two and two is not making four on this open border business

[donsu]

bushgang wants the borders open or they would be shut, and you know it.

smirk calls the minutemen vigilantes.

minutemen call themselves successful and are making plans to do both north and south borders. 9like a group of people can just decide to take matters in their own hands and nobody says boo.)

smirk says nothing and does not stop the "vigilantes".

different congress people come up with border ideas and float them in D.C.

none of this is meshing. it's not making sense.

what's the key to unravel this puzzle?

[ret5hd]

1. money...moolah...dinero...

whatever you want to call it

[Cats Against Frist]

2. Not to mention that they're alienating the freepers by keeping the borders

open.

I'm thinking commerce has something to do with it - either that they keep having to let illegals in to keep slave-paying U.S. businesses happy, or closing the borders would upset some kind of other arrangement -- either between the U.S. government and V. Fox, or would otherwise screw up some kind of border/industrialization thing -- maybe the maquiladoras -- there might be some social reason.

Anyway -- my guess is that it has to do with money. Or drugs.

[Robert Oak]

3. GATS, WTO, cheap labor

There is a huge movement to further erode workers rights through
unlimited "movement" of workers.

Right now there is up an "unlimited worker VISA" via GATS
so cheaper labor can be brought in and take your job.

The illegal border hopping is part of this.

They have already used illegals to union bust the meat packing
industry, the hotel worker industry and many factories.

Illegals have no rights, cannot complain, don't report abuses...

then there is this massive underground economy operating on fake
social security numbers and a cash basis.

Bush gave illegal aliens from Mexico our social security benefits
through a totalization agreement that has less qualifications
to obtain the minimum benefit than what Americans are required
to fulfill.

What this amounts to is a government subsidy to business, through
Medicaid, social services and so forth for ultra cheap labor.
It also burdens social services, Medicaid that assists in justifying
the big goal of Bush, Grover Norquist to "starve the beast"
and justify cutting all social safety nets that have been done
for the last 100 years...by overburdening Medicaid they can claim
that the US taxpayer cannot afford these programs and they must
be cut.

The only thing never cut are defense contracts...yet we have seen
a series of contracts that have been a complete waste, as in no
results for the US taxpayer....such as the FBI software system
and giving away Homeland security contracts to companies that
incorporate offshore and outsource US jobs to cheap foreign labor
markets.

[donsu]

4. thank you for laying it out - now for Lou Dobbs and his illusion

and the minutement? who is behind them? you and I couldn't round up a bunch of people and patrol a piece of border!


bottom line, the border will stay open until they get 'whatever' passed in congress that lets slave labor into the country legally.

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[Robert Oak]

6. these are my own words, there is no link/copying from

published text in this post.

It's all my own words.

[carpetbagger]

7. Here's the rub. It's about uppity American workers.

Bush wants his Mexican work-visa program. Basically, the program would allow American companies to tell workers to screw themselves, cut their wages to $6/hr, and then apply for visas for the jobs that Americans no longer will take.

If he solves the porous-border problem, away goes his solution to the daunting problem of workers making $12/hr with benefits.