The Dems who voted for bankruptcy bill may now be supporting a energy bil

[Robbien]

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/041905/energy.html

One-third of the House Democrats on Energy and Commerce voted last week to support the legislation, which is widely expected to pass when it comes to the floor this Thursday. If it gets similar support during the floor vote, it would mark the sixth time this year that Republican leadership has passed legislation with the support of more than 40 Democrats. The Real ID Act, class-action reform, bankruptcy reform, permanent repeal of the estate tax and continuity in government all passed with more than 40 Democratic votes even though Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) voted against each measure.

[Massacure]

1. Once a traitor, always a traitor.

[AuntiBush]

2. Massacure is Right!

At the risk of repeating oneself... oh, what they hey at this point:

"What the hell has happened to our country?"

[FreedomAngel82]

10. Welcome to

hell.

[hedda_foil]

3. Can we all agree that the gang of 40 "new dems" in the house

are corporatists through and through?

[Robbien]

4. They are not denying it. They are just demanding all Democrats

support them anyway for the sake of party unity.

[NVMojo]

5. Must be payola time!!

[Drewskie]

6. Energy bill

Hmm so this energy bill focuses on oil production levels and the drilling in ANWR? The drilling itself is'nt a huge issue to me since, thinking long term, humans will eventually have to tap into every drop of oil on the planet... (bio-diesel and other alternatives asside) the oil companies will make sure this is so. Worse is the fact this is public land that will basically be given to the drilling companies for free. There should be reimbursement.

I think Nancy comes from a very liberal district, so she has the luxury of voting the way she does and not facing wrathfull constituents.

[Robbien]

7. ANWR is not just one well, it could be as high as fifty

Proponents of drilling in the Arctic Refuge insist that only 2,000 acres within the 1.5-million-acre coastal plain would be disturbed. But this is pure myth.

Why? Because U.S. Geological Survey studies have found that oil in the refuge isn't concentrated in a single, large reservoir.

Rather, it's spread across the coastal plain, which would require vast networks of roads and pipelines that would fragment the habitat, disturbing and displacing wildlife.

Check out the map below to see for yourself why oil development could easily industrialize and despoil the entire expanse of this irreplaceable sanctuary for wildlife.



and all this destruction just on the chance we may get a couple of weeks worth of oil with the cost heavily subsidized by the US taxpayer and all profits going to Exxon, Shell, etal.

[Drewskie]

8. Studies

I've heard there are numerous, conflicing studies on how much oil is actually there, though have not had time to look into any of them. And, of course, some of the studies are bound to be partisan.

[Robbien]

9. Fine, the studies you say are partisan but your post

sneered at Peloski and supported ANWR drilling based on what? Energy studies made up by Cheney & Exxon?

[Drewskie]

12. ?

You're seeing stuff that's not there... What I said was true. And eventually, there will be more cars in China than the US. ANWR, big as it is, is a small portion of basically unpopulated Alaska. If I'm to sneer at anyone, it's you for accusing me of sneering.

[Robbien]

13. First that area of Alaska is not unpopulated

There is a large Indian population there which lives on the land and depends on the wildlife in that area. Second, most of the rest of the Alaskan wilderness is already under contract for oil drilling. ANWR was set aside for wilderness when the rest was contracted out.

Third, when you say Peloski can support no drilling in ANWR because she is in a "safe" district, that is a sneer on her intentions.

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[barb162]

11. I agree that some time or other ANWR will be used but

to use it for all these damned SUVs and gas guzzlers drives me up the wall. We need a crash course in ethical rationing of this resource and I wish people would start discussing it as of yesterday. The energy bill should be more about strict conservation than about new drilling.


Where are the REAL democrats.

[G_j]

15. Hello? Change to the Clean Air Act Is Built Into New Energy Bill

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/16/politics/16enviro.html?th=&emc=th&pagewanted=print&position=

April 16, 2005

Change to the Clean Air Act Is Built Into New Energy Bill
By MICHAEL JANOFSKY

WASHINGTON, April 15 - Deep in the energy bill that was approved by a House committee this week, under a section titled "Miscellaneous," is a brief provision that could have major consequences for communities struggling to clean up their dirty air.

If it becomes law, it would make one of the most significant changes to the Clean Air Act in 15 years, allowing communities whose air pollution comes from hundreds of miles away to delay meeting national air quality standards until their offending neighbors clean up their own air.

The provision could especially affect states like New York, which has some of the nation's dirtiest air, and other Northeastern states that have always had difficulty meeting federal standards for ozone, a leading cause of smog, because much of any state's pollution originates in states to the south and west.

Under the new provision, the "downwind" states would not be required to meet clean air standards until the "upwind" states that were contributing to the problem had done so. Currently, states can get more time but only if they agree to added cleanup measures.

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[Disturbed]

16. Drewskie needs ot read the DU Rules!

Calling a poster a shmuck is a personal attack and not a way to debate an issue. Moderator should give Drewskie a warning and the next time kick Drewskie off of DU.

Seems that at 1/3 of Dems in Congress should be voted out of the Congress. It also seems that the reason the Repubs have so much success is that there is barely an opposition party in Amerika.

[G_j]

17. I posted another thread

here about Bush's visit to our neck of the woods in western NC/eastern TNN on Earthday. We have signifigant pollution problems here in these beautiful mountains and people, especially children and elders are getting sick from it! So they don't mind killing us?

Ant Dem who votes for the energy bill is indeed a traitor to the people.