How would we react if it was discovered that 9-11 was an inside job?

[mopaul]

MODS: if this needs moved, or axed, sorry to bother you.

[Swamp Rat]

1. Who says it wasn't?

[pnorman]

21. New acronym:

WSIW= "Who says it wasn't?"

pnorman

[Esra Star]

27. Why would they risk getting their hands dirty

when they can just look the other way and let it
happen.
If anything, omission not comission.
The other possibility is asleep at the wheel.

[Beam Me Up]

44. BILLIONS of reasons--and very little risk. They are getting away w/ murder

This goes way above *Bush. We're dealing with the quasi military infrastructure of the national security state itself. For some (we CAN name names), war is VERY lucrative. Cheney is most likely the chief conspirator. He and Rumsfeld have been tied into the national security infrastructure (secure communications between NORAD and Secret Service, for example) since the Reagan era.

WHY so many unanswered--hell, UNASKED--questions regarding the many 9/11 anomalies? Why the secrecy and cover-up, the derision and ridicule--and mostly deflected attention from--those who ask the questions?

It is difficult to wake up to the fact that those currently in control of the highest offices of our nation are, in fact, traitors, criminals, murderers and worse. They have an agenda and it is the overthrow of the Constitution--or, at the very least, making it a completely irrelevant historical relic--and they are well on their way to accomplishing their aim. Both ignorance of the facts and denial of the implications aids and abets them toward their goal. Until we understand that the roots of fascism, eugenics and Nazism go deep within the wealthiest and most powerful families in both the US and abroad, we will remain victims of their privilege, oppression and deception.

...knowledge brings responsibility. If we acknowledge that an inner circle of ruling elites controls the world's most powerful military and intelligence system; controls the international banking system; controls the most effective and far-reaching propaganda network in history; controls all three branches of government in the world's only superpower; and controls the technology that counts the people's votes, we might be then forced to conclude that we don't live in a particularly democratic system. And then voting and making contributions and trying to stay informed wouldn't be enough. Because then the duty of citizenship would go beyond serving as a loyal opposition, to serving as a "loyal resistance"—like the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War, except that in this case the resistance to fascism would be on the side of the national ideals, rather than the government; and a violent insurgency would not only play into the empire's hands, it would be doomed from the start.

Forming a nonviolent resistance movement, on the other hand, might mean forsaking some middle class comfort, and it would doubtless require a lot of work. It would mean educating ourselves and others about the nature of the truly apocalyptic beast we face. It would mean organizing at the most basic neighborhood level, face to face. (We cannot put our trust in the empire's technology.) It would mean reaching across turf lines and transcending single-issue politics, forming coalitions and sharing data and names and strategies, and applying energy at every level of government, local to global. It would also probably mean civil disobedience, at a time when the Bush regime is starting to classify that action as "terrorism." In the end, it may mean organizing a progressive confederacy to govern ourselves, just as our revolutionary founders formed the Continental Congress. It would mean being wise as serpents, and gentle as doves.

It would be a lot of work. It would also require critical mass. A paradigm shift.

Paranoid Shift

[KlatooBNikto]

23. It is not that they come right out and say it wasn't because that would

require them to explain why they think so.Their technique is to simply ignore that or if they do address it, to belittle the person asking the question as a Conspiracy Theorist because, as they say, how can you even think that our "Leaders" would do something so callous and mean? You are not a patriot!.

[Swamp Rat]

37. Yes, which shows they aren't as smart as they think they are.

Had Justice Department mentioned the possibility of an inside job in the very beginning, especially when everyone rallied around Dumbya, they would have had plenty of time to "solve" the crime. With the possibility of moles ruled out back then, or even "caught," Americans might be much less suspicious now. Better (worse) yet, they could have used some fall-guys here in the USA. They could have sent in a SWAT team and killed the "terrorists" before they could say anything in court. Thus, the inside-job part of the case is solved and now America has more proof that Boogieman Bin Laden and his friends did it.

:dunce:

[liberal N proud]

2. The question should be, how wold the neo-cons react if it was proved

with out any doubt that it was done from with in the bu$h regime?

I think we all know how everyone here would react with some accuracy but, would the sheep wake up?

[mhr]

3. I Thought Everyone Knew That The Fundie Sheeple Have Been

Secretly receiving "Christian Soma"(TM) via their churches.

Nothing will wake them up.

[mopaul]

5. maybe they'd justify it, for the good of the nation

maybe that's what happened, maybe they all got the plan on paper and justified it to themselves. maybe in their heads, they did it for our own good.

[Pockets]

39. That's most likely what would happen.

You might not agree with GWB, but you still have to stand behind him.

Since the WTC was in NYC, and NYC is mostly liberal, the Right would say it was self-defense or a preemptive strike against Communism.

They would say the plane that hit the Pentagon was a surgical strike against the liberal wing of that building.

