of Chafee the spineless. Money, time, and effort in RI to get rid of Chafee. The Dems of RI have but to put out the request.

[G_j]

Chaffe has never opposed a Bush nomination

so I guess that is not a great surprise

I say keep calling his office anyway!

[Mandate My Ass]

50. Dodd: I rarely oppose nominees

It's rare for me to express obj to a nominee when it's strictly substantive disagreement. Goes to the heart of a serious question. Whether or not he disqualified himself over a period of years a pattern had developed. The damage Bolton has done to US intel to have two Intel analysts removed because they wouldn't clear language he wanted to use!!!!!

[blm]

68. Dodd and Feingold are not the type of Senators to vote against nominees.

It's part of who they are. It really has to be serious for either of them to vote against someone. I still wish Feinglod had voted against Ashcroft, but, ANY Bush pick would have done the same....ignore terrorism while concentrating on prostitutes in New Orleans.

[katinmn]

58. Dodd: "A chilling effect of Mr. Bolton's actions against the state dept."

Fired two intelligence analysts because they didn't comply with his political agenda.

Wow. That must be good for office morale.

[katinmn]

60. P.S. Dodd is really pissed!!

[me b zola]

70. Dodd, "This ought to be indictable, not promotable"

:kick:

[The Witch]

63. "This ought to be indictable!" n/t

[Mandate My Ass]

64. several diplomats have signed letters

opposing this nominations. Almost unheard of.

He is incapable of listening to people and taking into account their views. People in the same party making allegations.

To demonstrate how determined B was to remove CIA analyst. JB got into his car and drove to CIA and demanded he be removed from his job.

7 different people, including chief of staff of Bush admin.

Chilling effect Bolton had, you have to understand the DOS structure.
INR bureau does not report to JB. Mr. Finger stated in 2002 JB wanted him removed from WMD post.

Also Mr. Westerman. Five levels with no direct line to JB. Known to all of his colleagues he had chilling effect on those underneath.

Sec'y of state had to go apologize so it wouldn't happen again.

Should be indictable. Not a reason for promotion! I'm surprise this is not a crime!

[jojo54]

65. Damn, this is good stuff!

[Nite Owl]

67. Isn't it great to see

all the dems on the committee sticking together and fighting on this. Even if we lose the vote this is the way it's supposed to be.

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. Damn! I have to leave! Please keep posting

about what happens? I'm going to miss the rest. :cry:

[SunDrop23]

71. People tell me I'm crazy when I tell them

our democracy is dying fast.

This is bullshit.

[derby378]

72. WTF?!?

Bolton may have withheld info from SOS's Powell and Rice? Wow.

[Mandate My Ass]

73. Dodd: No right to be promoted!

Five additional allegations, on five different occasions...a pattern of abuse.

Mr Bolton attempted to have two additional analysts removed. non-proliferation. Harrassed staff. Went to length to reject request for maternity leave. Tried to have head of IAEA removed. For the life of me I don't understand how he's managed affairs, threatened analysts and others. At least delay a little bit. We ought to have this information. It's the precedent we set by doing this. It's what we say about how business is conducted. At a time when our intel has been brought into question. SOS made allegations that we now know are incorrect.

He has engaged in behavior all of us find appalling. Many witnesses to this. Listen and then determine whether he should be confirmed.

[alfredo]

154. didn't he target seven countries for invasion? Weren't those

countries also deemed enemies by the Likud Party.

[AuntiBush]

76. I'm PROUD of our DEMS on C-SPAN2 against BOLTON!

After watching how the Rethuglicans are acting right now on C-Span 2 against our Dems regarding Bolton's nomination, not giving our Dem's a chance, I will NEVER EVER VOTE REPUBLICAN in my life.

The Democrats, Kerry, Dodd, Biden, Boxer, my Sarbanes and Obama, you name it, they are angry,in shock and are being couragous standing up for all of us.

They have earned my respect forever. We need to let our Democrat leaders know, we're behind them 100 percent!

