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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 09:25 AM
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How democrats can win the next election
From Jerry Springer. I know there's another post from me from Springer but I wanted to post this. He's talking about how democrats can win 2006 and possibly 2008. He said to be clear in security. Not only on terrorism but national security and security that people will get jobs. Also so many people are without health insurance and promising national health care can help as well and can help win people over. That's why I liked how Kerry had his "Kids First" act because it's simple really (health care for every child) and can be used against republicans who didn't vote for it. It is war with health and disease is killing us and health insurance should be a top issue because of people losing their jobs and not having health insurance to help pay bills. And the final point is education security. The Bush administration hasn't done anything for education (if anything made it worse). He is also saying to have the democrats to leave us a lone in private business like churches, marriage, bedrooms, etc. Bush has given three tax cuts since 9/11 to people like Springer and we do have money to secure our country and he's only given the money to wealthy intrest and these people are showing Bush isn't keeping us secure and they're being quadrippled with the terrorist's attacks and he's not counting Iraq and our airports are NO safer then 9/11. It's all about security. One guy is calling in and he's making good points. He's saying it's all apart of Bush's plans. Dumbing down of America means you can keep information from them and keep them scared and then you can sell them the war on terror and the bogus security against terrorism and he's mentioning PNAC. The neocons believe what they're doing and think it's nessessary to keep the people dumbed down so they can sell their plans. Springer is saying he believes they're doing it because they care and I say: bullshit. Since people are afraid they hand control over to them and how they really don't know any better (Bush administration) and they choose to misread it and sift through parts that only agree with them and anything in a report that disagree's with them they ignore, fire someone and keep the report silent. We're in charge and the politicins work for us and the media needs to cover these stories (yeah right!).
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Mr.Soul Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 09:29 AM
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1. it is all about turnout....
The Democrats could have won many of the elections had people voted.

Organize and get folks to the polls.

That is it, we do not need to mimic the Republican party and pander to the "alleged" religious base in "fly-over" country.

We almost had it this year, but needed more voters.

The youth vote was a fucking joke, could have been much stronger.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 09:33 AM
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5. Maybe this can work for us
I don't think many people vote in midterm elections and mainly only care about presidential elections. I care about every election of course, so maybe if all of us get people to go out and vote in 2006 for democratic canidates we might have a chance at taking back the government and can get to do some real work. I think that's the challenge. Getting people to care enough to go and vote in the midterms and not for republicans.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 09:30 AM
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2. I don't know what Springer Means by Care
I do think that some of the Neocons are shysters and snake oil salesman fully aware of what they are pushing, and others genuinely believe the crap they say.

I would also point that it is the Bush administrations addiction to tax cuts that keep us all permenantly screwed. I mean that's why we don't have the money to fix some of these security holes.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 09:31 AM
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3. Yep
They know what they're doing and don't give a damn. Why else would they fire people who didn't agree with them and only use information when it's handy for them? They're total bullshitters.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 09:33 AM
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4. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs. Security is #2 Need behind food and water
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 09:34 AM by Quixote1818
Springer is smart as hell! He just nailed the top two needs.

http://web.utk.edu/~gwynne/maslow.HTM

Physiological Needs

Physiological needs are the very basic needs such as air, water, food, sleep, sex, etc. When these are not satisfied we may feel sickness, irritation, pain, discomfort, etc. These feelings motivate us to alleviate them as soon as possible to establish homeostasis. Once they are alleviated, we may think about other things.

Safety Needs

Safety needs have to do with establishing stability and consistency in a chaotic world. These needs are mostly psychological in nature. We need the security of a home and family. However, if a family is dysfunction, i.e., an abusive husband, the wife cannot move to the next level because she is constantly concerned for her safety. Love and belongingness have to wait until she is no longer cringing in fear. Many in our society cry out for law and order because they do not feel safe enough to go for a walk in their neighborhood. Many people, particularly those in the inner cities, unfortunately, are stuck at this level. In addition, safety needs sometimes motivate people to be religious. Religions comfort us with the promise of a safe secure place after we die and leave the insecurity of this world.


Love Needs

Love and belongingness are next on the ladder. Humans have a desire to belong to groups: clubs, work groups, religious groups, family, gangs, etc. We need to feel loved (non-sexual) by others, to be accepted by others. Performers appreciate applause. We need to be needed. Beer commercials, in addition to playing on sex, also often show how beer makes for camaraderie. When was the last time you saw a beer commercial with someone drinking beer alone?


Esteem Needs

There are two types of esteem needs. First is self-esteem which results from competence or mastery of a task. Second, there's the attention and recognition that comes from others. This is similar to the belongingness level, however, wanting admiration has to do with the need for power. People who have all of their lower needs satisfied, often drive very expensive cars because doing so raises their level of esteem. "Hey, look what I can afford-peon!"


Self-Actualization

The need for self-actualization is "the desire to become more and more what one is, to become everything that one is capable of becoming." People who have everything can maximize their potential. They can seek knowledge, peace, esthetic experiences, self-fulfillment, oneness with God, etc. It is usually middle-class to upper-class students who take up environmental causes, join the Peace Corps, go off to a monastery, etc.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 09:35 AM
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6. Yep
Someone should forward this to democratic leaders like Dean, Pelosi, Reid, etc. They could use this for at least 2006 and then whatever happens after that can go from there for 2008. Security is definietly a plus. That's why the neocons used Kerry's flipfloppness to paint him as a leader who wouldn't protect you very much. Especially during these times. People believe Bush's bullshit.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 09:38 AM
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7. Yes, people don't feel secure when the Deficit is out of control
People would rather pay higher taxes and know their future is secure. Springer understands this. When Clinton got the Deficit under control people felt good about things and then spent more money and the economy took off.
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Bryan Kerwick Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 09:49 AM
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8. "How democrats can win the next election"
The main reason the Democratic Party keeps loosing elections is the tone of their campaign.
No one wants to hear gloom and doom all the time. Try a positive upbeat message and people will listen.
As far as the "fly over red(neck) states" are concerned, there are far more registered Democrats than Republicans.
Change the issues to "State Specific" and you have a winner!
Both coasts (Blue States) would heavily favor the Progressive Agenda but the rednecks still need coddling as well.
If they are intent in blowing the hell out of the Middle-East, let them. Just don't join the military and don't vote to fund it.
If their perception of gun control is a steady hand, make the penalty for bringing guns to our states extremely severe.
If they insist on banning gay marriage in their states let them. Who wants to live there anyway?
Move a little to the center to appease the rednecks and we can pick up one or two borderline red states. Thats all we need.
Concentrate on passing legislation that fits our agenda in the blue states and don't worry about the rednecks. Let them do what they want in their own back yard. Who cares? We don't live there anyway.
If they don't want health care, good schools, etc. that's their problem.
Lets just concentrate on our agenda at the state level and we can win National elections once again.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:03 AM
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9. Welcome to DU nt
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:04 AM
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10. we ran the LAST election on security and lost
some people even criticized Kerry for putting too much emphasis on security. (I think Kerry lost because he is not charismatic and we Dems like to underestimate the value of charisma but that's a different discussion.)

Why not try a "we have nothing to fear but fear itself" coupled with a "there is nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed by what's right with America" campaign?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:25 AM
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11.  Security means many things
Job Security
Economic Security
Security from Terrorism
Health Care Security
An under control deficit that does not compromise our children's future

The Republicans won on SECURITY!!!! People feared terrorism over the state of the economy.

I agree with what you said here:

Why not try a "we have nothing to fear but fear itself" coupled with a "there is nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed by what's right with America" campaign?

That would be a great hopefully campaign.
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