God dammit, God dammit, God dammit

[WilliamPitt]

Top story on the Times website:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/10/national/nationalspecial3/10terror.html?hp&ex=1113105600&en=dd00a6f625e4c6f7&ei=5094&partner=homepage

U.S. Seeks Access to Bank Records to Deter Terror
By ERIC LICHTBLAU

Published: April 10, 2005

WASHINGTON, April 9 - The Bush administration is developing a plan to give the government access to possibly hundreds of millions of international banking records in an effort to trace and deter terrorist financing, even as many bankers say they already feel besieged by government antiterrorism rules that they consider overly burdensome.

The initiative, as conceived by a working group within the Treasury Department, would vastly expand the government's database of financial transactions by gaining access to logs of international wire transfers into and out of American banks. Such overseas transactions were used by the Sept. 11 hijackers to wire more than $130,000, officials said, and are still believed to be vulnerable to terrorist financiers.

Government officials said in interviews that the effort, which grew out of a brief, little-noticed provision in the intelligence reform bill passed by Congress in December, would give them the tools to track leads on specific suspects and, more broadly, to analyze patterns in terrorist financing and other financial crimes. They said they were mindful of privacy concerns that such a system is likely to provoke and wanted to include safeguards to prevent misuse of what would amount to an enormous cache of financial records.

...more...

Bill Clinton tried to do this in 1996, along with many other important anti-terror actions, with his omnibus terrorism bill. Phil Gramm, head of the Banking Committee, killed the idea and termed it 'totalitarian.' In truth, Gramm killed the bill on behalf of one of his Texas constituents. You might have heard of them: 'Enron' was their name. Seems the Enron boys were using the same offshore financial loopholes to launder their stolen money that terrorists use to route their cash.

Phil Gramm, Enron and 1996...one of the many reasons why, had Clinton been listened to, there probably would still be two huge towers looming over New York City.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. Yeah and it was JOHN KERRY'S BILL!

[blm]

12. A real bill that attacked the global terror financial networks like BCCI

was crafted by Kerry for Clinton.

The focking GOP rallied around to protect the REAL terrorist banks and their corporate cronies and put every obstacle they could in the way of REAL terror money tracking, and 9-11 happened because of it.

I would bet that THIS bill by BushInc goes after individuals more than their banking buddies like the Saudis.

I will also bet that BushInc has quietly transferred all of their money and the records of their friends into other banks BEFORE they put up this bill.

[Poiuyt]

18. Does anyone wonder why Kerry didn't campaign on BCCI?

[blm]

19. I only heard that Shrum said people didn't "get it"....I call HORSESHIT

on that, because I am certain that, post9-11, people "get" that the funding of terrorism through international financial institutions is a bad thing.

And Kerry TOTALLY had the high road on that, because Georgie Boy was making deals off the same terror banks that Kerry was working to close down.
While Bush was selling his Harken shares to Salem Bin Laden, Kerry's investigation led to Salem Bin Laden being put under house arrest. And Usama Bin Laden lost a few million when Kerry's work forced the closure of BCCI.

BCCI is STILL an issue. The BCCI-Bank of England trial has been going on in England for over a year.

The recent revelations about Pakistan and AQ Khan peddling nuclear secrets and materials is nothing new to those who paid attention to BCCI. Pakistan was doing alot of arms trading and money laundering through BCCI, including nuclear arms. Kerry's report listed outstanding questions on certain deals and Pakistan was one of its main targets.

There is no doubt that Bush1's administration knew ALL about it and supported it covertly. Bush2 will assure that all the evidence gets sanitized, covered up or destroyed.

[jen4clark]

22. 'cuz he likes being alive? n/t

[BlueIris]

38. My new favorite poster.

I'm sorry, I know this makes me sound like kind of an asshole, but I LIKE KERRY ALIVE, TOO. His untimely suicide, plane/freak car crash, inexplicable heart attack or inopperable cancer would not have done The Cause or his campaign one bit of good.

[Zhade]

28. I DO I DO I DO I DO I DO I DO I DO I DO I DO I DO I DO I DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've always wondered this - I really, really respect Kerry's work on IranContra and BCCI, and wondered WTF he didn't run on it, when there are criminals FROM IC in this administration!