Apparently, 5 allegations isn't enough to go futher into closed-session and there are major patterns of abuse! Repuks say "NO!" They don't care. Between this and being sold-out by Repuks last night regarding voting fraud, not election fraud I say it again, never will I ever vote for a Repuk ever again! Trust me, everyone I know, including Republicans are fed-up. All they have left are nut-wing extremists filled with hypocracy and hatred. They are the true ANTI-American's, not us!

[AuntiBush]

86. REpuks are CUTTING off ALL DEBATES - DEMS are UPSET!

If anyone is watching this, it's SICKENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need to let our Democrats know, we're proud of them. I hope the night crowd reads this. It's heartbreaking... our Dem's are fighting courageously for us - Repuks are smirking at them and treating them like they don't care - regardless of all the evidence of other's saying Bolton is horrible... REpuks giving no consideration.

Our Dem's can't understand and have never seen anything like this; they're questioning, "why" is it so important to PUSH for this nomination when there is plenty of time.

Republicans are the RADICAL, EXTREMIST - they are the TERRORISTS like the McFay's in our society. People, it's Reds vs Blues for real, now. Terrible. Horrible. Never in all my years. If you're watching this, you know what I'm talking about.

Here this FREEPERS: We, as Dem's will now do all in my power to stand-up for Democrats, and make sure we overrule in 2006!

[katinmn]

77. Mentioned the lies about WMD to make the point that

they need more information, more time to discuss.

A bad precedent to push through the nomination.

[stopbush]

78. They should pull a RW - call a press conference

and air all of Bolton's dirty laundry that way.

The R's don't want a closed session? Fine. Then let's have a public airing.

[katinmn]

87. A press conference is absolutely in order!

Allen says that people can listen to the committee proceedings if they're interested.

These right wing senators forget that people have lives and jobs and can't afford to be full time watchdogs. But that's what we have to do.

Uggh

[realFedUp]

79. Lugar wants to cut off debate on Bolton

and wants a vote now.

[realFedUp]

82. Sarbanes wants more debate on Bolton

he said the Senate recessed for this
debate...Biden said a number of Senators
haven't had a chance to talk.

[realFedUp]

91. Biden listing list of conservatives against Bolton nomination

raises his voice

[Nite Owl]

85. Doesn't Lugar look nervous?

They aren't used to having the dems put up a fight!

[realFedUp]

96. I think he's got one of those Bushpacks on his back....

sends messages into his earpiece and
slight shocks....

[realFedUp]

100. Too bad some of this ire isn't present all the time on legislation

sigh.

[Pirate Smile]

98. They are voting for a slimeball and they know it. It is in public and

on the record.

[The Witch]

83. "We took MONTHS for Negroponte."

He shut them up with that. Who said it?I have audio only.

[jbond56]

89. Sen Sarbanes

[The Witch]

90. Tank Shoe Berry Mush! n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

88. Where does BushCo come up with these nominees???

It's downright scary.... It's like he purposefully goes out and finds the WORST people he can POSSIBLY find. Not only people who are way off the radar as far as their views on issues go but people who are downright shady and/or incompetent.

[Nite Owl]

97. That's his circle of friends.

[glitch]

197. Exactly. He doesn't have to look for them, they hangout together. nt

[Idioteque]

92. Jesus...Biden is pissed!!!! n/t

[AuntiBush]

93. See the Repuks Smirkin at Boxer & Kerry... No Professionalism

No dignity - this is not how our founding fathers would have acted. Wow, our Dem's are angry! Go Dems. They are standing-up for Americans and I've never been prouder... but this is another sad day in American history.

What happened to America? Where is my country? What happened to ethics?

[jbond56]

94. Sen Biden

He is on fire. Speaking with tons of passion. Very loud.

[tishaLA]

Few do righteous indignation as well as Biden

I just wish he did more well.

I'll take what I can get right now though.

[jojo54]

95. Biden's pissed!!

FINALLY, some b_lls on the Hill!!!

[katinmn]

102. You wouldn't even hire a staff member like Bolton

good points.

Bolton is up for an important position. He should be held to HIGHER standards than staff.

