DailyKos: Quantico Search Reveals NO Guckert USMC Records (Gannongate)

[sabra]

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/14/8341/89426

Quantico Search Reveals NO Guckert USMC Records
by ePluribus Media
Thu Apr 14th, 2005 at 05:03:41 PDT

ePluribus Media
James Dale Guckert, aka "Jeff Gannon," never served in the United States Marine Corps, according to the Personnel Management Support Branch located at Marine Corps Base Quantico (MCBQ).

ePluribus Media volunteer researcher RenaRF visited the Virginia base March 30, 2005, and requested a hand search of all records, as recommended by Marine Corps lead archive technician Armando Nunez after he failed to find files on Guckert in response to a Freedom of Information Act request submitted last month and documented in a previous diary.

The hand search was conducted by Quantico staff member Delores Smith, who accessed computerized records from 1995-2005 and an additional 15 years' worth of archived microfiche files dating back to 1980, the year Guckert graduated from college. (He graduated from high school in 1975.)

The searches at Quantico were conducted by Social Security number, as well as by birth date and last name, with no hits on any combination of the criteria in either the computerized or microfiche records.

At the completion of the search, Smith stated that Guckert had never served in the United States Marine Corps.

Guckert's Claims of Military Service


I enlisted in the military more as a challenge to myself than anything, but got so much more than I ever expected. I learned the importance of self-discipline and self-reliance.

In many circles, I have become known as "the conservative guy". Some people don't even remember my name because I am an average type guy. I've been a preppie, a yuppie, blue-collar, green-collar and white-collar. I've served in the military ....
And from military.com via Philly Online (registration required for military.com):
James D Guckert
Rank: E-4 Corporal
Service: Marine Corps
Status: Inactive Res/Guard (not drilling)


And then there's the marketing of "Bulldog," aka "Jeff," aka James D. Guckert, on an escort site turned up by Americablog in February:


When asked what USMCPT meant, Paul said he asked Jeff that very question. The answer: United States Marine Corps, Part Time. Paul recalls Jeff telling him he was still in the Marines, but only part time.
Ex-USMC Jock: Available for hourly, overnight, weekend or longer travel - OUT ONLY!

If Guckert now wishes to change his "patriotic" claim of Marine Corps service to ... say ... the Navy Seals, ePluribus Media would be willing to follow-up on that as well.

It's amazing what you can accomplish with more than 800 volunteer investigators.

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[Inland]

1. Coincidence: turns out my last hooker wasn't a catholic schoolgirl at all.

Sick of the lies, the lies!

[Patiod]

22. ROTFLMAO!!!

Great line!

[specimenfred1984]

40. Double ROTFLMAO!

That's funny!

[jhain]

39. HE HEE HEEEEEEEEE

lost a tortilla chip to that line!

Thanks!

Oh, JimmyDale , JD, Jeffie Boy, Bull Dog Person, we hardly knew ye.

Maybe he /they is/are a /some clone/s gone over to the dark side of repub ville.
-J

[jbnow]

45. I'm smiling...

Had I only known the power when I was a Catholic schoolgirl!

My daughter-in-law was telling us at a gathering about trying to speed up the relationship. She loved my son and he was taking it too slow, seeing her as a friend. She found the perfect Halloween costume and figured if this didn't do it nothing would.
She knew it worked when his jaw dropped and he just stared for a while on seeing her in it.

Many potential costumes flashed through my mind, but not the one it was. A Catholic schoolgirl. All the men got it right away.

But, hey, she fooled him too. She is not even Catholic. More lies!

[hvn_nbr_2]

47. I laughed out loud at work

Kind of hoped someone would come around to see what I was laughing at, but no one did.
:rofl:

[whistle]

2. Oooops!

....Jeff Guckert says, "Those records have to be someplace. I'll get back to you on that."

[donco6]

5. Try looking in the hidey hole where . . .

Bush's military records are hidden.

[stanwyck]

18. Hey, that tactic worked for Bush

and he still hasn't "gotten back to us."

