"Our kids deserve the TRUTH about Evolution"

[mopaul]

http://www.cfra.info/163/petition.asp

The Action:
The Center for Reclaiming America has launched a national petition to rally 100,000 citizens immediately to oppose this federal court edict and insist that evolution be taught as a theory, not fact, in our schools. The “Our Kids Deserve The Truth” petition has three goals:

INSIST that evolution be taught as a theory, not a fact.

DEFEND school administrators, teachers, parents and students that stand up for truthful teaching about evolution.

SUPPORT legislative and school board efforts to ensure that our kids are taught the truth about evolution and promote Objective Origins in school curriculum.
We are also launching a national awareness campaign targeting millions with the “Our Kids Deserve the Truth” message. Also, through this grassroots effort, we want to empower citizens with the resources they need to effectively challenge school boards—leading them to adopt the Objective Origins curriculum.

[KlatooBNikto]

1. The best way to teach them is to show that our President is still evolving

[atommom]

16. If only he were.

I think he's an evolutionary dead end...

[KlatooBNikto]

31. He has evolved from a Neanderthal to an ape. Don't know what his

next stage is going to be.

[atommom]

35. Blood-sucking lamprey? Those are pretty primitive...

The sea lamprey is an agressive parasite -- equipped with a tooth-filled mouth that flares open at the end of its eel-like body.

[sportndandy]

2. Evolution IS a theory.

A time tested theory which has withstood countless challenges, and has been described as the keystone of modern Biology. It cannot be "proven" in the same sense that the Dan Rather Bush memo cannot be "authenticated". But saying it cannot be proven definitively does not make it less valid.

Creationism, on the other hand, is a myth. That does not mean it didn't happen, but the only evidence available is faith.

[whistle]

7. Can't be proven, well just take your kids to a variety of dog shows

...each year and watch how the theory of "Creationism" is applied by these millionaire dog breeders. Creationism is bullshit science! It's designed to keep the masses ignorant and mired in superstition and false beliefs so that they will be dependent and submissive on religious doctrine and controlling theocratic leaders.

[smoogatz]

8. It's a myth like any other myth

And "happened" in the same sense that any other creation myth happened: metaphorically.

[stopbush]

19. Check a dictionary:

the·o·ry
Pronunciation: 'thE-&-rE, 'thi(-&)r-E
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ries
Etymology: Late Latin theoria, from Greek theOria, from theOrein
1 : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2 : abstract thought : SPECULATION
3 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
4 a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances -- often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
5 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <wave theory of light>
6 a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : CONJECTURE c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>
synonym see HYPOTHESIS

Just because the creationists are TOO STUPID to realize that the application of the term "theory" when related to science has little to do with conjecture doesn't mean the rest of us have to be as stupid.

Following the creationists' STUPIDITY, I could show you the fence in my backyard and aver that it was traffic-ing in stolen merchandise.

They're such assholes.

[smoogatz]

21. Creationism is a myth, I meant.

I didn't make myself clear.

[stopbush]

22. Thanks for the clarification.

[wtmusic]

10. Evolution is a fact

Evolution has been observed in laboratory experiment, unlike that other fairy tale which is based on a 3000-year old fairy tale.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fact

Creationism is not even a theory. A theory can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. Care to predict what creature God will create next?

[ladjf]

23. Creationsim is a notion. That's it. End of story.

[FreedomAngel82]

42. Something I wonder

Has anybody ever tried to prove Creationism? Not that I know of so I was just wondering.

[megatherium]

13. Exactly.

The facts are that the Earth is thousands of millions of years old; that life has developed from simpler forms and that all life has decended from common ancestors.

Young-Earth creationists dispute these facts. No one outside evanglical/fundamentalist churches takes them seriously.

There's a new breed of creationist, known as intelligent design theorists. They acknowledge deep geological time and they acknowledge descent with modification from common origins. But they dispute mechanisms, claiming that the hand of a creator had to have been at work through all of this, especially in the biochemical origins of the very first single-celled life forms. They claim Darwinism (chance plus necessity, variation and selection) cannot create new information. They claim this these ideas are scientifically novel but their work rarely appears in mainstream journals.

Armed with a significant amount of conservative funding, the new creationists have gotten a lot of attention, writing best-selling books promoting their ideas. This has re-invigorated efforts to stop teaching evolution in the schools. To the extent they succeed, they prove the power of politics over science, and they damage science in this country.

on edit: typo

[RC]

14. Evolution is a FACT.

How it works is the theory part.
We need to get this straight. It strengthens the argument also.
Evolution has been a proven, verifiable fact for something like 150 years. The Theory part is how Evolution works.

Creationism is nothing more than another religious distortion with intent to control the masses and keep them ignorant.

[seabeyond]

17. doesnt mean it didnt happen. per bible earth 6000 years old

isnt that what it would equal. yet they found a mammoth in calif half a million years old

how can we even say, doesnt mean it didnt happen. doesnt all fact establish that the earth is more than 6000 years old. so doesnt it prove this myth didnt happen, or not in the way we interpret the bible in a literal sense anyway

[SouthernDem2004]

30. Do not like the Rather anaolgy. Rather is a moron and the memo was fake.

[NoPasaran]

33. Horseshit

Rather is a distinguished journalist and the memo has never been demonstrated to be a forgery.

[SouthernDem2004]

37. Witty reply but:

You have it backwards on the memo. It should have been proven accurate. No point in rehashing all the problems with it but it was clearly garbage that should never had been aired. The stupid thing did about as much harm to us as the swift boat ads.

Rather's rep is in the toilet.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

38. as is yours IMHO..did you make a wrong turn back at the fork?

[SouthernDem2004]

39. Afraid I do not understand. Are you actually saying the memo is credible?

[FreedomAngel82]

40. Agreed

The same way with the Creationisim. There's more proof with evolution then Creationism. I get so fed up with these people.

[GOPFighter]

3. Damn right, our kids deserve the truth about evolution!

So why are these assholes trying to prevent it??!

[FreedomAngel82]

43. Because

just like the Bush family they have their warped view of the truth.

[TahitiNut]

4. Since when has anyone told children the truth?

:eyes:

[smoogatz]

5. It's all so Orwellian

Now they're calling creationism "Objective Origins." As if it was anything other than the LEAST objective teaching in the world--i.e., strict Biblical literalism. How perverse.

[chicagojoe]

6. If people want to teach creationism at

their homes and churches, so be it. In science,however, we need to stick with the most provable theories.

[madrchsod]

9. it`s a fund raiser for their moranic theory of

religion and life. basing all of your "beliefs" on a history of an ancient Semite tribe is moranic. it`s a good way to raise money,isn`t it?

[Discord]

11. We should start a petition to KEEP schools teaching

Evolution in schools as it is the most scientifically accurate, and carries the ability to support itself.

Creationism 101:

Teacher: God created the Heavens and the Earth.

Student: How did God do that?

Teacher: He just did ok. The Bible said so, so it must be true.

Student: So where did God create the Heavens?

Teacher: Thats not for us to know in this life. Just know that you wont get to Heaven unless you believe every word I'm telling you.

Student: That sounds kinda scary...

Teacher: Just wait til we get to the chapter on Hell, Fire, and Brimstone... and stop asking so many questions. We have alot of ground to cover.

Teacher: Ok. On the seventh day, God rested. Thats why its a sin to work on Sundays, and why you kids don't have to go to school on Sundays!!! (big smile from teacher)

Class: (whistles and applause from the class and various comments heard about the classroom)

Teacher: (noticing that the puzzled looking student in the front was not clapping asks...) , aren't you happy to not have to come to school on Sundays?

Puzzled student: Of course, but how come we get Saturdays off too? God was working on the sixth day.

Teacher: (pleasantly) Well, some Godless people thought that people should have to work less, they didn't understand that idle hands do the Devils work. But, being good Christians, we made a compromise, and agreed to let them have Saturdays off too. But just because you don't have to go to school those days, you should involve yourself with studying the Bible or helping your parents out by doing extra chores.

Puzzled student: Oh, ok... (still looking puzzled but remaining quiet)

Teacher: A while later, God created Adam, and Eve. To whom all light skinned humans were born from. So you see, we are all related because we all have the same original parents. So we're really like a big family! Thats why we should treat each other well, as long as they have accepted God and live without sin. (smiles broadly)

Puzzled Student2: Ummm... I don't get it... I went to the museum the other day, they had fossils of dinosaurs and said they were millions of years old. They also said that people like us have only been here for tens of thousands of years. How could that be?

Teacher: (looking clearly agitated) Its those damn lying evolutionists. All those fossils you saw we're made of nothing but plaster. The bones they claim to have could be anything, have they ever SEEN a dinosaur? I don't think so. There is an explanation for this explained in the next chapter. Its called the Intelligent Design. As you can see, your textbooks are almost new and we're graciously donated to the school by . They contain the new chapters covering this incredible discovery by top philosophers.

Puzzled Student2: hmmmm, ok...

Teacher: Ok class, turn to page 42 in your textbooks. You'll see some essay questions, read the chapter and answer those questions for your homework assignment. If you have any trouble, go to the back of your textbooks and read the section titled. "How to creatively interpret the Bible."

BELL RINGS

[Pepperbelly]

12. I'm open-minded but at the same time ...

I wish these kind folk would get their FUCKING terms right. And if they would just pony up so data for me to chew on, I would be a lot less adament in my opinion that they don't have a clue about the subject of which they speak.

[Botany]

15. Science in science classes? Never! All Jesus all the time!

Evolution = the change in gene frequency divided by time (i.e. nature is not static)

Not their is a God or their isn't a God. What do these people fear the truth?
God might have given us brains for a reason.