[realFedUp]

107. well, maybe people of moral standards wouldn't....

but the Bushes have their own standards...

[Nite Owl]

104. Hope this is rerun!

I want to tape this one. Finally the dems are standing up.

[jojo54]

111. Keep an eye out for the daily report each night here on DU

Hopefully it'll be listed if it's rerun. I would like to see it too, especially the part where Kerry and Boxer are screaming at the freepers.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

101. Wow Biden is on a rampage. There is complete silence, they're stunned.

You could hear a pin drop....

[Mandate My Ass]

103. Biden: I question his credibility

What he said he was attempting to do, it seems to me to warrant listening very carefully to his explanation. He said he was just on his way home, the CIA was on his way home. Turns out, he went out there in the morning. Maybe that's a minor thing but it doesn't comport with whether or not he was trying to take out Mr. Westerman.

As we got more testimony we found out he went back and back and back again. I suspect you respect the people who had these punitive actions taken. Dep. SEc. Armitage, Powell, dep sec MClaughlin, every single time Mr bolton asked to have something done about a subordinate, his entire career he was overruled.

His superiors stood by their employees. The sec'y of State said I stand by the analysts. Said a woman stole gov't papers. Maliciously lied about someone doing their job. I would be dumbfounded. Maybe it doesn't matter here.

[G_j]

110. "Maliciously lied "

great memory you got there, or are you taking short hand?

Much appreciated!

[Mandate My Ass]

120. former transcriptionist...

it comes back to you sometimes.:)

[G_j]

135. quite helpful

:yourock:

[burythehatchet]

106. watching the republicans around this table

is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. While I cannot imagine a lower depth to which they can sink, they will doubtless not disappoint me.

[The Witch]

108. Maybe today, maybe next time...

but one of these days the Dems are going to actually block one of these nominations or legislation. And when they do, the whole house of cards is going to come down.

We're mad as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore. FINALLY.

[Jo March]

112. And I say that it can't come fast enough

Can't people see these idiots for what/who they are?

Oh, right. Joe American does not watch C-SPAN. sigh

[The Witch]

115. "It's like telling dad you need the car to go read...

...the spelling of the high school written on the wall in back of the gymnasium where the kids go to neck!"

:rotfl:

[realFedUp]

116. Think any Republican minds will be changed?

I doubt it.

[Pirate Smile]

122. They know it. They just don't care!

[Nite Owl]

125. No, doubt it but still thrilled

to see our dems standing up to this. Together!

[Mandate My Ass]

117. Biden:

Not just about dealings with foreign diplomats, it's about dealings with staff. He's a good lawyer. He wanted these employees punished. Three times he followed this over a period of months. AFter sec'y of state supported Ford. How many times has SOS felt it necessary to go down and speak to analysts?

Bolton said Westerman did a bad job. Punitive action against Mr. Smith. The evidence shows the two men have never met. Smith said speech by Bolton to Heritage Foundation was not cleared. He went out of his way to get him fired. Bolton said "I lost confidence in him." Does he really expect us to believe this stuff?

[Nite Owl]

121. When Clinton had nominees

that the repukes had a problem with over some dumb thing they dig up weren't the hearings carried on CNN etc? I haven't turned to them but they must be still occupied by the white smoke from earlier.

[realFedUp]

123. The Washington Note following the hearings

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

[The Witch]

128. So this is a repeat?

Isn't this live?

[babylonsister]

147. It's live. nt

[Jo March]

That blog is not up-to-date

Wonder what's up with that?

Luckily, I've got DU!!!

[jojo54]

126. Biden

"I'm less interested in the concern of the U.N. than I am of the concern of the U.S."

[Mandate My Ass]

129. Biden: two profoundly troubling patterns

in speeches and testimony sought to exaggerate intelligence re WMD in Iraq. Tried it in Iraq. Revolt in intelligence community.

Pattern of abusive behavior towards subordinates and others.

The bottom line, Carl Ford said serial abuser. Mr. Chairman this appointment...Less concerned about reforming the UN than reforming America. Maybe it won't have a chilling effect. We're setting ourselves up for failure here. This is not a good choice.

[AlCzervik]

130. Norm Coleman----STFU you stupid whore!!!!

[AuntiBush]

133. Really!

He'll have to face Minnesota on this one! He's blaming it on the UN! And of course, it's always the Dem's fault. They're defending Bolton now.

Re-Thug-Licans!

[AuntiBush]

137. Repuks are calling for VOTE now; Kerry now talking....

Repuks are refusing to hear closed sessions; refusing to here what any Dem has to say. Kerry is speaking so dignified now... but it won't matter. The Dem's said it... this is unbelievable, this is out of control.

Kerry...speaking now and that's who should have been President. Kerry says "He get's the politics, but this shouldn't be governing what's going on."

[AlCzervik]

144. It's basically all over and done with no matter what evidence democrats

have, it's very disheartening.

[realFedUp]

131. Cspan just froze

is it just my cable provider? Oh, there
it goes again...

[realFedUp]

132. Coleman.....it's just about passion, intellect and passion

yeah, Hitler fit that description also....

[realFedUp]

134. Kerry's back on

the role of this committee is to create a record....
and we're not doing that...we've done it partially...

[realFedUp]

138. Talks about the integrity of this body

politics shouldn't be governing this decision.

[The Witch]

143. Kerry is being diplomatic

"Can't we satisfy these needs"?

KERRY Should be UN Ambassador.

Buuut... he just called Carl Ford... Karl Rove... then Ron Carl... snicker :) silly kerry.

[ReadTomPaine]

136. Norm Coleman's hair snaps on and off, I think.

Sheesh what a hairdo

[AlCzervik]

139. Norm Coleman should be flogged with his own awful bridgework

what a complete and utter douchebag he is.

[katinmn]

164. That he is. I got four replies to letters I wrote as a constituent

from him this week. In each response he shares that his job is to be water-boy for Commander-in-douchebag.

I despise Coleman.

[elcondor]

140. I love you John Kerry!

He was the first presidential candidate I was able to vote for in a general election ... and he and the other Dems on this committee are doing me and America proud today.

As someone else upthread said, it may not be today, but it WILL happen someday.

[Alizaryn]

146. KARL ROVE!!!

Freud would have loved this one!

[ReadTomPaine]

148. Maybe it wasn't a mistake.

[Mandate My Ass]

150. Kerry: rule is not to have individual senators report

the rule is to create a record. We're not doing that. 22 years I've been here, SEn Helms process was a long process. We reached otu and got info, first time I've seen hasty curtailment. There is something larger at stake, the integrity of this room. And we lay down the rpecedents, process by which rule of law is judged. We're not living up to that.

I get the politics. Been schooled in that the last couple years. Is there some way we can satisfy the majority and the committee that we've done our job? What we're talking about...if you're an analyst at the bottom of that chain, Ford obviously respected, he picks up what's going on.

We haven't had him testify or people who've given info since. Haven't explored that record. Four serious patterns:
1 retaliation
2 attempt to manipulate intel
3 abuse of those who get in way of 1 and 2
4 denies what is on record

We're voting on the truth and the fact is Mr. Ford et al all say he tried on several occassion to get them removed.

[blm]

171. Kerry appealed to their integrity. Too bad BushInc won't ALLOW integrity

in the Republican party anymore. Shame on these Bushmoonie senators. I know Lugar and Chaffee don't want to defend this POS Bolton, but they lost their integrity when BushInc attached its strings to them.

[realFedUp]

151. Lugar whines that the staff has compiled a lot of info on Bolton

he must be getting stronger shocks
through the Bushpack on his back...

[realFedUp]

153. Lugar calls for a vote

[realFedUp]

155. Sarbanes wants to know what the driving force is....

[realFedUp]

159. Sometimes you wish there were still duels....

good manners and rules seem to be moot.

[realFedUp]

Boxer speaks

Boxer felt that Biden and Dodd had objected
and so slowed it down to get more information.

[realFedUp]

169. Hagel's going to vote for Bolton in committee

says it doesn't mean he'll vote for
him on the Senate floor...
yeah, right.

[napi21]

152. So is lying to this committee the same as lying to Congress?

Kerry just named several instances where Bolton "didn't tell the truth before this Committee".

Lying to Congress is punishable by imprisonment...juat ask Martha!

Could Bolton face the same?

[EFerrari]

156. Lugar is pushing for a committee vote

all the while conceding Bolton's record.

This is the most life I've seen in the Dem Party in YEARS!

The worm is turning, folks, and you were there.

:kick:

[Mandate My Ass]

157. Lugar: not about emotions

Pres wants Bolton to reform UN. Rice wants him to reform UN. Many people have testified about his managment style. Not inconsequential.

The committee must vote. We'll have debate on Senate floor. Make feelings available to press etc.

Going to ask the clerk to call the roll.

Sarbanes wants debate finished.

[ReadTomPaine]

160. Lugar does look shaken.

[thoughtanarchist]

161. Lugar repratedly keeps trying to shut down debate

...keeps calling for an immediate vote...

Isn't the rest of the Senate still in recess?

[babylonsister]

167. I'd love to know why they're trying to rush this vote. Any

ideas out there?

[rman]

173. so that Dems have less time to present evidence

-

[jojo54]

190. Here's an idea, although I'd need some other opinions

I had heard, back in Sept '04 that Bill Clinton was going to be nominated as the new Secretary General of the U.N. in '06 when Kofi Annan retires.

1. Has anyone else heard of this?
2. Would Bolton have any kind of pull to block Clinton's nomination if it's true?

Opinions, please.

[Cats Against Frist]

162. Oh, what a complete jerkoff

Lugar's pulling it out of his ass. He sounds like a bad parent.

[ReadTomPaine]

175. Voinovich now withholding.

[thoughtanarchist]

172. Hegel does not sound like he's in support of bolton...

but he does agree with Lugar to get out of commitee and bring the vote to the ssenate floor....

[realFedUp]

177. He shouldn't vote him out of committee then

This is this committee's duty to recommend
a candidate or not...they have all the info
and the whole Senate looks to a committee
for recommendations.

[realFedUp]

174. Sarbanes repeats that the Bolton nomination hasn't been there long

comparing his to other nominations.

[notadmblnd]

183. Voinovich saying he wasn't there and he doesn't feel

comfortable voting for Bolton. It this a surpise or what?

[Idioteque]

176. Voinovich to vote no!?!? n/t

[realFedUp]

182. He wants more time....he sees the passion on the other side

[realFedUp]

189. Wonder what rewards/punishments Lugar faces

for pushing this through so quickly

[realFedUp]

199. Biden reminds committee of Bolton harrassment of aide

lots of things in a relatively short time...
more stuff could come out.

[realFedUp]

201. Chafee speaks, asks Hagel about vote in light of Voinovitch's

desire for more time. Lugar still wants to move on.

[bear425]

179. Wow! Voinovich is changing his mind!

[thoughtanarchist]

186. He may just be inclined to postpone...

I think they are talking about bringing the vote to the floor....

[bear425]

248. Yes, you're right. Just wants to postpone to hear all info.

I just got a little excited. This was a real victory for us today. Getting Lugar to agree to postpone gives a chance for more investigation and corroboration of the evidence. The truth will out!

[G_j]

192. is this an unexpected defection?

Lugar didn't sound too happy with him.

[thoughtanarchist]

180. Voinovitch (R) Ohio...

"I heard enough today so that I don't feel comfortable voting for Mr. Bolton."

[Langis]

185. Holy Shit!

Really?

[thoughtanarchist]

196. "Today" he said...

he's against going to the floor today...

[Jo March]

187. Wow! What does that make the vote count then? 9-9?

Is that right? Is it a tie?

[katinmn]

188. wow-- that's a lot coming from him

He really was an a-hole when he stood up proudly for vote fraud.

Maybe he heard from some constituents.:)

[AuntiBush]

194. Really. That's 2 Republicans Not Comfortable w/Vote!

2 Republicans standing-up saying they "respect the passion our Democrats are displaying!" They're not feeling "comfortable voting for Bolton!"

Go Democrats. But LUGAR is saying, "This President (CHIMP) favors nomination of Bolton and he's reminding that Bush wants this guy... sellout jerk Lugar!" Not for American people!

[Jo March]

220. Well, by all means, let the peasants lie down in the mud

so that Chimpy can step on our backs a bit more conveniently. Don't mind us down here, Chimp. Your wishes are our commands.

[Jo March]

234. Who's the other one? nt

[Alizaryn]

181. Go Voinovich !

[ReadTomPaine]

184. Hmmm.. any left on the fence?

[babylonsister]

191. Chafee maybe? Have we heard from him?

[redqueen]

198. IIRC I read he's voting for Bolton. n/t

[Pithy Cherub]

193. R from Ohio peeling off????

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

See Dems when passionate you CAN make a difference~! :applause:

[Jo March]

203. Exactly! We need to reward them for their courageous stand today

These guys have been awesome today - even Biden who disappoints me more often than not.

[katinmn]

211. I agree. Time to send some emails, make some calls

I love it when they show some passion for their work.

[Jo March]

229. Hiya, Kat! I've missed you!

I owe everyone a long, drawn out apology. :) Health has been such that I've been tired out and the medication makes it hard for me to concentrate.

Anyway, good seeing ya, friend! :hi:

[katinmn]

254. Good seeing you!

Sorry you've been ill. Hope that's behind you now.

I've been out of town 12 days this month. Once I get caught up and you're feeeling better, we should talk!:hi:

[SharonRB]

255. Hi, Carmen

Sorry to hear you're not feeling well. Today was a great, great day. I left work at 4:00 and missed everything after that, but when I heard Ed Schultz say they were delaying the vote on may way home I almost drove off the road! Maybe we'll finally have a victory. Hell, the delay was a victory.

[elcondor]

200. EARTH TO LUGAR:

Just because "the President of the United States" says he's a good nominee doesn't mean he is!!

What is WRONG with these people?!?!

[qanda]

239. Yeah

Doesn't Bernard Kerik ring a bell?

[thoughtanarchist]

202. Chafee "we need to take action"

He's toeing the party line...

[jackstraw45]

219. RI will DUMP Chafee for this...

and rightly so if he votes for Bolton.

[spuddonna]

204. Why does Lugar wanna shove this through?

What kinda dirt does Bush have on him that he's so determined to shove this through?!!

[notadmblnd]

209. because he was told to?

nt

[ReadTomPaine]

217. Perhaps, as others point out, due to the news from Rome

Free pass to for a hard moment for them.

[thoughtanarchist]

215. he SAYS he wants allegations investigated before the entire senate

but when it goes to the floor you know they're going to try to ram it through.

[realFedUp]

206. Obama speaks

the allegations that have just come up
are new to him and haven't been fully investigated
yet...feels like Voinovitch on this...
need more time.

[jojo54]

207. Lugar has that smirking laugh

after he makes a completely assinine statement, just like the chimp. Damn, I really don't like these people.

[notadmblnd]

213. please start a new thread

nt

[napi21]

208. Chaffee is questioning going forward with this vote.

Chaffee: In view of Sen Voinavitch's aprehension, do you have any qualms about going forward with the vote?

Chairman: NO!

We'll see.

[realFedUp]

210. Obama just got back from new Lincoln museum...

a little road trip with the pResident...
hmmmm, to keep Obama from voting?

[WildEyedLiberal]

221. Well, both IL senators were probably there

And * was there instead of being in OKC with Clinton to commemorate the tragedy.

Obama should shower ASAP to wash off the Bushcooties.

[katinmn]

224. A DUer was going too and was trying to decide which t-shirt

to wear.

Ha. We should have an update on that event coming tonight.

[WildEyedLiberal]

228. I can't believe I was within 100 miles of *

No wonder there was a stench in the air in Champaign today...

[wndycty]

No as an Illinois Senator he should have been there. . .

. . .by the way I was there and it was very good.

