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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:53 PM
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O.K., stupid hypothetical. But I've got $10 on the given responses.
Silly dichotomy: just play the game.

Would you rather:
1) Have chimpy as pResident, BUT keep a woman's right to choose;
OR
2) Have Dennis K. (or your dem. of choice) as President, and all of his or her policies, BUT lose a woman's right to choose.

Yes, I realize the answer is neither.

Humor me?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:55 PM
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1. I'm a woman
Guess what my answer is.

Presidents serve a finite term.

Roe v. Wade has a longer life than that.
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:56 PM
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3. Can you be explicit about the answer?
I assume you mean chimpy. But can you confirm?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:57 PM
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11. Yes
He's going to be gone at the end of his term.

Roe v. Wade will endure long after he's gone.

So, yeah, I'd take him :::: gagging :::: and preserve a woman's right to choose.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:57 PM
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5. Have you heard of the nuclear option?
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:07 PM
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9. Agreed
Very tough choice, but like you said... one has a finite term, the other does not (assumed, but still.)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:11 PM
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10. I am a woman
and my rights are not negotiable.

Run a fetus fetishist on the Dem side and you'll end up with half a party.

There is no way any woman with an ounce of self respect will vote for any sack of shit that is hell bent to enslave half the population of this country.

No way.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:49 PM
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23. I'm with you
Gag gag gag but Roe v. Wade is longer lasting.
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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:55 PM
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2. Remember, you asked for it......#2
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:57 PM
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4. I'd rather move to a more progressive continent.
:hi:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:57 PM
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6. 1)
It's far easier to keep what you already have than to get back that which has been taken from you.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:58 PM
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7. I would have to say 1
The reason is that I lived through the period before Roe vs Wade, it was an ugly thing for women, and we cannot go back to that barbarism, at least the reign of the Chimp will end, if Roe vs Wade is overturned, it may be decades before this is resolved.
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:59 PM
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8. #2
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Bruce McAuley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 11:10 PM
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12. #2 BUT...
Give all men vasectomies after their second live child.

Bruce
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 06:42 AM
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16. Wow, now you've brought up a real problem.
To vote #2 AND have mandatory vasectomies: which candidate's platform was that part of? :-) And I thought Dennis K.'s Dept. of Peace had a snowball's chance in hell.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 11:16 PM
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13. A vote against choice is unacceptable to me.
Just as a vote for a candidate that would infringe upon the basic rights of minorities or gays would be unacceptable to me even though I'm not a minority or gay. If you rationalize eliminating reproductive choice in order to win elections, the slide will not stop there because the right doesn't compromise or back down, they just keep demanding more and more concessions.

However, with Bush in office all of our rights as Americans are being rescinded or eroded in one way or another and will continue to be, so it's only a matter of time before he gets his theocracy - the fundamentalist full Monty so to speak - enacted.

It's lose/lose no matter which way you look at it.
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 06:38 AM
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15. So you'd take option 1, then?
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 11:22 PM
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14. For this male, a woman's right to choose comes first.
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 06:46 AM
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17. how is that even a choice?
Of course I'd take Kucinich... How selfish some people can be. Gays/Blacks/others are always told to quite down and wait on making progress with their rights because they arent politically succesful issues at the time. If you don't think Bush is making long term changes that are going to harm this country more than your right to have an abortion you aren't paying attention.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 07:03 AM
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18. After we lose THAT right, what's next?
You're right, it's a silly thing to ask!

1) would be my answer.

And for those who think that's stupid, you have NO idea what it was like before!
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 07:23 AM
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19. No - it's a stupid game
I will remind that Dennis K supports a woman's right to choose. Therefore, I can NOT choose option 2 with the BUT, because that's a lie.

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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:44 PM
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20. Yes, yes. I understand your point.
I never said Dennis K. was pro-life. I threw out a hypothetical. You know, separation of powers. You know, that the party in power may not get the judges they hope they'd get (7 out of 9 of the judges now serving were appointed by repubs.--d'OH).

It's a hypothetical. That's why I called it silly/stupid. So your answer simply reasserts a premise already given. Good job.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:47 PM
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21. #2
I wouldn't support any one issue to the exclusion of everything else. This country is going to hell in a bucket and women's loss of reproductive freedom is only one part.
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thecorster Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:48 PM
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22. I have no stake in the abortion debate
I don't think it should be a political issue. So I would gladly give up the unnecessary deaths of 1600 American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. Also, I think if a contemplative Dem had been in office in 2001, we could have halted 9/11

Sorry ladies, I'd take a good Dem any day.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:56 PM
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24. You should really direct your apologies to the men who are going
to be paying the child support for unplanned pregnancies.

(and here's a 21st century tip: the term usu. is "women" when speaking of women's issues. Know you didn't mean anything by it. Just thought you'd wanna know. "Ladies" is considered a bit condescending when speaking seriously of women's issues. I'm sure some others will disagree...but I challenge anyone to find a legit news article on the subject of women's issues, where they refer to "ladies' issues.")
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thecorster Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:08 PM
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25. Noted.
I knew I'd not be popular for that post. I just don't see how you could say "yeah, I'd let all this shit happen again just so women could have abortions." Is the right to choose important? Hell yes. Is the prospect of peace and prosperity for 8 years more important? Well, I guess that was the object of the game/question.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:09 PM
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26. Your liver should hurt....and a lot.
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:13 PM
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27. So sayeth my liver.
And my pancreas . . . who really seems to enjoy the suffering of my liver.
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