[SpiralHawk]

48. Maybe Bush and Guckert "teamed up" on the same Unit

They seem to have equally specious military careers.

That could explain why neither "man" can get a grip on "his" "records."

[FreedomAngel82]

31. LOL

Maybe they did to him like they did to Bush and destroyed them. Heh heh. I'm not surprised at all.

[MsTryska]

3. Part Time eh?

Marines are conditioned to think of PT as Physical Training.


just like they use the head, sleep in a rack and write with an inkstick.

[MADem]

4. Check his high school!!!!!

He probably was in "Junior ROTC" which is not military service, it's a program designed to introduce kids to military life. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

Another GOP war hero...why am I unsurprised?

[donco6]

7. Don't you think this would really piss off

genuine military folk? I can't think of anything much lower than to make a false claim of being in the military.

[MADem]

9. From my personal perspective, YES, it does

And he aggravates the offense by claiming service in the USMC, which is not a walk in the park on a good day.

[stanwyck]

11. My son will be glad to hear Guckert/Gannon was

not a Marine. Since my son is. A Marine who voted for Kerry. And who was totally embarrassed by the whole Guckert/Marine story.

[flyarm]

15. actually a Major League Manager was fired for

lying and saying he was in vietnam , when he wasn't..

lying about service is a very foolish thing to do, it is so easy to prove if someone was or wasn't , with a little leg work and a social security number!

everything about this gannon/guckert is a lie..
Congresswoman slaughter (d-ny) said the other day his college records don't square with his statements either!

if you look at my other post please take the tiem to listen to rusty nelsons interview from a couple days ago...something is going to blow open big time with this sometime soon!!


fly

[FreedomAngel82]

32. I wonder if

Anderson Cooper would take up this story? He talked about this whole ordeal a good bit.

[MrScorpio]

42. I spent 22 years in uniform - Of course this pisses me off

The asshole has NO honor

[Ernesto]

50. As an ol' crotch creature, this doesn't really fire me up too much

Guess I must just be getting used to all the lying that these fucking repukes seem to live for.

[jmowreader]

55. The Hierarchy of Scum

There is a definite Lowlife Hierarchy at work here.

Falsely claiming to be a Soldier, Sailor or Airman is very bad but it is less bad than...

Falsely claiming to be a Marine, which is less bad than...

Falsely claiming to be in the infantry, which is less bad than...

Falsely claiming to be a special operator (SEAL, Marine Force Recon, Army Ranger, Army Special Forces, Army DELTA), which is less bad than...

Falsely claiming to hold an award for gallantry in combat, which is less bad than...

Falsely claiming to be a POW, which is less bad than...

Falsely claiming to hold the Medal of Honor. The last is so bad it's a federal offense just to falsely claim that you hold the MoH.

[tavalon]

62. How about

making a false claim of being in the military to get Johns and then becoming a fake reporter so you can get into the WH press corp and lob softball questions at a fascist President? I think that might be even lower. ;)

[grannylib]

63. If they're not pissed about having a deserter as Commander in Thief,

this will be small potatoes.
If W HAD served, there would be military men in DROVES coming out of the woodwork to 'prove' he was where he was supposed to be; they haven't, he wasn't, and because CBS failed to check facts, the real story about Chimpy's desertion gets buried.
The 'Pukes don't care. They would if they really were about honor and integrity and personal responsibility and all that shit they like to talk about...but they're hollow on all of it. Empty words to go with empty heads, empty hearts and big blank empty stinking rancid places where souls ought to be.

[FreedomAngel82]

74. Yep

True. I remember this last election the group "Texans for Truth" had out a bid that if you can prove that Bush was in the guard with you and he was there you would recieve $10,000. A few people tried to but they were false claims. Notice how Bush has tried to get away from talking about it. He just says the same old song and dance. How people have tried to prove he was AWOL and haven't yet etc. Never mind how the records have blobs over names and/or words and have been destroyed.

[okieinpain]

83. oh, no but you see he's a repug, so that makes everything ok.

[BrainRants]

6. Maybe his definition of "In the Marines" is different than ours?

n/t

[MADem]

8. Naughty, but massively FUNNY! Touche! n/t

[KaryninMiami]

10. Maybe what he meant to say was that he "Did the Marines"....

Or perhaps he "spent time with some Marines"....

[kittenpants]

19. that is too funny.

exactly 9 inches in the marines *shudder*

[jayctravis]

46. (ahem)....

"8.5, cut" into the Marines.

[EFerrari]

23. Omigod, fly

:rofl:

[flyarm]

25. very funny!!! lol!!!!!!!!!!! hey sfexpat!! howya doin?? n/t

[EFerrari]

26. You made Doug laugh and that's really hard!

:hi:

[Sparkly]

54. Hah--- A different kind of "service?" n/t

[flyarm]

12. wonderful job!!

cong slaughter said the same thing...no military service...

its amazing that the ( laughing here) "real media" couldn't find this info out!!

And yet the "real media" is doing everything it can to slime blogs and just regualr american folks who are willing to do the leg work that the "real media" can't seem to get itself to do..isn't it?

please listen to rusty nelson on this link i am providing..go 1/2 way through first hour for start up with him, but pay attention to close to the end of the 2nd hour..and hear an astonishing claim that something big is going to come out of all of this! This interview was a couple days ago!

http://www.4acloserlook.com/gannon.html

go half way through the first section

April 12, 2005 - A Closer Look World Exclusive -- Michael Corbin interviews Rusty Nelson. Nelson was Larry King's photographer. This shocking expose covers the activities in Omaha, Nebraska. Nelson discusses Johnny Gosch and Jeff Gannon. 1st Hour 2nd Hour 3rd Hour


fly

[burn the bush]

13. maybe we should be checking for prison records?

[dbeach]

14. Another wanna be warmonger...

what a bunch of imposters..BUT what do ya expect from the Yale cheerleader with the "gentlemans C " grades whommmmm became a NG deserter and an Illegal WH Occupant.

This admin disgraces every Real Veteran and Patriot in US History..


CHIKENHAWKS every one of em!!

[flyarm]

20. and with every passing day , veterans loose

benefits..important benefits, and yet military people will still support this * admin..why?? why do people vote against themselves??

and you watch when this all blows open ..the bombs will start flying into iran..because the american people are so dang dumbed down...

what will it take? when will real americans accept responsibility for their own welfare.??

when will americans finally say..thats enough of the lies?

so we cross ourselves and genuflect , and that makes the lies ok??

so we put religous stuff on network tv and now we are holy??

the religous right has taken our country further and further into a murderous bloodbath daily , and yet they think they are holy??


when will you and i say that's enough..when will we go to rotary clubs and our neighboorhoods and say thats enough..and start educating people..

all we need to do is take a piece of paper for one day and write down all the lies, take it to your neighborhood and ask people..is this really ok with you??
take it to your church and ask the same questions..is it ok with you??

but it is many of our own dems who do not want to believe!!

i was at a dem meeting yesterday and got into a huge word war with another dem..who said everything i was saying about the * lies was just not true ..because msm didnt tell her so!!

so i have spent last night compling so much stuff..but going to send in small batches , because this dem lady needs a wake up call!!

we can all do this..we all know too much to just keep reguritating it to each other..we must take this out to the people..

just my 2 cents worth!

fly

[dbeach]

37. Speaking out before the goons tighten the USA ..

into the clap trap that will benfit only them..the privleged blue blooded elites..

These scions of privlege are implementing with the PEOPLES money the police state of their dreams which will ensure their welath at our expense..
There can be no compromise with these criminal elites most of whom are todays pols
I get the message out to nearly everyone in my life and I have lots of Veteran pals...
Y
ou have witnessed since 11/00 the greatest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the uber rich in HISTORY.

WAR tax cuts for the ubers..WAR ... benefits cut..WAR ..more tax breaks for ubers..WAR ect...

FEAR to keep the crowds controlled...

[stanwyck]

16. "people don't remember my name"

that should have raised a red flag right there. After boot camp, infantry training, MOS school, then tours of duty...there should be hundreds of other Marines who remember your name. Even if you're "an average type guy".
Like Bush, where are the photos? The letters? The "band of brothers"? Do you know how often soldiers take pictures of each other? Even before digital cameras....my father has at least 50 photos of himself with friends during WWII.
Yet Bush and Guckert/Gannon have zip...other than that one well-publicized photo of Dubya by his jet...the one Papa had taken so he could send to all the newspapers with the puff piece on his son.

What fakes these people are.

[flyarm]

21. my father in law ..until his

death last year was still in contact with guys from his boot camp during ww2

my husband was in the ng and he still is in contact with all the guys he was in boot camp with ..in fact one is today the highest ranking enlisted soldier in the army! and hubby and he communicate to this very day..in fact hubby was invited to a ceremony of this guy giving him the highest ranking award ( sorry i dont know the terms) just 2 years ago.

and that was from vietnam era..

so i am sorry but when someone says people won't remember them..i say ..poppycock!!

fly

[FreedomAngel82]

36. Pretty neat

And I remember the "Texans for Truth" had a commercial about Bush and his military days and how he claimed to be apart of the Alabama national guard and this guy was saying how he called up a buddy from that time and asked him if he remembered if Bush was in their guard and they said no since they surely would've remembered him there.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. Exactly

And with Bush I remember the "Texans for Truth" group put up a reward for thousands of bucks for ANYBODY who had proof that Bush did his military service. I think one or two people tried to claim proof but it was a proven they had no proof.

[stanwyck]

41. A guy named Calhoun from here in Georgia

claimed to have served with Bush in Alabama. Only the time Calhoun, who recounted stories of joking around with Bush, said he served with Bush was before Bush had even put in a for a transfer from Texas.

[FreedomAngel82]

75. So how could that have been??

Sorry about the double post earlier.

[stanwyck]

78. Easy

Calhoun simply lied.
Again, he had no proof of Bush being in Alabama. No photos of himself with Bush. Nothing.
But he distinctly "remembered" Bush. Though Bush was still in Texas.
His memory is as good as the Swiftboat Liars.

[tridim]

17. Maybe he's a super-soldier experiment gone horribly wrong?

It's pretty obvious to me that he's lying about his military service. It seems that most military folks love to talk about their service, their friends and their unit. He's never said a word about it. Nothing about this guy is "as it seems", so far it appears that his entire life is one big lie. I watched the panel on CSPAN the other day, and he simply could not tell the truth.

[flyarm]

24. gannon has a plan, but his plan to out people is falling apart..

by the day./.he needs to speed up whatever his plan is because this is a dangerous game he is playing...

he needs to speed it up..and do what he is going to do, what he has been planning to do..before all his credibility is gone and no one will believe what it is he is attempting to do!

gannon /guckert if you are out there...

the dangerous game you are playing will get you..get it out now!! before they have the bombs ready to hit iran and cover you in darkness!!

fly

[Bethany Rockafella]

33. Maybe he's one of those universal soldiers?

Top Secret.

[libertypirate]

43. Well that would definately align with what I have been reading...

The truth is not only stranger then fiction. It's extreemly frightening to know what we as a people have done!

[Must_B_Free]

27. United States Male Corporate Prostitute, Part Time

[BrainRants]

28. There's no such thing as a "Part Time Marine"

A Marine is a Marine 24x7 for life.

I'm a Navy vet (or Squid, which is a lower form of Marine life...just ask any Marine) and IMHO anyone found impersonating a veteran should be immediately enlisted, gay or not.

THAT'S called supporting the troops, not a fucking yellow magnet making some Chinese magnet manufacturer rich.

edit: spelling

[dancingme]

29. Today's Briefing Question

Does the President think that "journalists" who pretend to be marines deserve a pass to the White House press room?

[Bethany Rockafella]

30. That's why we should never tell a lie.

It always come back to bite you.

[smiley_glad_hands]

34. Was he not a member of TKE fraternity also?eom

[gordianot]

38. Semper Lie.

[ohio_liberal]

44. Impersonating a member of the military is a no-no

Impersonating an Officer/Enlisted Military Member

Report allegations of impersonation of a military member to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service

http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/ig/Complaints%20(G-M).htm#Impersonating%20an%20Officer/Enlisted

[DulceDecorum]

61. There is at least one other half-nekkid pornster

out there impersonating a Marine.
I was in the middle of busting him down,
when someone here,
claiming to be a genuine Marine,
rescued that skanky ass.

The nekkid man is linked to JeffJames "recruiter" Bruce Walker.

[lateo]

49. USMCPT? PT?

There is no part-time designation of any sort that I know of.

[jmowreader]

51. I know about the USMCR

which is the United States Marine Corps Reserve (the organization that runs Toys for Tots), but USMCPT isn't exactly ringing a bell.

[lateo]

57. That is what I mean...

Anyone who has been in the military KNOWS it is the Reserves...not "Part Time"

So obvious this should have been caught long ago.

[Nothing Without Hope]

52. He's a fake journalist, a fake marine - maybe he's a fake gay too?

His ads emphasized that he was ONLY a top. Entrapment of closeted homosexuals with subsequent blackmail is a long-used ploy in espionage. I've assumed he's an agent from the first.

[Catherine Vincent]

58. In my opinion....

Fake journalist, fake marine, fake gay and fake conservative.

[gordianot]

59. There is that possibility.

Elements in the intelligence community who have an ax to grind. This guy has an anonymous life surely someone somewhere knows him.

[DulceDecorum]

64. JeffJames was positively reviewed on an escort site.

That is how we all got to know his, um, attributes.

The way I understand it, that site was run by a person who passed away on March 2, 2005. His name was Hooboy and his website functioned as a "Better Business Bureau" for gay male escorts.
You were nobody until you had been reviewed on male4malescorts.
Apparently Hooboy would contact the reviewer and verify the details and so forth. In other words, it was not all that easy to fake a review WITHOUT a willing accomplice.

JeffJames has now managed to convince 21 Republican Congressmen to come between him and a thorough probing.

Why did they suppress evidence that would show who helped a gay prostitute evade Secret Service background checks and gain compromising access to the President of the United States? Why are these 21 Republicans so desperate to keep "Bulldog's" secrets?
http://www.agitprops.org/gannon.html

Therefore JeffJames should not have had much difficulty in persuading someone somewhere to attest to his prowess.
Who knows what is really going on?

Why is JeffJames being protected as carefully as Noelle Bush?
And WHO is his daddy?

[EFerrari]

93. (humming, not saying anything, just humming . . .) n/t

[blm]

53. And THIS guy claims Kerry didn't serve honorably in Vietnam?

.

[EVDebs]

56. If this guy was 'sheep-dipped' ....well, we'll never know for sure.

Black ops b.s. Just more lies and 'thru the looking glass stuff'. Nothing out of the ordinary, considering The Finders and the intelligence ties they have. Congressman Rose couldn't even get a straight answer on his investigation of that scandal....

[DemonFighterLives]

60. I think his significant other was a Marine

When he wished to influence friends, he would say " we're marines".
I have known military wives and families to ascribe to this terminology. Means his boyfriends were military.
:hide:
Just remembered the old high school joke. Let's play army. I'll lay down and you can blow the hell out of me.
Did I say that?

[youspeakmylanguage]

65. I hate to burst some of your bubbles...

...but this paints JimmyJeff as more of a blowhard and sham unworthy of the continued attention. It also makes any sort of conspiracy among the bushites less likely.

Do any of you seriously believe that they would conspire with a person as blatantly ridiculous as this?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - this guy is not worth the attention, positive or negative, that he is receiving. He is thriving on it, and sooner or later he will capitalize on it. Just let him rot in obscurity

[Bouncy Ball]

67. You're not bursting any bubbles.

He is yet another example of right wing hypocrisy, lies, and sleaze.

And some people take lying about military service VERY seriously.

[youspeakmylanguage]

72. Good point about the military service...

...but the man already refuses to admit he was a gay hooker when entire websites have been uncovered, so I doubt he'll admit to lying about this.

[Bouncy Ball]

73. It's far easier to prove he WASN'T in the military than to prove he

was/is a gay hooker.

[FreedomAngel82]

77. Of course not

He'll blame "liberal bloggers." :eyes:

[merh]

68. They have been conspiraring - or haven't you been paying attention?

No eeducation, no experience, no credentials, male escort naked photos on the web, yet allowed into the white house without the proper clearance and no on will investigate who let him in and why. No, no conspiracy at all! :silly:

BTW -- welcome to DU! :hi:

[youspeakmylanguage]

70. Giving someone preferential treatment...

..because they're a partisan hack isn't a conspiracy - that's how Washington works. They kept giving him day passes because he wrote what they wanted him to write and he was willing to do it for free. They didn't give him a hard pass and he apparently never asked for one, so they had no reason to dig deeper in his past than they did.

I could easily see someone whispering in Chimpy's ear, "Call on the guy that looks like a giant penis. He's a friendly! We've been letting him sit in for months."

JimmyJeff appears to be exactly what he is - a stooge and a moron basking in his quasi-celebrity and seeking a way to exploit it.

[merh]

79. WRONG --

You can't get within 10 feet of the pres without first being properly vetted by the SS & FBI - that he wasn't properly vetted, that his background was not throughly investigated and that he was given that ever so innocent "preferential" treatment as you mischaracterize it, is in and of itself a conspiracy and scandal.

Mata Hara has nothing on this guy. You and others may want to characterize him as a stooge, but in doing so, you give a "pass" to the administration that is up to its ass in scandals. I will not be so kind and forgiving. He is not the stooge that you try to make him out to be and neither are many in the government and on this forum. Peddle your wares elsewhere, I am not buying.

[youspeakmylanguage]

84. We want to give him a "pass"...

...precisely BECAUSE the administration is "up to it's ass in scandals." If billions are being wasted in Iraq and war criminals are being rewarded with cushy positions within our government, we need to put the pressure on people over that, not whether or not a male whore was in the white house briefing room. I don't CARE about Guckert - I care about my rights, my civil liberties, and my tax dollars.

[merh]

85. If the male whore in the white house chips away at their freakin'

ivory tower of Xian morals and values, if said male whore proves that they have stooped so low as to hire their boy toy as a "journalist" because they don't believe they can be touched, if said male escort proves that they think they are above the laws of man and God, then more power to the boy toy. You don't care about your rights, if you did, you would be screaming at the top of your lungs about the hypocrites in office who don't practice what they preach. They speak of morals and values and democracy at the same time they wage illegal and immoral wars in an attempt to colonize and christianize another land and another people; at the same time they restrict my rights and pursue "political opponents" for various mock crimes;at the same time they waste my tax dollars pursuing and persecuting their political foes in an effort to maintain control; at the same time they waste my tax dollars paying the press to promote their twisted, distorted and evil agendas; at the same time they waste my tax dollars paying off their political cronies; at the same time they close their eyes to their own crimes.

The waste of time is not calling them on every crime they commit; the waste of time is letting them and their deceptive ways have a pass because it seems innocent or insignificant. Nothing is innocent when it is based upon lies, crimes, and a prevision of my nation and an abuse of her people and her laws. NOTHING!!

[youspeakmylanguage]

87. Take a deep breath, then count to 10...

I'm angry about the same things you are angry about, but I'm a realist. If we are going to win back any amount of significant power in our government, we need to stay focused on the issues that matter.

