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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 06:11 PM
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The Rise of the Theocrats
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

- Bob Dylan, ‘With God on Our Side’

Ten years ago today, an anti-government extremist named Timothy McVeigh parked a Ryder truck filled with fertilizer and fuel oil in front of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. At 9:02 in the morning, the truck exploded and carved out the guts of that building like a gourd. 168 people, including 19 children, died in the blast. It remains today the most devastating act of domestic terrorism in American history.

McVeigh was birthed from a movement that became all too prominent during the 1990s. The militia people, they of the Black Government Helicopters and the theory that the United Nations was getting ready to take over the world, made up the far-right flank of Newt Gingrich’s GOP back in the day. After Oklahoma City, however, the militias petered out and faded into the backwoods background from whence they came.

That breed of extremist was on the outside looking in at the time. They have been replaced today by an extremist movement of surpassing menace. Like the militias before them, this new breed likewise represents the far-right flank of the GOP. Unlike their predecessors, however, this new breed enjoys unprecedented insider status. They are represented vigorously in Congress and the White House, and are calling many of the shots.

McVeigh and his militia ilk wanted to destroy the government so they could keep their guns and pay no taxes, basically. McVeigh destroyed the Murrah building to strike a blow for this cause. As catastrophic as that attack was, it pales in comparison to the damage this nation will endure if these new extremists are allowed to have their way. Their vision of America does away with the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the separation of church and state.

They are the Theocrats, the Christian Taliban right here in America, and they are deadly dangerous both to this nation and the world entire. These people do not in any way represent mainstream Christianity, yet sadly they are redefining the meaning of that faith across the board. They would annihilate all that America has stood for these last two hundred years to ‘save’ the nation, literally as far as they are concerned, and right now, they believe they have the power to get everything they want.

It remains to be seen if they are correct in this assumption. While they make up only a small minority of the populace, the Theocrats enjoy the sponsorship of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, House Majority Leader Tom Delay as well as George W. Bush, whom some call President of the United States. Yet their most recent foray into power politics, the Terri Schiavo debacle, blew up decisively in their faces. Some 80% of the populace decided they did not like these people placing themselves into the role of mother, father, husband, wife, doctor and priest all in one sitting.

The most recent polls indicate this ghoulish sideshow has cost the Republican majority and the White House significant standing with the citizenry; each now is suffering the lowest approval ratings to this point in their tenure, and if Chairman Dean’s words are to be heeded, this issue will be used as a barbed stick to be wielded by the Democrats during the upcoming 2006 midterm elections.

The Theocrats lost that particular fight but are gearing up for the next one, and it is upon the coming battleground that a good portion of the future health and well-being of this republic will be decided. Majority Leader Frist is teaming up with the worst elements of the Theocrat armada in an attempt to paint Democrats in Congress as ‘anti-Christian,’ the ultimate purpose of which is to undo the generations-old recourse of the Congressional minority, the filibuster.

Though we live today in an age where official hypocrisy is as common as sunlight and shadow, the reasons for Frist’s looming attack on the filibuster forge new precedent in the annals of foolishness. Exactly twelve of 204 of Bush’s nominations to the Judiciary have been stopped by the Democrats, those twelve being far feathers on the right wing who have no place on the bench. This equals a Judicial nominee approval rate of 95%, which is a far cry from the obstructionism of the Republican Congress during Clinton’s term, when one out of three seats in the Federal court system were left empty thanks to the efforts of the Gingrich brigades.

Why were these twelve nominees singled out and blocked? Let us look at a few examples. One Bush nominee, Jay Bybee, was one of the wonderboys who told Bush he could ignore laws forbidding torture. Bush nominee Carolyn Kuhl ruled that a woman's right to privacy was not violated by a doctor who invited a drug salesman to personally observe her breast exam. Bush nominee Charles Pickering once described a cross-burning as a "drunken prank." Bush nominee Jeffrey Sutton believes the Americans with Disabilities Act "is not needed."

Et cetera.