[Beam Me Up]

48. I used to believe this. I no longer do.

I used to believe that the threat of Peak Oil was the "national security threat" which was used to JUSTIFY (in the minds of some) the need for a "new Pearl Harbor catalyzing event."

However, I've now come to doubt Peak Oil itself. Understand, I'm not prepared to debate whether Peak Oil is or is not a cataclysmic reality that is about to bring and abrupt end to civilization as we know it. I'm only talking about what I 'believe' based partly on things I've read, partly on 'instinct' or 'gut feeling' and partly on just LOOKING at the way things are going down.

For example, I'm NOBODY--and I've known for 30 years that if we built a complex, energy hungry civilization on non-renewable resources, we were courting inevitable disaster. We were all talking about this back then, remember?

But what happened to all the bright ideas about renewable energy? If Peak Oil IS a reality, why WOULDN'T the elites want to retool the energy infrastructure of our society? Thirty years was plenty of time to do it. BUT THEY DIDN'T.

Now, one can tally that up to greed and stupidity; the former I'll certainly allow but the latter--I don't think those who run the national security state are stupid, do you?

Now, on the other hand, if it turns out that we've been LIED TO all along (and as I know you know, MoPaul, being lied to by these folks is THE WAY THEY OPERATE) about how hydrocarbons are formed in the Earth--THEN we have a very different ball game. Suddenly the situation isn't about the limited quantity of hydrocarbons--BUT ABOUT THE CENTRALIZED CONTROL OF THE ENERGY MARKET--upon which their wealth and global political hegemony depends.

They MUST maintain the ILLUSION of hydrocarbon scarcity in order to control the market and thereby maintain their hegemony.

It may be that we have, indeed, consumed the so-called "low hanging fruit"--the hydrocarbons that are easily available to our current drilling technologies. But if hydrocarbons are not biological in their origin and there are large reserves deeper within the planet--and if the technology for accessing it is already in the hands of an 'enemy of western capitalism'--and if that technology can be developed and shared with other nations who would like to be free of western oil hegemony...

A lot of IFs, I confess, but this is how it is beginning to look to me.

A couple more IFs: If I'm right, this doesn't get us out of VERY troubled waters but it does give us room for hope that REAL CHANGE may actually be possible. IF I'm right, other than greed and hegemony, THERE IS NO CRITICAL NATIONAL EMERGENCY TO JUSIFY THE SHOCK AND AWE OF 9/11.

[indepat]

17. The sheep will never ever wake up and it matters not what is done

[booksenkatz]

4. Most Americans would...

probably say, "That's awful! But that's just the way politicians are, you know." Then they'd reach over to grab another handful of Cheetohs and channel surf over to their favorite TV show, which is due to come on in a few minutes, so hush, now, because this show is really awesome.

[oblivious]

15. or "Why those bastards!" Now, what's for dinner?

[dbt]

6. First, "we" would move this thread to the 9/11 Forum.

Procedure uber alles!

:evilgrin:

[mmonk]

7. We here wouldn't be any different

and the average Joe Citizen will either miss it (probably won't be on TV) or believe it.

[mopaul]

8. some folks would rather just accept the official white house version

because they wouldn't lie to us would they? and it's so complicated.

[indepat]

19. They would never lie to us and every iniative is undertaken with "promote

the general welfare" doctrine in mind: making America better for all Americans is their aim and goal.

[jus_the_facts]

9. in light of the assassination of JFK...they used the same exact tactics...

...on 9/11 with the exact same agenda...the parallels are undeniable...and the ones who benefitted most are the very same as well...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1728785&mesg_id=1730491

[mopaul]

13. and, both events were designed to be unsolvable...n/t

[ArkDem]

28. I don't remember them crashing an airplane into JFK. Maybe

the news coverage was different here.

[jus_the_facts]

29. read the link posted...and this one too.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1728785&mesg_id=1730491

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1728785&mesg_id=1730582&page=

.....then get back to me....

[ArkDem]

34. Threads from DU as reference....

:wow:

[KlatooBNikto]

10. Remember we live in times when our illusions are sacred and the truth

profane.The more we assume we are unique and our leaders are virtuous men and women incapable of being corrupted by power, the more likely it is that events like 9/11 will be foisted upon us.Our leaders, such as they are, have played mind games on us on a massive scale and we are trapped by our own failings and prejudices.So, expect denials from ordinary citizens that only the Arabs are capable of such heinous acts, not our virtuous leaders.

[mopaul]

11. we're all being played

it's all a huge ugly hoax. this ain't where we're supposed to be at this point in time.

[Beam Me Up]

49. I really wish you'd take the time to tell us what you mean by that!

this ain't where we're supposed to be at this point in time.

Seriously, I'd REALLY like to hear what you mean by that. Where do you believe we are "supposed" to be. Is there ANY WAY to get THERE from HERE, do you think?

[burn the bush]

12. the more I learn the more I am convinced that it WAS an inside job

once you are able to face that, it's easy to believe anthing disgusting about our faux leaders.

I hope when the rest of our country figures it out, the hog tie the bastards, tar and feather them, shame them from office and imprison them in one of our finest Iraqi prisons where they will be prison bitchs for Baghdad Bob.

[DIKB]

14. No change here.

Most here fall into the LIHOP or MIHOP crowd. I'm fairly certain it was an inside job. If irrefutable evidence came forward, I would gloat without an ounce of shame. "I saw the writing on the wall. How could you not?"

Probly get T-shirts made too :)

[MiniMe]

16. They would ignore the evidence and say the Dems made it up.

[Doctor_J]

18. We'd switch the channel over to Jacko's trial

and say a prayer for George W. Bush to guide us through these turbulent times.

Big media would go into propaganda overdrive

[leesa]

20. It WAS an inside job. No doubt.

[mattclearing]

22. I seem to remember being pissed off when I heard.

What, you don't think it's happened yet?

[TheLastMohican]

24. Somehow the foreigners now this from day 1

The similarities with Pearl Harbor are too striking, only the U.S. sheeple would believe into something like Osama Bin Forgotten scam.

[ArkDem]

50. What else do they now?

[newportdadde]

25. Depends... is the NFL season going on when they find out?

[blogslut]

26. They let it happen

That's pretty damned horrific in itself.

[mopaul]

30. just as horrific as if they MADE it happen in my book

saying they let it happen may be true, but it almost lessens the horror of it. to me, one is just as horrific as the other.

but people do seem to have placed it into several levels in their own minds. some beieve the official story, some mihop, some lihop,
some have serious doubts, and you'll find them all here at DU.

like you say, either way, it's damned horrific

[Bridget Burke]

35. Yes.

Why didn't the news media go nuts when Condi talked about that security briefing in August, 2001?

"RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

Gosh, let's give her a promotion!

[Lerkfish]

31. Just look at who benefits. Without 9/11, would we have the republican

neocon theocracy we know (don't) enjoy?

[drdtroit]

32. Isn't someone getting a blow-job? n/t

[donsu]

33. we've already discovered that

nt

[thecai]

36. I Won't Act Surprised

I suspected it from the first moment. Just days prior to 9/11, my neighbor and I discussed "corrupt leaders allowing a disaster or terrorist act as an excuse to take over, as Hitler did with the Reichstag Fire".
Hitler's Enabling Act is nearly identical to the unP.A.T.R.I.O.T. Acts.

[Triana]

38. It WAS an inside job...

...and it will never be 'discovered'. You don't think they're gonna let THAT happen, do ya? HA!

[Pockets]

40. At some point,

they may want to drive home how much control they have over us.

[Lone Pawn]

41. Skeptically.

That's a damn big allegation.

[Minstrel Boy]

42. It wouldn't change a damn thing.

Most Americans know, and have known for a long time, that elements of their own government conspired to kill their president. And what have Americans done about it?

The Martin Luther King Jr wrongful death civil trial found for conspiracy, involving elements of the American government. And what have Americans done about it?

The Iraq war was founded on a lie so brazen the president can even joke about it. ("Nope, no weapons of mass destruction under here!") And what have Americans done about it?

If most Americans come to the realization that those entrusted with their protection conspired in the murder of their wives, husbands, children, parents, friends and fellow citizens on 9/11, it wouldn't change a thing. It would become part of the great tapestry of American dissonance. It would join the cottage industry of conspiracy entertainment, because that's all such ugly truths are allowed to be in America. High Crimes are for dark amusement, not for solving, and not for justice.

[Generator]

43. Well we know it was plotted inside this country with help

from people inside this country and people in countries that we make all nicey nice with like Pakistan.

So the question is really only how high up does it go and WHO knew WHAT WHEN. (see basic journalism, stuff)

Really-anybody should spend a week researching this on line and your brain will never be the same. That's what I did. After I realized they lied about the Iraq war and kept on lying.

Hey-I've watched TV for years- I know that the basic premise is if they lie about one thing-they will lie about anything.

It's horrific but it's not exactly a secret. It's just too much for most people. But I hate LIES. So I'm not going to lie to myself too and pretend it all makes sense when any fool can see there are a thousand unasked and unanswered questions.

[leftofthedial]

45. I already assume it was

By "we" do you mean run-of-the-mill Murkans?

[spanone]

46. Aren't you glad that Saddam is gone?????? (sarcasm)

[MrSlayer]

47. I would react in an "I told you so" fashion.

Would be no surprise as I believe that is what happened.

[jojo54]

51. It's been a conspiracy theory thought of mine for awhile

but of course, no one will be able to prove it. All the paper work has been shredded and all the insiders have been brainwashed. :tinfoilhat: