Last photo of Pope John Paul II

[mopaul]

[HereSince1628]

1. Can someone explain the M for Mary that was with the cross on the lid

to the coffin?

I'm not Catholic, and don't remember seeing that before. Was it because JPII belonged to some special order or something?

[fob]

2. It stands for Mopaul.

edit, As in next in line, Pope John Mopaul I!

[DustMolecule]

4. LOL (eom)

[scarletwoman]

5. As you said, the 'M' stands for Mary, "Mother of God" as she is called in

the Roman Catholic Church.

Pope John-Paul had a special devotion to Mary. He lost his own mother as young child, and turned to Mary as his heavenly mother.

The 'M' on his casket honors that relationship.

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[onehandle]

6. The same symbol on the reverse of a "Miraculous Medal".

The Meaning of the Back Side of the Miraculous Medal

The twelve stars can refer to the Apostles, who represent the entire Church as it surrounds Mary. They also recall the vision of Saint John, writer of the Book of Revelation (12:1), in which “a great sign appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of 12 stars.” The cross can symbolize Christ and our redemption, with the bar under the cross a sign of the earth. The “M” stands for Mary, and the interleaving of her initial and the cross shows Mary’s close involvement with Jesus and our world. In this we see Mary’s part in our salvation and her role as mother of the Church. The two hearts represent the love of Jesus and Mary for us. (See also Lk 2:35).

[FreedomAngel82]

8. Interesting

I knew he lost his mother and that's a nice story of how he was with Mary. :) I hope he's resting after all his work.

[NashVegas]

9. I'm Surprised the Baptists (or whoever) Aren't Having Fits

over "Mary worship."

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[onehandle]

21. How expert of you. nt

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[NashVegas]

37. God's a Busy Guy

I'm not only lapsed, I'm outright collapsed. ie, not of the faith. But I like this little system and if I were a practicing Catholic, I'd use it.

God's a busy guy. So's Jesus. What Catholics do is reach out to "advocates" if you will, so as not to hog up God's time.

No one can be as good as God, or Jaysus. But they can try to be as good as another imperfect human who was good enough to be named a saint.

[kliljedahl]

19. You saw it upside down

It was a "W" because he thought so much of him.


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[fryguy]

22. sure that's what Faux and the freepers think - n/t

[HereSince1628]

27. As they say at Texas A&M...SSSSSsssssssssssssss!

That was an Evil thought.

[rsmith6621]

3. Im Tired

Of hearing about him and his death....let the Old Pontiff rest in peace......I thought it deplorable that they would lay him out for 5 days......His death like Schiavo was turned into a media circus.

The Catholic Church should have done the Pope a favor and retired him 5 years ago.

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[Botany]

12. Sorry to offend your faith but .....

..... I am too sick of this pomp and falderal. The Catholic church is getting
every mile out the Pope's death. It would not surprise me that they
pick a really old Pope so they can put on another 3 ring circus of
Pope passing on.

BTW Why don't you ask any one of the thousands of people who took
the $2,000.00, the year of therapy, and signed the boiler plate document
which protected the Church from future legal actions by the victims of
sexual predators that were working for the Church about how they feel
feel for the "Holy Father?"

[Lone Pawn]

13. And was the Pope personally involved? No.

[Lindacooks]

39. Yes he was.

He moved Bernard Law, the Boston bishop who had to resign because he started the cover up, to the Vatican. That means the pope was personally involved.

[nonews]

40. Law to Vatican?

When did this happen? Please provide link. Thank you.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

43. Look here.

www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/breaking_news/11336350.htm

The Vatican announced Thursday he will lead one of the daily Masses celebrated in the pope's memory during the nine-day period that follows the funeral, called Novemdiales. The service will be held Monday at Rome's St. Mary Major Basilica, where Law was appointed archpriest after leaving Boston. "

Figure out when Law left (fled in 2002) Boston and you'll know approximately when he was appointed archpriest to the Vatican.

And if that link isn't good enough, here's a link to a Yahoo News search:
news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=Bernard+Law+boston&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&x=wrt

[nonews]

44. Jesus taught forgiveness

Must be the Vatican has forgiven Cardinal Law..we should too

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

45. Not good enough. Not good enough by half.

Law essentially assisted with the psychological damage of untold numbers of children and we're just supposed to forgive him for this?
Instead of telling him to face the consequences of his actions, the Vatican gives him asylum where he can live out the rest of his days.
There is no fucking way I will forgive Law for this, no matter what you think the Vatican has done.