The destruction of the filibuster is about far more than these twelve forlorn nominees. If Frist and the Theocrats are able to do away with this last lingering firebreak, the Theocrats will have a wide-open highway on which to drive through the most terrifying aspects of their agenda. The despicable invasion of privacy that was the Schiavo mess will be a forgotten footnote compared to what will come if Frist and the Theocrats have their way with the filibuster.

Imagine this scenario: A bill is introduced in the House to do away with the 22nd Amendment, which requires a President to serve no more than two terms. As this is a constitutional issue, the rules require a two-thirds majority of every state legislature to pass the bill. Thanks to the massive GOP majority in the House, this rule is done away with in the same manner the filibuster was done away with. The bill reaches the Senate, where outraged Democrats are powerless to stop its passage without the filibuster. It passes, and is placed on the desk of Mr. Bush, who happily signs his chance to serve a third, fourth or even fifth term.

Crazy, right? Wrong. This is a benign hypothetical compared to the draconian legislation the Theocrats would like to see passed. Should they get their way, you will not be safe in person, thought or deed if any of these cut against the fundamentalist grain. America won’t become a land of bourkas and beheadings, probably, but if you don’t have a Bible in your hand at all times, you’ll probably lose you job and credit rating. For starters.

Frist and the Theocrats do not have the destruction of the filibuster sewn up quite yet, however. The GOP has a 55-44 majority in the Senate, with Jeffords the Independent caucusing with the Democrats. 51 Senators are needed to kill the filibuster. The Democrats can count on all 44 of their Senators to oppose, and can likewise count on Jeffords to do the same. At this point, GOP Senators McCain and Chafee have also stated they will oppose the action.

Seven GOP Senators are on the fence: Collins and Snowe of Maine, Hagel of Nebraska, Lugar of Indiana, Murkowski of Alaska, Specter of Pennsylvania, and Warner of Virginia. Whoever convinces a majority of these undecided Senators will win the filibuster fight. We have seen how ugly, bloody and dangerous things can get in other countries when religious extremists gain political supremacy. It can happen here. Unless it is stopped, right now, it will happen here.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 06:35 PM
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1. I see them as our number one threat
Edited on Mon Apr-18-05 06:36 PM by mopaul
and i've been squawking about it since st. ronnie invited them to the grand old party. just saw trent lott on matthews whining about how he and his 'people of faith' are under threat of extinction from secular, liberal, radical atheists.

it's all just really getting out of hand and more people should be alarmed.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 06:51 PM
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4. Count me as "alarmed"
I want my country back.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:01 AM
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32. Luv the Pict & Excellent Posting
RE-showing over weekend of Ok bombing. Prob to stir-up more civil gun-toting, Ah-Mur-A-Kin Terrorism.

We'd better hang tight to our inner-city street wisdoms.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 06:37 PM
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2. good piece Will, I will send it to my brother
who is a born-again R Christian with uneasiness about what has been transpiring.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 06:38 PM
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3. Recommended.
Well written as usual. Except this time you've scared the shit out of me.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 06:56 PM
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5. When is this going up? It ROCKS, but I have some nitpicks
Paragraph 6 - need a comma before "as well as George"

Paragraph 7 - this is kind of clunky "this issue will be used as a barbed stick to be wielded"

Paragraph 9 - is it "were left empty" or "was left empty"?

Paragraph 14 - double-check the spelling on "bourka" - I've never seen it spelled that way

Nitpicks aside...I loved it. Welcome back. :)
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:51 AM
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33. agree

in pp 7: just take out "to be wielded"
in pp 9: it should be "was"

sorry for butting in--I was a writing tutor once. :)
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:00 PM
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6. Remind them over and over that Pope JP2 called the Iraq Invasion "Unjust"
They got a better claim to God than the Pope? Show me.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:55 AM
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34. well yeah but
the Fundies don't need no stinkin' pope. They feel superior.

Bush being the exception because he was trying to score politically with Catholics. For the party if not for himself.

My Fundy mother saw no reason to watch the coverage on tv or anything--"well, I'm not Catholic!"
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 02:44 PM
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43. Then bring up the Commandments
Which they conveniently seem to have forgotten.

I know that you can't talk sense to someone who is unwilling to listen, but point it out if they're willing to discard the Commandments etc. They might have a revealing dream or something.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:01 PM
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7. Excellent. Nominated. And, here is a Yurica update just posted at DU...
...link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3500309

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (a day to reflect on the vast evil represented by Bu$h and his theocratic neoconster buddies)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:02 PM
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8. X-tian Taliban - Jesus Christ does not deserve to have his name sullied so
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La Coliniere Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:04 PM
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9. A clarion call......
to action. Send Will's post to all your christian friends and relatives, (you know, the ones who at least try to live by the words and ideas of the Beatitudes).
Wake'em up out of their slumber.
Blessed are those you refuse to live a SILENT SPRING.
Never in my wildest musings could I imagine things getting this dire.
Thanks Will. Another great one.
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Greenbeard Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:21 PM
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10. Definately our number one threat
It is truly a shame that these extremists are not being called out by the public as the liars and hypocrites that they are. They have been allowed to spread this message for so long now that many of our fellow citizens do not see or hear anything out of the ordinary anymore. Considering the fact that 45 Senators have already agreed to vote in favor of stopping the filibuster it is gettting tough to call this group extremists. As extreme as they may be, the defintion of extremists always seems to fall back on us liberal-minded thinkers. For anything to change that is what has to stop.

It is time to call the hypocrites out. It is up to every one of us, but I believe the largest burden lies upon the christians out there. The christian religion in America has been hijacked by extremists that don't seem to follow any of the teachings that I remember from Sunday School. If we are going to change the discourse and turn this nation around we have to attack them where we can. They are using religion as a tool for money and power (as it sadly has been used many times before) and it is time to call it out for what it is at every opportunity. This is where they are weak.

For those willing and able I urge you to brush up on the message that the philospher Jesus spent so much time travelling the countryside preaching. It is time to call them out on all these things. Death penalty, war, homosexuality, treatment of your enemies, treatment of the poor, abuse of power, making money off religion ............... This list truly does go on and on. I have been engaging my fair share of hypocrites and many are at a loss to explain themselves. They never actually admit defeat but they always turn away from Jesus and go back to the old testament to support their beliefs. For all their talk of Jesus they sure do turn away from him when confronted with his philosophy. When the conversation is over you will often feel like you made no progress but fear not. It takes time. As long as they are still thinking their is hope and many of them still are.

I know there are many out there that cringe at the name Jesus and hate all references to religion because of the destruction it has caused around the world. Believe me, I understand. We must all find our own way to confront the evil in the world today. Personally, I am upset and saddened that such a peaceful and hopeful message has been turned into a message of fear and hate. That is about as wrong as it gets and therfore I have chosen to call them out on it. Every individual has their own personal issues. Vocalize them. Spread them. It is time we demand truth. It is time to expose the liars.


As an aside, I know the history of religion around the world and how it has been used in this manner many times before. It is time for that to change.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:31 PM
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12. They are not being called out by the public because
Edited on Mon Apr-18-05 07:32 PM by fiziwig
the public doesn't even know they exist, or what their agenda is. We need to make more noise about their real agenda. Hand out flyers making their agenda public. (Like: "A vote against Bush is a vote against God!") Join in their own demonstrations with your own signs that tell it like it is. We need to get them MORE visibility, and give them MORE rope so that they can hang themselves right in public view.

By helping THEM get visibility, we help the public see them for what they are and we win big when the public boots them out of office. So we need to help the theocrats get public exposure in every way we can.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:22 PM
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11. so OKC launched the age of theocracy
and 9-11 launched the era of terrorism

does that mean progressives need to blow up a building?
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:31 PM
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13. Fabulous as usual
I do have a concern about one thing:

"...George W. Bush, whom some call President of the United States."

While I wholly concur with the sideways snark there, I'm concerned that it will impinge upon your credibility in the rest of the article (which would be sad because it is wholly credible and spot on). I think it makes you look like a foaming at the mouth liberal taking a swipe at a sitting President (well, squatting President) and therefore brings into question the rest of your thesis. While the swipe is gratifying, I think you have higher standards you have to aspire to than we rabble rousers here at DU. You are one of our spokespersons and as such, need to bring the President down through truthful analysis rather than easy shots. And since you do that exceedingly well, I would prefer to see that phrase reworked along the lines of "who is called" rather than "whom some call".

That said, it did make me smile.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 08:00 PM
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20. I agree with this, for what it's worth.
It's easy to dismiss us liberals if we sound too eager to steal the throne out from under W's ass, or if we sound pouty about the election.

I'd just nix the whole "whom some call..." bit. Not needed, anyway!

THIS ROCKS.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:34 PM
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14. Mastering the art of the "Big Lie"..
They have done it. People who haven't been paying attention have a very hard time believing that an American administration would ever do anything this awful.

Their repeated lies are hypnotic mantras..
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:36 PM
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15. Yep the Talibornagain
For those wanting a quick history and overview of thier publicly stated goals check out the half hour presentation at theocracywatch.org.

-Hoot
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:37 PM
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16. They do seek to destroy the multi-faceted society which makes,...
,...ours a flourishing democracy.

They're dangerous.

Impactful piece, as usual, Will!!!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:40 PM
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17. Wow Will...That is good...No...GREAT!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:44 PM
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18. Chilling!
We have a lot of fighting to do. We must find democrats who are not afraid to fight hard against tnese theocratic fascists!
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:51 PM
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19. a few more nits to pick:
"from whence" is redundant.

the 22nd amendment scenario is problematic because the procedure for amending the constitution is laid out in the constitution itself, it's not a senate rule that the gop can just dispose of.

in particular, it requires a simple majority of each chamber of 3/4 of the state legislatures (not 2/3 majority of every state legislature).
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 08:51 PM
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22. And another nit:
they only need 50 senators, not 51, 'cause Mr. Cheney (you just know that's what Bush** calls him :-) ) has already stated his willigness to break any tie and "go nuclear". :nuke:
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 08:42 PM
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21. Very informative. (nt)
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 08:54 PM
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23. Thank you, Mr. Pitt.
Edited on Mon Apr-18-05 08:58 PM by susanna
Very enjoyable and what I have been yacking about since the early 90s to anyone who would listen...although your version is much more concise. I'm bookmarking this one.

On edit: Uh - substitute "astute" for enjoyable. I have a penchant for picking the wrong words...
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 09:30 PM
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24. You're far more...
..hopeful than I.

In my opinion, the country is farther down that road than you think, and I don't think we are close to applying the brakes yet.

First, I don't see Democrats having the gumption or cohesion to "wield" anything, regardless of how facile the task is made for them. That would be breaking too far from character and modus operandi.

Secondly, as long as you have citizens nationwide opening their local paper each morning to find advice like this:
http://www.al.com/opinion/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/opinion/111381599617831.xml
then, you're probably going to have a hard time convincing them otherwise.
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 09:43 PM
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25. Frederick Clarkson thinks "The Lights are Coming on in America"
Edited on Mon Apr-18-05 09:45 PM by Cell Whitman
He thinks America is starting to see what the theopods are after. I hope he is right but I am afraid the damage is done in many ways.

http://www.frederickclarkson.com/2005/04/lights-are-coming-on-in-america.html

I agree with Joan Bokaer at Theocracywatch. She says the only piece left to the theocratic puzzle is the Supreme Court. A few years ago when I would post that we were heading for an Americanized theocracy(theofascism) I was laughed at, we are getting closer to people figuring out who is driving the bus.

Yeppers, there is a very good reason for why this is happening to our nation. Sure there are many folks involved but when you look back you see the straw that is always there stirring the theofascist drink.The one guy who said his job as "Messiah" was to revive "Christianity" to take power in America.(Rightwing Christians) He outspent Scaife to make it happen. He created the front groups to make it happen. He funded LaHaye, Falwell, Viguerie when the fell. He gave the father of the attack ad, Terry Dolan, a half million. He molded, funded and guided the religious right to power. He planned it, said he would do it, and he did it.

He BRAGS about using the Washington Times to "influence" our nation. You can't name a paper that lost 30 million a year for over a couple years and stayed in business. The estimates of the money Moon spent on the Wtimes ranges from a billion to four billion. Moon admitted in 1991 it was a billion. In one speech he said he has to "raise" 7 million a month to keep it afloat.(he made billions swindling widows in Japan to help finance this, see my blog for details)

Does anyone really think he did this because he likes conservatism? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

His agenda is much more specific than Scaife & gang's and his vision happens to be EXACTLY where we're heading. Frankly, Scaife couldn't carry Moon's jock strap when it comes to playing manipulative, high financed, hardball politics. Scaife's a cheap slug, Moon is taking the world.

Until people add two and two they will never understand what happened to our nation. imho.

check this out, he brought the Heritage Foundation into his sphere of influence years ago....just scratching the surface again...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1731037

It's not just here in the good old U. S. of A, he's all over the world. He's in front of the UN now via the Philippines proposing they add a theocratic body to the UN. Just happens to be what he said he'd do 30 years ago. Anyone still laughing? The UN is said to be laughing at him but they passed his resolution for "dialog" which allows Moon recruit for his own "peace UN" with credentials. I've seen video of the Speaker of the House of the Philippine's admitting Moon is leading this effort.

Time quoted Moon in 1976 saying "We must annihilate the UN with our power. We must make a new UN." His speeches are riddled with references to these things, but everyone laughs at him. He dresses funny and talks about "love organs." Who would worry about him? hah Folks, he has more to do with our nation's political situation than anyone, ANYONE.

Full disclosure at the bottom of this article:
http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/index.php?p=119

more on the Mediachannel article here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1725750
____

Yeppers, he's doing this stuff all over the world and NO TV reports it. Everyone should download the video found here if you are still laughing at Moon because he IS getting the last laugh, he is getting what he paid for.

Find video here see: FFWPU Introductory Video
http://www.standforfamily.org/media/index.htm

Hell, he could sell the Washington Times tomorrow, it has done its job, drive us right while Moon worked within the repub party to turn it theocratic.

Big file 46 Mb, but everyone should see it. Yes, that symbol Bush and Ford are standing behind in the video is the symbol of the Unification Church after it changed its name to the Family Federation of World Peace and Unification(FFWPU). Hey, as an added bonus, if you download it you can see Pat Boone & family serenading the Conservative's Messiah. The one who lead them out of the 40 year liberal wilderness.

Find video here see: FFWPU Introductory Video
http://www.standforfamily.org/media/index.htm

Below Bush and Ford help Moon con the nation and more importantly the world. Do you have any idea what Bush 41 shilling for Moon did for the old devil's credibility and ability to manipulate the rest of the world? HUGE.

"Well, if he's so bad, why would Bush with all that security and intel work with Father."

here are a couple stills from the video.




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Yes, there is a reason we are going theocratic. There is a reason. It is NOT the product of the free market of ideas nor any democratic process.



read and outline of who, what, where, how and WHY our nation made a wrong turn:
http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 09:56 PM
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26. Thank you Will Pitt. Especially for
"It can happen here. Unless it is stopped, right now, it will happen here".

This is the tyrant's play. It's the mother of all cheat codes. When they get to change the rules of the game, the game is theirs.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 10:03 PM
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27. Critique
Edited on Mon Apr-18-05 10:08 PM by Jack Rabbit

Imagine this scenario: A bill is introduced in the House to do away with the 22nd Amendment, which requires a President to serve no more than two terms. As this is a constitutional issue, the rules require a two-thirds majority of every state legislature to pass the bill. Thanks to the massive GOP majority in the House, this rule is done away with in the same manner the filibuster was done away with. The bill reaches the Senate, where outraged Democrats are powerless to stop its passage without the filibuster. It passes, and is placed on the desk of Mr. Bush, who happily signs his chance to serve a third, fourth or even fifth term.

