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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:08 PM
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Atheists/ agnostics: Can you run for office in your state?
Appears to be 11 states/commonswealths that so forbid:
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConstitutions2.htm
NC, SC, TN, KY, FL, MA, CT, PA, TN, MD, TX; I feel like going and running for governor as an atheist just to challenge its constitutionality.

I'm not going to go and check the individual constitutions of these states; I'm willing to trust the website above at least for argument's sake. If you live in one of these states and don't think they ban atheists (MA & CT, say), feel free to seek second opinions.

Anyway, whaddayasay?
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:11 PM
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1. nope i am here in NC
and what a crock that is.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:20 PM
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2. SC here; maybe we can do a North-South atheist/agnostic gubernatorial run
"What a crock" is right.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:26 PM
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3. I'll back you on that one
Edited on Mon Apr-11-05 04:28 PM by RPM
i am ashamed to see PA on that list...

on edit: we need to get that shit out of there (growing more angry by the moment)
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Mr. Blonde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:28 PM
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5. And I was surprised to not see Oklahoma on the list
Not that I don't think it is a de facto rule that you better be churched. Preferably Southern Baptist.
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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 05:19 PM
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13. I would have at least expected
Arkansas to be on the list, oh well, guess i can run :)
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:33 PM
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7. This IS the internets we're talking about
Edited on Mon Apr-11-05 04:38 PM by undisclosedlocation
The only place that everybody appears to agree still requires adherence to the Christian faith is this one here: SC. Most sites mention Texas but not definitively. The site above is the only one to mention this many states, but inasmuch as the person compiling the list appears to be unable to count to 11, my confidence in them is somewhat limited. Still it's an interesting question. Don't get too angry though until you confirm that the language is still in the Pennsylvania constitution.
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Jesus Saves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:27 PM
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4. These are lawsuits waiting to happen - I have a hard time
believing these law exist. The Constitution says no religious test shall be given to hold office - it flat out says it.

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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:19 PM
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17. It exists in MA
Edited on Mon Apr-11-05 09:04 PM by YankeyMCC
And I'm surprised also:

http://www.mass.gov/legis/const.htm#cart090.htm

On edit: I found the amendment that removes the xian requirement but it's still required that you swear an oath to god.

Unless you're a Quaker
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bobd Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:32 PM
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6. As An Atheist I KNOW That I'm
Edited on Mon Apr-11-05 04:35 PM by bobd
a persona non-grata practical everywhere. Publicly out atheists cannot, and will NEVER be allowed to hold any sort office in any state ever, ever, ever, ever.

The US has become a rancid, fucked country that prides itself on claptrap christianity - the right-wing kind. We'll be among the first to be hauled off to the death camps by our god-fearing, and loving christian neighbors and family members.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:37 PM
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8. Well there was one...
Edited on Mon Apr-11-05 04:39 PM by undisclosedlocation
Culbert L. Olson, elected governor of California in 1938:
http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/roots/olson/
Also, apparently Jesse Ventura blasted organized religion in a Playboy interview while in office. Believe me, I know, these are the exceptions that prove the rule.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 05:36 PM
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15. I can't imagine an openly atheist getting elected gov today.
And Jesse made his remarks after he was elected. I doubt he would have been elected if he had said those things during the campaign.

It is sad to think that California of the 1930s may have been more accepting than today.
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CAMANY Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:39 PM
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9. You can run for office in any state
the constitution CLEARLY says no religious test shall be given.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:49 PM
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12. I can run for office in any state if unconstitutional provisions of state
law or in this case the state constitution are overturned, which is what I said in the original post. Unfortunately, the Constitution Fairy doesn't come along and magically blink away such provisions; they have to be challenged in court. Overdue, don't you think?
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:42 PM
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10. Sooooooo disappointing...
Atheists can't even be on some juries. Sure, it gets you out of jury duty, but that's not the point. I guess people in this country feel afraid of Atheists and equate that they are the opposite of god and thus unable to make a moral decision in court. Unfortunately they don't realize that decisions in court aren't made on moral grounds, but on legal grounds.

There are only a few thousand of us in the whole world, can't they just leave us the fuck alone and let us be equal instead of demonizing us constantly?

Atheism isn't the opposite of God, like darkness isn't the opposite of light, it is the absense of light, and thus Atheism is merely the absense of God.

Yeesh, it's not hard to figure out.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:47 PM
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18. Now that would be unconstitutional
because defendants have a right to a jury of their peers.
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:45 PM
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11. And Christians consider theirselves persecuted
Try being an Atheist.
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MollyStark Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 05:23 PM
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14. You should run
That's a great idea.
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pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 05:40 PM
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16. This Christian...
...stands firmly opposed to any religious test to hold office or exercise any other right of a US citizen.

And, for what it's worth, I've always preferred the company of thinking atheists than thoughtless Christians.
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SteveG Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 09:12 PM
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19. TORCASO v. WATKINS, 367 U.S. 488 (1961)
The Supreme Court invalidated all of these state requirements in this decision. They may still be in the State Constitutions but they don't mean nothing......

http://members.aol.com/TestOath/Torcaso.htm
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