The average voter does not care about Guckert - most of them probably have no idea who he is. But they will care when a medical emergency cripples them financially and they have less power fighting off the collection agencies. They will care when they discover how tight a stranglehold China has on the US Economy. They will care when a gallon of gas reaches 3 dollars a gallon.

If you want to rant and rave over Guckert, please do so. He loves the attention. But the rest of us need to focus our energy on the issues that matter.

[merh]

88. You are not a realist, Guckert/Gannon is the issue - it proves their

lies and their distortion of the "values" they profess makes them a part of and leaders of the moral majority. Please tell me what you have done to focus attention on anything?

It has been said that to bring these bastards down we have to have a video tape of the weed doing a goat or a child in the oval office. Well, maybe gannon is just that source.

Or did you forget about monica and the cigar and how that was investigated and how that negatively impacted our party?

[youspeakmylanguage]

89. Maybe I don't want us to sink to their level...

Sorry, post was too nasty, in more than one way. I lost my temper a little bit.

Believe what you want, bro. Peace.

[merh]

92. Have you ever tried to kill mildew and scum?

To properly clean it you have to use strong detergents or bleach and you have to find the source and clean from the source out. Merely painting over it or removing the top layer will not do the trick, it will just keep coming back. You have to get down and dirty to properly clean the scum, you have to use elbow grease and all sorts of harsh tactics to destroy the mildew and scum, just like the scum that is killing our nation.

That is what this administration and the corrupt BFEE is, the scum of our society whose evil deeds and practices have gone on for years, unchecked and unfettered. The evil of the '80's was white washed over and removed from sight, but not destroyed at the source, so that evil has spread and has sullied my beloved nation and all she stands for. Thousands have died at the hands of the evil bastards and because of their lies and immoral ways, yet they stand as the party of values and morals.

Like a weed in a garden, chopping off that which is exposed to the human eye will not destroy the weed, the weed will continue to live and it will come back, destroying the beautiful garden and all the healthy living plants. The weed has to be destroyed at the base, at its root. That is why weed is so appropriate for the clown-n-chief and his family. They are weeds and to just take swipes at them, to just trim away their outer evil is not enough, we have to get down on our hands and knees and get dirty and yes, get down on their level if we have to, to adequately eradicate their evil.

In Poppy's times scandals were uncovered and were reported and then overlooked or white washed over. The evil that was his admin was not destroyed, it was covered over and has strengthened behind the weak efforts to combat them. The BFEE is evil and we have to sink to their level to get to the roots and to find the source to finally put an end to their corruption, lies and hate.

[EFerrari]

82. You asked:

"Do any of you seriously believe that they would conspire with a person as blatantly ridiculous as this?"

And I wonder, do you seriously think that they care what you or I think is "ridiculous"?

Just asking. :)

[youspeakmylanguage]

90. While Chimpy may be on the slow side...

...the people that worked to get him where he is aren't. I don't seriously believe that anyone with any power or clout in the Bush administration would have taken Guckert seriously enough to use him in a plot.

Maybe ridiculous was the wrong word. How about idiotic?

[EFerrari]

91. I think they will use anyone and anything 'cause there are

no real consequences for them if things go badly :(

[Bouncy Ball]

66. Lying about being in the military is DISGUSTING

but then, what else would I expect from a right wing freakazoid hypocrite?

They're ALL disgusting lying sleazebags.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

69. Maybe he meant he serviced the Marine Corps, part-time??? n/t

[LynneSin]

71. Freepers to rally in support of Jeff's military career

[cap]

76. why is it that he could run a search on james guckert easily but not

one on GW Bush's time in service?

[EFerrari]

86. NATIONAL SECURITY! TERROR! What, you didn't get the memo? : )

[hector459]

80. Time to put "Gannogate" back in the news.

I don't think we should let this go. Now that the economy is going sour, people will begin to pay more attention to all the Bush negatives.

[Catherine Vincent]

81. When will it come out that Gannon had plastic surgery done?