I caught a wicked case of Liebermania today (nuclear option rally)

[More Than A Feeling]

I was at the rally against the nuclear option in front of the Supreme Court. Congressman John Lewis and Senator Harry Reid were officially scheduled to speak. Then Jeffords appeared, then Kennedy, then Stabenow, then Schumer, then

...LIEBERMAN?

He didn't speak but he was recognized when Reid brought him and Kennedy up to the podium together. I guess that means he is isn't going to wobble on the nuclear option, which is nice considering the way he voted to end debate on the bankruptcy bill. Afterwards, he, Stabenow, and Schumer signed a dollar bill I had in my pocket, which was also nice.

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1. I'm not surprised, at all. Lieberman had one of the most liberal records

on matters of the judiciary. He deserves good credit on that issue.

[Ironpost]

2. wouldn't that be considered defacing our currency

[More Than A Feeling]

3. It was on the back of the bill.

As he signed, Lieberman questioned what his signature would do to its value, which I thought was very nice of him. :)

[gizmo1979]

4. Dropped it in half

lucky if it's worth 50 cents

[applegrove]

5. Lieberman is a good egg. We cannot loose any of our democrats on

on the floor of either House. We need them all. Even if they sometimes get sucked in by Washington or if they have a particular agenda that we do not follow (Israel).

Glad that we notice the good and the bad. But I bet you this "good" will not be posted every 5 on this board for the next 2 weeks.

Remember Karl Rove has admitted the NY is the next prize. He turned Texas by flipping a few key democratic leaders there. That is what he will try to do in NY. And Lieberman is one of those Leaders. As is Al Sharpton. One of the ones they may have targeted already (I know he is from Conn..but he is a leader to many in NY.

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7. When did Karl Rove say that?

I hadn't heard New York. I thought the rumblings were California, especially after Secretary of State Kevin Shelley resigned.

[applegrove]

8. I think I heard somehow that the Hillary Clinton Senatorial re-election

was going to be the thing in the next few years. I'm not sure if Rove said it himself or some observant pundit did.

But they already have a corporation all over Al Sharpton and giving him money for charities left right centre.. and they tried to get Sharpton to be a paid head on Faux News. They have been after Sharpton for a while.

And please...for three weeks "let's all destroy Lieberman" was the title of every 10th thread on this board. Democrats are not so un-empathetic that they cannot see that Lieberman has issues of his own going on (Israel) at this juncture in history.

I'm sorry. But all my money and attention would be on New York.

Flipping a few key democratic leaders is how he got Texas to become Repuke instead of Democratic.

With creeps like this..whenever you say to yourself... "No..he wouldn't go so far...he wouldn't do that.. they could never..". When you say that to yourself with these personality types.. you are projecting your own empathy onto the monsters. They will do/destroy exactly that thing you most hold dear.

They will do/destroy exactly that thing you most hold dear. They have destroyed the devoutness of the very religious. They have destroyed the Democracy of America. They have destroyed the creation myth and character of what makes an American. Trust me. They will go after what you think they never would.

Just look at Wolfie & Bolton.

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9. Actually, I do think Democrats can be that cold

Given the circumstances, any dealing with those we have come to define as "the enemy" can be construed as betrayal, requiring whatever punishment can be mustered.

I read that Liz Dole was so incompetent as head of the Republican 2006 Senate Committee that Hillary is running unopposed at this point. Schumer is rock solid, and kicking Republican ass as Dole's counterpart, although I wish he had kept Rep Langevin in against Chafee in Rhode Island, who was our best chance to take that seat. Don't forget that at this point, based on the polls that are intermittenly posted at Daily Kos, Spitzer is going to be governor.

Al Sharpton? How much influence does he have in New York and can he really be flipped as easily as giving him a fox news gig? I imagine he is wealthy already, and that for someone like him, principle would count for more.

My bet is that Texas left for the same reason the rest of the south left: The Voting Rights Act of 65, and that is why dems flipped, not special GOP efforts. No, the strategy Rove has chosen is already out there for all to see, and that is to use the cultural issues to shave off groups from the Dems. That isn't likely to work in cosmopolitan, multi-cultural New York. If it didn't buy Bush's National Security pitch after actually being attacked, it won't flip because of Al Sharpton.

It has nothing to do with thinking that they wouldn't go that far. No doubt they would love to have New York. But the fact of the matter is they are not omnipotent, and they can't get New York, because of who they are and the strategy they have chosen.

Also, I am not convinced when people say "just look at x". Each situation is unique, with its own circumstances and variables. The things they are doing with Wolfowitz and Bolton have little, if anything, to do with taking New York.

[applegrove]

10. I am not saying "only look at NY". I am saying watch out.

Obviously Sharpton has not fallen for any of it yet. But just the perception of someone giving in is enough to create hate among the people.

Look at the DU with Lieberman.

We have to keep from turning tribal. That is what Karl Rove wants. For us to loose our adult capacity for empathy. Then we will be a bunch of knee-jerks..just like the freepers. And the Empire will be built right on top of all the tribals going at each other. It is how the British ruled 1/3 of the world.

They just need to make a few inroads in NY (I think they believe) to effect the numbers of AA or Jewish voters. And they just need a few percentages here and there.. a tighter grip on Catholics (so with the big butt kiss in Rome). And then they can do damage to Hillary. And the electorate.

I for one would not keep my focus off any prize at this juncture.

The Repukes lost it when the religious right motivated themselves of Terry Schiavo (thinking of course that the WH was really and truly for life and not just using the wedges for election times now and in the future). The WH lost that one because it was not under their control. I hope the religious right takes off and finds out about the lies and tries to find a better place to exist (less tribal..less about power.. more about love & peace). But I do not doubt that within a week - the Repukes could be back in control.

I'm not putting my guard down anywhere.

And you? Your opinion on Lieberman?

[Jack Rabbit]

6. No, he's not going to wobble on the nuclear option

If he does, he should be sent over to the Republican caucus gift wrapped.