[sandnsea]

31. Daniel Ortega??

I always wondered if he steered clear of all of that because of his support for Daniel Ortega who turned around and buddied up to the Soviets.

Or maybe because Democrats were just as stinky in BCCI, it would have ended up a wash or possibly even hurt the party more than the Bushies. Look how Bush came out on Vietnam.

I have no idea, just throwing ideas out to try to understand it too.

[blm]

35. Could also be that the GOP woulda screamed "Kerry vs. St Ronald" using

their media mouthpieces to fuel that talking point.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

21. LOL!!! Rock on nsma and blm! KERRY LIVES!

I'm still lurking around, but glad to see the Kerry corps as loyal as ever!
O.K.... back to KerryUnderground for me.

[MelissaB]

2. SOB, SOB, SOB!

What the hell is wrong with these people?

:grr:

[barb162]

3. If I'm not mistaken Phil Gramm's wife was on the Enron board,

has a masters in Economics, but knew NOTHING about what was happening at the store. I recall Phil G. was passing a lot of pro-Enron legislation at the time. I keep wondering (right!) why the Ken Lay trial doesn't start (a PhD in economics who also didn't know what was happening at the store) until 2006. I think Phil G. is up to his neck in the Enron mess and the longer that trial is delayed the better the GOP likes it. Yes, too bad they didn't go along with Clinton on a lot of his anti-terrorism calls. They fought him every step of the way.

[goodboy]

4. If you're worried, Will, send me all your cash in small, unmarked, non-

consecutive bills, and I'll find a safe place for it.

[passy]

5. Can't they already do this with Echelon?

http://www.echelonwatch.org/ not much left of the site but it explains what Echelon is at least.

[BrotherBuzz]

17. Brother, Brother beware

Just avoid using the following words and you won't trip the Eshelon computer sniffer (the terrorist are doing the same):

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[vogonjiltz]

23. I'll bet alarm bells are going off right now...

What would happen if we all posted those words at once?

[BrotherBuzz]

27. Yes, let's give them something to talk about...

although I think the effect would not be unlike today's car alarms we hear daily; ignored by and large. Flies are ignored, too, but then they do eventually have their effect.

[TalkingDog]

26. I see a Lounge contest in the making....

Challenge:

Who can write a short-short story using the words listed by Brother Buzz adding as few additional words as possible?

Best story wins.

[BrotherBuzz]

29. Hell, Will Pitt can do it in one sentence...

On the hood of his car. ;)

[i miss america]

37. Bubba the Love Sponge???

[HysteryDiagnosis]

6. Clinton been listened to

What was done about any of this?? My opinion.. nothing.

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-11-04/discussion.cgi.53.html
There was unusually heavy trading in airline and insurance stocks several days before Sept.11, which essentially bet on a drop in the worth of the stocks.

It was reported by the Interdisciplinary Center, a counter-terrorism think tank involving former Israeli intelligence officers, that insiders made nearly $16 million profit by short selling shares in American and United Airlines, the two airlines that suffered hijacking, and the investment firm of Morgan Stanley, which occupied 22 floors of the WTC.

Apparently none of the suspicious transactions could be traced to bin Laden because this news item quietly dropped from sight, leaving many people wondering if it tracked back to American firms or intelligence agencies.

Most of these transactions were handled primarily by Deutsche Bank-A.B.Brown, a firm which until 1998 was chaired by A. B."Buzzy" Krongard, who later became executive director of the CIA.

More serious was an article in the Sept. 28, 2001 edition of the Washington Post stating that officials with the instant messaging firm of Odigo in New York confirmed that two employees in Israel received text messages warning of an attack on the WTC two hours before the planes crashed into the buildings!

The firm's vice president of sales and marketing, Alex Diamandis said it was possible that the warning was sent to other Odigo members, but they had not received any reports of such.

[jbnow]

32. The financial irregularities unexplored have really bothered me

Of course the extremely heavy volume of "put options"only on companies and airlines about to be affected by the terrorism. The Chicago Board Options Exchange and the Securities and Exchange Commission launched investigations. No answers. The government gave a vague thing about normal fluctuations. Oh that isn't even possible, this was glaringly abnormal.

