Ratzinger condemned non-Catholic Christians

[Proud2BAmurkin]

MSNBC just asked some non-Catholic people at st. Peters whether Ratzinger's comments about non Catholic Christians bothered them.

Anyone know exactly what he said?

Edit, here is one source. So much for the love fest between Catholics and other "gravely deficient" Christians and Jews.

http://www.americamagazine.org/gettext.cfm?articleTypeID=1&textID=1035&issueID=320


The declaration maintains that the salvific grace of God is given only by means of Jesus and the church. Though “individual non-Christians” can attain this grace in a manner that remains difficult to define, it is a certainty that the process cannot take place without “a mysterious relationship with the church” (No. 20). This appears to mean that other religions, presumably including Judaism, have no independent salvific power. The text goes on to emphasize that although “followers of other religions can receive divine grace...objectively speaking they are in a gravely deficient situation in comparison with those who, in the Church, have the fullness of the means of salvation” (No. 22).

[Mandate My Ass]

1. In a paper entitled Dominus Iesus

he said the only way to salvation is through Jesus Christ, and specifically through the Roman Catholic Church. Caused quite a stir in 2000 and even JPII had to try and soften what he said but he refused to back down.

[RamboLiberal]

8. Maybe we can have a religious war

Ratzinger and Opus Dei vs. the Born Again Theocons.

Maybe the Apocalypse is really coming!

[Mandate My Ass]

9. Steel cage match!

My bet is on Team Opus Dei. They mortify their own flesh so they can dish it out and take it. :evilgrin:

[demnan]

2. I know how the Catholic church feels about the rest of us

I've known that all my life, they think everyone else will go to hell -- so do the protestant fundies for that matter.

[Avalux]

6. Are you sure?

I don't think that and John Paul II didn't either. I was not taught that in the Catholic Church. If you want to say protestant fundies think everyone else will go to hell, fine but don't include Catholics in the same sentence. I find it offensive.

[n2mark]

10. I attended Catholic School

Yes, the nuns taught that Protestants would not enter heaven, and we were not allowed to have Protestant friends.

[Avalux]

11. Then we attended two completely different Catholic Churches

because mine did not teach me that.

[WillowTree]

14. Mine either.

[n2mark]

19. Maybe we lived at different times

this was taught to me in the 50's, if you are a John XXIII time period, this was not taught. He accepted everyone, just like Jesus.

[liberalpragmatist]

7. Not entirely - Catholic theology is vague

After Vatican II many prominent Catholic theologians said that non-Catholics and even non-Christians could attain salvation.

In fact, even Nigeria's Cardinal Arinze has said so. He was another conservative choice, but while he is conservative on social matters, he is VERY liberal on interfaith issues. And has written that different faiths can go to heaven.

Which is partly why I would have been happy with an Arinze selection. He was genuinely tolerant and open, even if he was highly conservative on social issues. Now the world gets a pope that has all that social conservatism and married to authoritarianism and will take the church back to the old-time view that only Catholics could attain salvation.

[woodsprite]

3. Same old, same old - my religion is the only way to salvation. n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Greeeeat. Just what the world and RC church needed. :^( Well, he is

78. Sounds like he is old school because, well, he is old. :)

[patcox2]

5. He just said you can't go to heaven.

George Bush said, when asked by reporters whether he had a message for the Israelis prior to travelling to Israel as governor of Texas, and this is a quote, "I am going to tell them they are all going to hell."

[bloom]

12. Sounds like B**H and the new Pope

make a good pair. The pope will probably be slightly more diplomatic.

[Zenlitened]

13. Here's a little gem...

On Monday, Ratzinger, who was the powerful dean of the College of Cardinals, used his homily at the Mass dedicated to electing the next pope to warn the faithful about tendencies that he considered dangers to the faith: sects, ideologies like Marxism, liberalism, atheism, agnosticism and relativism - the ideology that there are no absolute truths.

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050416121309990001

[WillowTree]

15. Suggest you READ the Dominus Iesus...

....before making such inflamatory and ill-informed statements.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html

[LiberallyInclined]

16. salvific power...

that's the first thing i look for in a laundry detergent.

[MountainLaurel]

17. Yawp

I was attending a Presbyterian church at the time of these remarks, and PCUSA was writing some sort of formal response to his comments, I believe.

Nothing new though: most of the mainstream religions are all about my faith is the right one, and you're gonna burn in hell, nyah, nyah, nyah.

[hunter]

18. Note to Bush: The new Pope suspects you are going to Hell.

I just googled a few RCIA programs in and about Washington D.C., you night want to check those out.

I Didn't see a Catholic Church in Crawford, but there are a few in neighboring towns:

http://www.google.com/local?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=catholic&near=Crawford,+TX+76638&sa=X&oi=localr

You wouldn't want to be "Left Behind," you know...