Couldn't we (Dems) set up a sort of 'mirror system' for foiling vote fraud

[AzDar]

in 2006? I, personally, have very little faith in the "official"
inquiry panel as long as James Baker is on board.
Couldn't we set up some sort of registry; some way to record (indisputably) how we've voted,independently of "official" tallies? Logistics would be a bastard, I know, but frankly, I don't see any other way of stopping another "mandate" in 2006. If we allow another 'Demicide', our country WON'T recover, imho. Any thoughts?

[Trillo]

1. Paper ballots are such a 'shadow' system.

Paper ballots are a verifiable and theoretically inalterable record of voter intent.

[AzDar]

5. I agree paper ballots would be ideal...But I don't think it's going to

be required(by legislation) before 2006. I think we need to find another way; something that the Democratic party can implement.

[forgethell]

8. Why did we abandon

paper ballots in the first place? Could it have been because they were ridiculously easy to commit fraud with, and higher technology was thought to provide a solution? Just an idea.

[Trillo]

9. Its part of the subversion of democracy, clothed as the savior.

"The sheep in wolves clothing."

1. Non Open Source software (proprietary) at a time when Open Source is the popular rage by those in the know.

2. Failure to provide an inalterable paper record of the vote, when ATM manufacturers do, is a telling feature of e-voting manufacturers' intent.

3. The loss of integrity of exit polling by changing the weighting during elections further inflames suspicions of loss of democracy. (honest exit polling is a "shadow system")

4. The complicity and complicity of Corporate Media in failing to honestly inform and take their role as public servants seriously by thorough investigation instead of name-calling (conspiracy theorists) and dissemination of government propaganda is another red-flag.


That these subversions are happening 'all at the same time' as corruption of Corporations is being revealed through Enrons, Worldcoms; restatements of many kinds from many companies, etc., is telling.

[forgethell]

12. Still, paper ballots

were abandoned long before the Repukes came to power. Any system can be subverted. Paper ballots are not the cure-all, although I have no objection to them.

But we'll have to do something to ensure their integrity. something like a chain of evidence. If the ballots go outside the purview of election officials, for example, they cannot be discovered and counted later. some people may lose their vote, so if ballots are lost, election officials must be held criminally liable.

[In Truth We Trust]

2. Paper ballots NOW!!!! Hand counts Now!!!!!

Kick

Perhaps we have volunteers outside the polling stations with ballot boxes in which we hand out duplicate ballots which voters can sign for in case of dispute. I like the thought and kick for evceryone else to consider.

[Ironpost]

3. Paper hand counted ballots nothing less.

[woodsprite]

4. If we could do that, even IF we didn't get everyone,

we'd get the ones who believe something screwy is going on with this government and it would be a protest in and of itself.

[AzDar]

6. exactly.

[sexybomber]

11. I'll volunteer for that job

Although in Ithaca, I don't anticipate it being very difficult...

"Hillary and Hinchey... Hillary and Hinchey... Hillary and Hinchey... oh, wait, what's this? A vote for the repub.... oh, wait, my mistake, another one for Hillary..."

[derby378]

7. What we need...

...is to collect all the info we can on these shadow registrars in Western states that trashed all Democratic voter registrations while sending in Republican voter registrations. Maybe we can put that info to good use.

[burn the bush]

10. I guess the only way to have a fair chance

is to get into the machines and hack them ourselves. Why with the next election we can counter hack what they hack and hopefully other hackers will hack too. It can be one big hack a vote day.