It was noted right away in mainstream media. There was also a huge increase in credit card charges of cards monitored by a company in twin towers in the hours before attack (bigger then a Christmas Eve). While owners of the stock could be identified it was thought those who used cards could not. But great luck- about 40 disk drives were found nearly intact and a German computer company that specialized in recovering information stored on hard drives were able to retrieve nearly 100 percent. This was all reported.

I waited to hear more but was patient, we'd probably use it to prove who had prior knowledge, it would be revealed soon.

And it still hasn't been. It has not been released, the media quit talking about it, it's as though it didn't happen or didn't matter.

This isn't...subjective, theory. Our war on terror ought to include the many who obviously knew it was coming. Answers besides shrugs should be demanded.
It was the one thing that made me know they are hiding big things.

There are hundreds of links but here is one that covers a lot.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/HEN204B.html
Massive pre-attack 'insider trading' offer authorities hottest trail to accomplices

[mistertrickster]

33. Actually, I read a couple of months after this was reported that the

whole schmere was just "a mistake." No short selling took place at all.

Sounded just a little too convenient, but what are you gonna do when the people who know won't tell you?

[Trajan]

7. Huge sigh ....

Our goodly world, the ideal one we pretend existed, is gone forever .. isnt it ? ...

We cannot even pretend anymore .... We are surrounded by crooks and miscreants: we call them Senator, Representative, Mr. Secretary, and Mr. President ....

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

8. Why am I not surprised?

Shit like this made my decision to leave the country easy.

And by the way, the Brits don't exactly enjoy getting fingerprinted at US immigration control (nor, I assume, do other nationalities.)

[Technowitch]

9. It gets worse, Mr. Pitt

Not sure if you've seen this one:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/09/nyregion/09suicide.html

Title:
"Teachers and Classmates Express Outrage at Arrest of Girl, 16, as a Terrorist Threat"

Frankly, I'm frightened...

[MadisonProgressive]

10. maybe we should give them unfeterred access to lake michigan

to try to identify the people that peed in the lake!:puke:

[rodeodance]

11. little-noticed provision in the intelligence reform bill passed by Congres

I swear-no one reads these bills

[KoKo]

13. "Damned the Torpedo's Full Speed Ahead!" Bush Agenda on Steroids!

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[radwriter0555]

14. patently FALSE. Clinton's policies had NOTHING to do with the crimes of

the bush regime and the PNAC in their efforts to bring about 911.

[leftofthedial]

15. it is amazing watching the greatest crime syndicate in history

operate and get away with it.

the shit they did during the reagan administration should have put most of them in prison forever or worse and yet here they are again, ripping off trillions this time instead of billions.

[teryang]

20. You are so right

How can people be so freakin ignorant?

[leftofthedial]

25. it's easy

so that's what they do

[Zhade]

30. Prison? These traitors should be HUNG for their crimes.

After a fair trial, of course.

[BlueIris]

39. Oh, I know. It has actually reached that point with me.

And before Bush became "president" I was unconditionally against the death penalty under any circumstances (even for war criminals). I guess it's different when you see your own nation's leader committing and then glorifying war crimes. On CNN.

[Oilwellian]

16. OK, so they get access to bank records

What the hell difference will it make? They KNEW General Ahmed from Pakistan wired Atta $100 grand just weeks before 911 and they allowed him to quietly resign. No demands on Pakistan to arrest him and put him on trial as a terrorist. He just quietly faded away into the sunset.

Bush has NO desire to go after those who finance the terrorists. I suspect there's something else going on here.

[Gold Metal Flake]

24. OK, Mr. Gawdammit...

How about someone putting together a listing os ALL the Clinton-era anti-terror bills defeated by the repukes in Congress. Lets lay it all out in one place, and cut and paste until our fingers bleed!

What say ye?

[Rex]

34. Control of the movement of money to and from the US

They probably finished the TIA project and are placing stock on the outcome of Iraq in a secret shadow market.

[lonestarnot]

36. I presume there was discussion of this while Mr. President Clinton slept

on the floor of the plane last week...Is that why it is now being given attention?