Seperation of Church and State was a great idea.... Now that end runs

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

have been (are being) established around the idea, will the next great Democratic idea be State without church?

We have powerful people who would benefit by America turning into a replica of 17th c. Britain. Where the hell are the heretics supposed to go, muchless, what will we do?

[Redstone]

1. You think it's that bad yet?

I share your concerns, and am frightened by some of the trends. but I also see an encouraging amount of resistance to the "end runs" you mention. I'm not sure the crack in the dam is guaranteed to turn into a flood...

Do you think we've already lost, or is there yet hope?

Redstone

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

5. Frankly, I don't know... That said, I am seriously concerned that

the religious right has had an agenda for quite a while and at this juncture, with the pres and congress of the moment, they are poised to not only flex their muscles but push laws into being within the next five years that would have been alien to us only a few short years ago.

I'm not damning religion, but I am concerned that many sects from many different religions are bracing for some kind of judgment day.

There's always hope, but right now the moderate/respectful/normal human is being blindsided by highly organized PR campaigns and with silly postulations like, "Do you want Terry Schiavo to die?"

Somethings gotta break soon. One way or the other. IMHO, we're at a cross roads the likes of which has not been seen for centuries.

[Coyul]

2. Continue to be...

...a voice crying in the wilderness, where, someday someone will hear us and say..."ya know what?, those heretics speak truth...."

There is a place for Religion...it is the place farthest away from the State......that is the only place where both can be what they are, instead of some evil morphing of the two....doing dis-service to both.

Tax the churches...then they can say what they want...until then...??????

Porriah.....ME

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

6. Rock on.... EOM

[Panda1]

3. We should be bloody scared to death....

S.520
Title: A bill to limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in certain cases and promote federalism.
Sponsor: Sen Shelby, Richard C. (introduced 3/3/2005) Cosponsors (4)
Related Bills: H.R.1070
Latest Major Action: 3/3/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

SUMMARY AS OF:
3/3/2005--Introduced.

Constitution Restoration Act of 2005 - Amends the Federal judicial code to prohibit the U.S. Supreme Court and the Federal district courts from exercising jurisdiction over any matter in which relief is sought against an entity of Federal, State, or local government or an officer or agent of such government concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.

Prohibits a court of the United States from relying upon any law, policy, or other action of a foreign state or international organization in interpreting and applying the Constitution, other than English constitutional and common law up to the time of adoption of the U.S. Constitution.
Provides that any Federal court decision relating to an issue removed from Federal jurisdiction by this Act is not binding precedent on State courts.

Provides that any Supreme Court justice or Federal court judge who exceeds the jurisdictional limitations of this Act shall be deemed to have committed an offense for which the justice or judge may be removed, and to have violated the standard of good behavior required of Article III judges by the Constitution.

Four co-sponsors:
Sen Brownback, Sam - 3/3/2005
Sen Burr, Richard - 3/3/2005
Sen Craig, Larry E. - 3/8/2005
Sen Lott, Trent - 3/8/2005

[RPM]

4. how that doesnt run afoul of the establishment clause is beyond me

no really - can someone explain that?