[FreedomAngel82]

44. Yes

We have freewill from God. We're not all zombie's. It's up to us to decide what to believe and what not to believe. That's why when you do believe in God and Christ it's a great thing because it was YOUR choice. Just like it's your choice to not believe in anything spiritual no matter if it's Christian or Jewish or whatever. God left the mystery up to us to figure out. To evolve and to question and to explore. God didn't make us mindless robots that inserted things in our mind.

[Toots]

18. Without evolution we would not have nuclear fusion

We use the same techniques in Carbon dating that we use in splitting the atom. We could not have one without the other...Both are done at the atomic level.

[seabeyond]

20. my smart encyclopedia reading kid told me men have an xtra rib

what i say........this kid is put up in the way smart, on national tests. read encyclopedias forever. his favorite books

told me this the other day. 9 years old. i had no idea. not sure when this was given to him or how

they went to religious school up til last nov and i pulled them out and put them in public. i put my foot down to academically teaching kids incorrect information, facts. they change history. they teach liderals evil. they lie about dems. i told the person running school, the bottom line, this is an academic enviroment, has to be fact based, and correct........lordy

i did not know that they taught creationism as fact. i did not know adults believed it as fact until last fall. i had to test it out and asked an educated, from ny fundie living in texas if creationism was a fact. she said yes. i truly sat there for the next half hour and listened to such bullshit to allow her story be true. we bottomlined it to, you plug year ears on fact, age of planet so you can believe your story

yes she says

school does not get to teach my kids a story to make a silly parent happy, comforted, less afraid their world is being challenged

[FreedomAngel82]

46. I'm with you

I'd rather home school my kids then send them to where they will learn this bullshit. Especially if they are going around telling lies about me (as a liberal democrat). What they want to do is they want to get every school a private Christian school to where nobody will be able to think for themselves. If you do question authority it will be hell for you.

[seabeyond]

50. the upside, the christians have come a long way in a very short time

under the radar. i really think, once people see how far this has gone, they will really be knocked on their ass. we have been watching it step by step.

we will still be standing, wink

i found though, having a child in this atmosphere, was their ability to continue to be love, yet easily learn to hear the non truth. that is why i was so surprised to hear son say this. but, it has really given us a lot too in character. wouldnt trade this lesson in for anything. we are free now, in public school that too feels good

a higher in all things, our choice how we want to live something. and htat is the best lesson for kids

[Avalux]

24. Faith over Fact

That's the direction these extremists are trying to take our country and it's scaring the hell out of me. The movement to discredit science in general (not just evolution) and the lack of critical thinking in our schools is raising a nation of lemmings.

There's a reason evolution has been around for 150 years. There's nothing else to challenge it. Unfortunately that little fact isn't important to a lot of people.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Yep

It's just like with Bush and his intelligence for Iraq. He just had faith in the intelligence. Turned out he was wrong. There's a reason why you don't just trust faith a lone. You should have faith but you also have to be realistic. If you know you're wrong you're wrong.

[Inland]

25. Telling the truth? Hmmm...

I don't know. Radical notion. What's in it for me?

[Jesus Saves]

26. They should take a cue from the Pope

who was open to the science of evolution. Google it if you want proof.

[beyurslf]

27. Evolution is taught as a theory.... as opposed to ID which is not even

a hypothesis at this point. A hypothesis is an idea which has been tested by its originator, at a minimum. ID is not testable and therefore can not be anything in the "science" field.

[beyurslf]

28. Evolution is taught as a theory.... as opposed to ID which is not even

a hypothesis at this point. A hypothesis is an idea which has been tested by its originator, at a minimum. ID is not testable and therefore can not be anything in the "science" field.

[XemaSab]

29. Morans

I really don't understand how people can be so opposed to the idea of evolution. It's appalling that we're fighting the same damn fight in 2005.

Reading their crappy ass petition, this is at the bottom:

Other issues important to you (check all that apply):
Pro-life issues
Supreme Court/judicial tyranny
Stopping Pornography
Defending the Ten Commandments
Stopping the ACLU's agenda

Damn them!

[FreedomAngel82]

48. Of course they aren't

It doesn't directly involve God or Christians.

[amjucsc]

32. Can we start a counter group? nt

[Lone Pawn]

34. Scientifically speaking, Natural Selection is a theory,

Evolution is a fact, and Intelligent Design is not even a theory yet.

[LSdemocrat]

36. Yes, our kids really do deserve the truth about evolution

Science should be left to the scientists and not narrow-minded fundamentalist ideologues.

[OrlandoGator]

41. Gravity is an unproven theory, too.

I think these people should fight to have Newton's equations removed from all physics books, too.

[Mutley]

45. yes!

it is really the invisible hand of God that keeps us all from floating out into space!!!

[WillyT]

49. I Think... They Should Take A Long Walk, Off A Short Ledge, Of...

a tall building.

Could prove gravity, and meet their god, in one fell swoop... sort of.

:shrug: