Army Earth Day 2005 - WTF!

[no_to_war_economy]

from Department of Army

" Soldiers are the Army’s most precious resource. They can be most effective only when we provide them the means to prepare for action. We must provide them a realistic training environment in which they can test their equipment, hone their skills, and prepare for combat. They deserve a healthy environment in which they and their families can live safely. We must nurture the environment with an eye toward
partnerships so that our neighbors understand and support our mission. "

http://aec.army.mil/usaec/publicaffairs/earthday05message.pdf



?? did anyone tell these yahoos about the Depleted Uranium bombs and bullets / they are fucking up the environment for the next 4.5 billion years * http://www.miltoxproj.org/depleted_uranium.htm

[BlueEyedSon]

1. This is a joke, right?

:wtf:

[no_to_war_economy]

2. NO photoshop was used in the making of this thread

http://aec.army.mil/usaec/publicaffairs/earthday00.html

[EFerrari]

3. Jesus. This is an Amber alert for the minds of our people.

"We are a nation at war."

Sure, because Bu$co made is so. And, there are going to be many grieving parents when the du and the forced vaccines come home to roost.

A special hell for those people at MendacityCentral who seduce our young people.

[SouthernDem2004]

4. Sooooo, you are against the Army trying to be more environmentally

friendly? Enough with thte DU propaganda. There is only one place on Earth contaminated by DU and that is here in the U.S.

[BlueEyedSon]

5. So you buy this blatantly false Army propaganda?

Puh-lease!
:crazy:

[SouthernDem2004]

17. Reply:

Well I worked with the stuff in the Army. I know just a tad about it.

So you buy the anti-DU propaganda? puh-lease!

[no_to_war_economy]

8. more DU propaganda

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0515/p01s02-woiq.html



CONTAMINATED SITES: Monitor correspondent Scott Peterson uses a radiation detector to test contamination levels of an Iraqi tank destroyed by US depleted uranium bullets.

[SouthernDem2004]

16. Did I have to mention credible? I guess I do. Well...

There is only ONE contaminated site in the world, uno. After ever battle an Army team test a site, followed by a Pentagon team which is eventually followed by a U.N. team. Guess what, found nothing.

Does DU give off radiation? Yes but so does your TV and Cell phone.

Is it potentially dangerous? Oh heck yea. That is why we monitor it.

Has it been a problem yet? Only at the weapons test site here in the U.S.

I can find you links to anti-DU people that say the amount of DU used was between 1000 and 2000 tons. There are even people that give higher numbers. Not correct but who really cares huh?

[Mr. Flibble]

6. Anybody know what basic training does?

It strips you of your identity via severe humiliation and stress. (the same tactics CULTS use.)

Then they build you up in their bidding.

I wanted to enlist but found out that (a) the severity of the process (oh, I've yet to go into details) is brutal and (b) pre-existing health conditions would prevent me.

If they need people to go, why not just let them in, fly them over, give them a gun?

[pocket]

10. genius idea!

who needs training?

[cynatnite]

13. I'm sure the many vets...

Including me, would vehemently disagree with your assessment of basic training, which you admitted, to never having gone through.

If that was true, many of us might still be 'robots' in the military. In fact, if it was true, the military would NOT be suffering the problems it is today. Every soldier would be reinlisting over and over again.

Do you want some untrained idiot having a gun without the first clue in how to use it or the other numerous weapons used to fight wars with?

[EFerrari]

15. No, I want that untrained idiot to put down the gun

and go back to Kennebunkport where he belongs. Sheeeeesh.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. I'm a vet who does agree with his assessment.

That the training doesn't always take doesn't make the methodology the military uses any less a fact. At least that methodology was certainly true in marine boot camp in '61.

[cynatnite]

21. I'll just wait for the brainwashed cult military soldiers to speak up

/sarsasm off

There is a methodology when it comes to basic training. I've been through it and so has a lot of other people that are still in and others out, but it to say they are brainwashed is just a moronic thing to say that has no basis in fact.

I know little about the marine corp. Their basic is much longer and more thorough from what I have been told.

What I get pissed off on DU is there is a tendency to bash the military. Even if someone was a clerk serving at Fort Bragg and sits behind a desk it's somehow construed as being an accessory to murder. Puhlease! :eyes:

I'm a vet, my husband's a vet, my dad, uncles, grandfathers, cousins and more. We are a military family who has served, bled and died in every war since the revolutionary war. When it comes to serving and doing our duty we take it very seriously. Some of the rhetoric I've read on DU is downright offensive, but I usually say very little.

This time I did because what the orignal poster said was an outright lie whether he/she knows it or not.

The fault lies with those in power who choose to abuse our military to the extent that if a real threat on our country were to come we would not have the ability to defend ourselves. That's where the blame lies and that's where my anger is directed at.

[NoPasaran]

7. It's mostly the Air Force that uses depleted uranium

The Army blows things up (and blows them up real good I might add) the old fashioned way, with high explosives.

[BlueEyedSon]

11. Bradley vehicles are armed with DU munitions, IIRC.

[jmowreader]

22. Most tank rounds are DU

It's called a sabot round. Basically, make a dowel out of DU, put a pointy end and some fins on it, make a little carrier for it (that comes off when it gets out of the barrel) so it won't rattle around in the tank cannon barrel, and glue it to a 20-pound block of gunpowder with an electrically-fired igniter. When you set the gunpowder off, the dowel comes out the end of the cannon going 6000 mph. When that hits a tank, it's going through. These rounds used to be made from tungsten and most other nations still use tungsten penetrators, but we like DU because it kills tanks better.

Tankers can carry a few "other" rounds (mostly high explosive fragmentation in case they have to blow up something that's not a tank), but mostly they carry DU sabot rounds.

IIRC the Air Force's major use of DU is in rounds for the A-10. The Army uses them in 120mm tank rounds and 25mm Bradley rounds--and there are LOTS more tanks and Bradleys than there are A-10s.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Sort of like "Pimps for Women's Rights"

Talk about "double-speak". George Orwell must be guffawing in his grave.

[InternalDialogue]

12. And 35th Anniversary Army Earth Day at that!

I remember when my mom used to take me to those first carefree Army Earth Day celebrations when I was little. Of course, back then the soldiers didn't wear their torso balloons like this guy, but it was a simpler time.

[BlueEyedSon]

14. LMFAO

[adwon]

19. I wouldn't mock it reflexively

There is a growing awareness, maybe 15 years old at most, that the military has an obligation not to pollute its bases and the areas surrounding those bases. Unfortunately, it's my understanding that some of this effort has been rolled back over the last few years under the general standard of 'fighting terror.'

Regarding depleted uranium...

The army initiative isn't aimed at battlefields, it's aimed at its bases. Pointing out that hypocrisy can be right and good, but I wouldn't discount the entire idea. Cheer what they do right and criticize what they do wrong.

Oh, bear in mind, to the best of my knowledge, that the NRC does not recognize depleted uranium as a serious health hazard. As NRC regulations are controlling in this area, I think focussing on changing that policy would be of greater benefit than lambasting the army. Just my opinion.

[EFerrari]

20. Cheer what they do right and criticize what they do wrong.

Refreshing. Good points, all.