This scenario is unsupportable. The Constitution would have to be amended to do away with the two-term limit for the president. First of all, it requires two-thirds of both houses of congress to approve the amendment; the president has nothing to do with the process. Second, it requires not a two-thirds majority of all state legislatures, but a simple majority of three-fourths of all the state legislatures. Neither way would it be easy to achieve. I seriously doubt that such an amendment would be ratified in time for Mr. Bush to steal a third election.

See Article 5 of the main body of the Constitution.

Crazy, right? Wrong. This is a benign hypothetical compared to the draconian legislation the Theocrats would like to see passed. Should they get their way, you will not be safe in person, thought or deed if any of these cut against the fundamentalist grain. America won’t become a land of bourkas and beheadings, probably, but if you don’t have a Bible in your hand at all times, you’ll probably lose you job and credit rating. For starters.

I have heard that the theocrats would like to have judges who make rulings based on their idea of Biblical law, but I haven't heard that my job and credit rating would be at risk for being a freethinker. It sounds like hyperbole. Could you support this with something concrete?
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 10:09 PM
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29. Question:
Why was the 22nd Amendment instituted? FDR, anyone?

I firmly believe that it CAN happen here, considering the makeup of the legislature.

My .02.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 10:19 PM
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30. It was instituted after FDR
Even Democrats decided it really wasn't a good idea to allow someone to be president for so long. They were probably right to amend the constitution for this reason, as the presidency has become the most powerful single office in what were supposed to have been co-equal branches of government.

The 22nd Amendment excluded whoever was president at the time of its ratification. That was not Roosevelt, but Truman. However, Truman, who was 68 at the end of his second term, decided not to run again. The first president to be limited to two terms was Eisenhower.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 09:24 AM
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36. It was hyperbole
:)

I swapped out the 22nd amendment example for a mandatory school prayer example. Less complicated.

Many many thanks.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 10:04 PM
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28. Thanks, I'm depressed now - I gotta call my senators tomorrow!
I'll make sure I make those calls tomorrow.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 11:15 PM
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31. We need to start/continue to lobby the fence sitters...
God doesn't pick sides, he's a popcorn guy. It's up to the carbon based life forms to get our shit together.

Whats up with the book?
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 08:18 AM
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35. I am hoping that Sen.Specter's illness
will free him to vote his conscience. He knows this is probably his last term (even if he beats his lymphoma, which I hope he does).

He has come through before, voting against the President's Medicaid cuts, he may come through now. This is someone who has been beat up by right-wing zealots - my guess is he may be willing to use this opportunity to let them know what he thinks about their little reindeer games.

We Pennsylvanians should be on top of him on this one. Fax (202-228-1229), telephone (202-224-4254) or email him.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 09:46 AM
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37. .........
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:24 AM
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38. LINK TO FINAL
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:46 AM
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40. Thanks...
good stuff.

:kick:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:29 AM
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39. I prefer 'Theo-cons'
And I wonder what percentage of them are sincere? I know one in the WH who is not.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:50 AM
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41. "Theocrats" is an existing word that works fine....
And interested folks can Google such sites as this one: www.theocracywatch.org/

I'm glad to see these guys get more publicity. And religious folks need to learn more about what is being done in their name. Most would be appalled.

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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:44 PM
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42. Excellent article and all
so VERY true. Is it a coincidence that the rise of those who represent very few actual people in this country correlates with the institution of "voting" machines without paper trails created by some EXTREME rightwing whackjobs. I really don't think so. Unfortunately, most of the citizenry and just about ALL of our so called opposition leadership sees no problem with this. Count me as one who is very very concerned. :scared:
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 05:27 PM
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44. This needs a damn
:kick:
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 07:29 PM
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45. Very vital kick.
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