[Lindacooks]

48. NO.

I will NEVER forgive that cruel old man for causing so much pain and anguish among CHILDREN. EVER.

[nonews]

14. WHAT???

"BTW Why don't you ask any one of the thousands of people who took
the $2,000.00, the year of therapy, and signed the boiler plate document
which protected the Church from future legal actions by the victims of
sexual predators that were working for the Church about how they feel
feel for the "Holy Father?"

What the hell are you talking about here? Really?

[Botany]

16. Yup it happened.

True as the sky is blue and the wind blows.

[rsmith6621]

17. Where Was the Pope

When Bishops he appointed were fondling little alter boy?????

He wasnt exacly asking for resignations DID HE!!! instead they called on Lawyers and Bankers and moved the Bishops on to other locations to do it all over again.

[nonews]

20. the real story

there were two major sections of the country, Albequerque and Boston that were concentrated with the scandal. The Pope had nothing to doa with any of this; by the way, many if not most of the priests were found guilty and are behind bars. As you stated, a "bishop" was found fondling an altar boy? Where? When? Again, how was the Pope involved?

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[nonews]

32. Fox News?

That's your best? Just because I don't agree with the posture of this thread, I must work for Fox News..Each individual diocese has autonomous rule over the parishes. Sure, there were mistakes, but NOT the Pope's fault. How many sex cases in the Episcopal, Methodist churches have been reported?

[rsmith6621]

36. Lots.....

there are several pastoral sex abuse cases here in the Washington state going on right now and YES the media is all over those as well....however those pastors have been asked by the main office to resign and the pastor has.

[Lindacooks]

38. The Pope was involved because he promoted Bernard Law,

the bishop in Boston, to the Vatican. THAT is a coverup and a tacit approval of the way Law handled the pedophile scandals.

And it's estimated that 7-10% of RC priests were involved in the scandal - that's hardly 'two major sections of the country'. In the upper Midwest, there were many cases of priest pedophilia, including, many think, Jacob Wetterling, the 11 year old boy who disappeared in 1989. He lived near an RC campus where several pedophiles were moved to after they were caught.

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[0007]

46. The Catholic Church doesn't have 2000 years of history,

Since that 2000 years, it has been full of blood wars and ignorance, it is rich with a beloved history that should make angels smile. The 14 books of the Septuagint included in the Vulgate are questionable and I'm certain that's why the Russian & Greek Orthodox has included all fourteen books. Maybe that's why the Roman Catholic split from the Orthodox churches about eighteen hundred years ago?

The mass certainly isn't enthralled with the Pope's funeral are they?

Created: Friday, April 08, 2005, at 07:13:19 EDT
Did you watch the pope's funeral?

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[0007]

47. Back at 'ya mustache

[Mandate My Ass]

26. and saying STFU is so very "constuctive"

not to mention Christian. :eyes:

[nonews]

29. same to you

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

33. I'd recommend a little more civility.

The post you responded to had no disrespect, just a detached assessment of a ritual from an outsider, with no offense, no animosity (it actually transmitted empathy with the deceased) and no relevance. You answered with anger and STFU. That's not bound to win you many friends here.

[nonews]

34. I am so sorry

you are 100% correct. I will refrain from such expressions in the future. All, on the board, please accept my apologies.

[Bridget Burke]

10. So change the channel.

Post in the lounge.

Get back to work.

Take a walk.

[nonews]

11. lounge?

what's the lounge?

[Botany]

15. Stay out of the lounge .....

The people in there :headbang: + are couple slices short of
being a full pizza.

[Inland]

41. The DU Lounge

Anyone with a kitty or puppy picture is allowed to post there.

[Inland]

42. Me too. Why can't I get news on the Jackson trial? eom

[ohio_liberal]

23. Is there a caption with it?

Why is his face covered?

[Karenina]

35. O......

can I get a "last shot of him waving or sumpim? Don't flame me, I ain't even Kristlich, know Karol was messed-up in ways but gotta acknowledge him fondly for where he got to von wo er war...