[Pirate Smile]

245. Bidden had his proxy. He said that earlier when they voted on

whether or not to have a closed session. He voted Obama's proxy with the rest of the Democrats.

[CottonBear]

212. Obama speaking now. Just got there.

"If we don't investigate this now ... what mechanism is there to investigate when it's out of committee?" (Q to Chairman)

"Don't you think that this should take place in this committee?"
(Q to Chairman)

[katinmn]

218. excellent question from the new kid

:) asked in all innocence.

[elcondor]

214. Anyone want to start a new thread?

[realFedUp]

222. go ahead....incognito doesn't seem to be here.

[oasis]

216. Some rethugs are having second thoughts and it's making Lugar shaky.

He's trying to rush the vote before more shit comes out on Bolton.

[G_j]

226. see what can happen when Dems take a real stand! n/t

[Mandate My Ass]

223. Obama

Allegations are new to me and have not been vetted. Might make a difference if true in how some poeple vote. I feel much like SEn Voinovich, some ideologically will support or not, struggling to get a sense if temperament and veracity are sufficient to put hime in sensitive position.

We need to make informed decisions for others not on committee. Allegations are serious. I flew back from ILL with president. Asked by a reporter should it be delayed. I said I don't know, but that was without allegations here. Maybe you can tell me mechanism by which record can be amplified if this moves out of committee.

Lugar: Committee staff could continue to work through allegations, make it available throughout the senate. Declassify CIA and State records be made available. We have had alot of investigations. Could be that Sen is correct, witneesses could change votes. That only senators know. Hopeful delay that things may turn up and things are turning up. It's a serious nomination for our country. We have alot of evidence. members have discussed. Want more debate.

Biden: I tried to find out info. Intercepts he received says name of foreigner and an American. It was asked by Sen dodd did he ever ask to see the name of the American. On ten occassions he sought the name of the american. Can anybody here testify is that an unusual practice?

The detractors say he wanted to find out. I don't know if that's normal but it's sure worth finding out.

[ReadTomPaine]

225. Lol - Lugar had the viewing numbers piped into his earpiece.

[napi21]

232. I heard that! "Quite a # of people watching this!"

Wonder if it's making him rethink his position?

[babylonsister]

233. He's really panicked now! LOL!

[elcondor]

230. If no one objects, I'm making a second thread

[katinmn]

235. just did

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3507208

[katinmn]

231. New thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3507208

[CottonBear]

236. Thank you! n/t

[realFedUp]

237. Allen saying there seems to be a tie vote...wants a time limit

wants the opposition to put down a list
of allegations (particulars) on Bolton...
gee Mr. Allen, I thought your staff had
researched all this so well...

[Mandate My Ass]

240. Lugar: State dept has called

Dodd to Biden: Written documentation as to rationale of the requests.

Hagel: In regard to Sen Voinovich. I would respectively suggest ammending sen dodd's amendment, to the middle of the week or whatever that this not get drug out.

If votes play out the way I suspect, the vote will not come out of this committee. Take Dodd amendment, address the issues and let it come out of committee.

Allen: Following up on SEn. Hagel. I'm sure dodd was happy this was open and everybody could hear them. In event of tie vote on motion to proceed, would that kill the nomination? would it be carried on another time? (loser) Strategically thinking, wait for second down, I would also ask opponents produce a bill of particulars of allegations so does not continue week after week on things that some consider serious. Have to have UN ambassadors look out for taxpayer. has become an issue, the wiser action is to have a time limit. What would impact of tie vote on nomination?

Lugar: First motion would be report nomination favorable to senate floor. Also an option be reported without recommendation. Could be a motion reported unfavorably.

Biden: 9-9 votes will fail. committee can proceed or to call WH to pull the nomination.

[thoughtanarchist]

242. Dodd wants to call Bolton before the comitee again...

1 week from now.

[katinmn]

244. New thread here if you're slowing down :-)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3507208&mesg_id=3507208&page=

[thoughtanarchist]

243. It's looking like the postponement will happen!

[Moderator]

246. Locking due to length

Please find Part 2 of this thread at the following:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3507208

Thank you!