Jessie Jackson is being USED by the right wing, and to tell you the truth

[goodboy]

when I close my eyes, I can't tell who's talking, Jessie Jackson or Randall Terry.

Hannity patted him on the back, "have you ever voted for a Republican"
"will you join the Republican Party?"

This is the equivalent of a Jew joining the Nazi party...or better yet, remember how the American army gave fire-water and a blue coat to an Indian scout so he could lead them back to the village to massacre his people?

[applegrove]

1. Karl Rove is after all of our Democratic Leaders. That is how he

flipped Texas from democratic to republican.

[goodboy]

2. AHA! you're right...I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this.

[Just Me]

43. I feel very secure that, Jesse cannot possibly be "used" by Rove.

Frankly, I am pretty amazed at his courage to walk right into the middle of "enemy" territory and take a stand. He'll likely reach out and inform others about the duty of our government to protect the life/health of ALL our people better than most of us.

[ultraist]

65. good points!

I think that is his angle: To buttress into responsible health care for ALL Americans and the duty of gov to do so.

Honestly, I was disappointed that Jackson was associating himself with this group but he has a cause that he is advocating for as well as his religious principles. It's also a wake up call to Dems to step up to the plate with regard to Black issues.

[applegrove]

85. Being separated from your democratic leaders can happen if you

get annoyed and reject him. Sociopaths use all 3D tools. Separating JJ from a host of Democrats can happen in more than just one way. It is about perception.

I worry. It is Karl Rove's pattern.

[Just Me]

87. Ummm,...why would you make such an assumption?

Rove only manipulates the naive, ignorant and vulnerable. He CANNOT TOUCH the experienced, knowledgeable and "weathered".

Seriously.

I do hope you don't underestimate human ingenuity/passion/focus and place gawd-awful Rove above all humanity. He ain't all that,...he poops, too.

[applegrove]

89. He is going for New York. You are saying.. naw... he would not do that..

but he would. They have been stalking Al Sharpton and I would guess making Joe Liebermann more of an object of scorn than the man should be.I mean.. 40 posts every night for 3 weeks?

Rove has admitted New York is where the fight is.

Now if he 'takes Manhattan' don't ya think that 20 year Kingdom of his will be a reality?

Don't stick your head in the sand.

PS. Potty training issues often result in anality=sadism. He may not poop like everyone else. He may just poop like George Bush & the small percentage of the population who never got past 3.

[goodboy]

91. wow...that really opened my eyes, I didn't even realize until just now

new york is where it's at.

[FreedomAngel82]

62. You got it

I wouldn't be surprised. Of course the people he went after were already conservative Hillary Clinton style. I just hope she doesn't cross over. I'd be really disappointed. Rove is determined to make this country a one-party system. You better believe it. If Jackson crosses over to their side after this a lot of people will be angry with him.

[Just Me]

88. Aw, damn! C'mon!!! Do you REALLY believe Rove is ALL THAT?

Geez.

I think he's just a lucky, manipulative ASS-HOLE *LOL*!!!

He only has power over the most vulnerable among us (and USES IT - evil prick).

Personally, I would never overestimated Rove while in the same breath underestimate the potential of, not only Americans but also ALL people to catch onto Rove's manipulative propaganda.

[applegrove]

90. Is it just me? Or am I begining to wonder about you my friend? n/t

[applegrove]

95. Hillary will not cross over. She is trying to put away the old democratic

agenda and come up with a new one that is more modern. So abortions are not a wonderful thing. With the technology we have today.. it should be operations for 15 year old boys (free and reversible of course). Time for women to have to take the hit on reproductive health and responsibility is over. That is how I look at it. Why should there be so much need for abortion?

And you connect to the people who feel the same way about abortion (that it is not a good thing). And you move together from there.

And you don't let GOP put us all into little bickering tribes.

[Eloriel]

3. I think Rev. Jackson can take care of himself n/t

[goodboy]

6. I hope you're right, because from where I sit, I see him being

pimped out by the Right wing handjobs, who have villified him for years.

What's worse, is that he's allowing this to happen.

[liveoaktx]

17. He WANTS to be pimped out-he's been doing this for years

He's an opportunist.

[H2O Man]

30. Wow.

Explain that in Goodman terms, please?

[K-W]

8. I dont think anyones concerned about him,

I think the concern is about the people who rely on Rev. Jackson for moral and political leadership.

[goodboy]

10. I think the right saw an opportunity, and seized on it...who would let

that pig hannity pat them on the back?

not me.

[FreedomAngel82]

72. Ew no way

Not me either. I'd give him the evil eye and tell him he better not ever touch me again. Then I'd go take a shower.

[whistle]

4. That is most certainly not a connection Martin Luther King....

...had he lived to these times ever considered making, except perhaps with the caution of "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer"!

[goodboy]

7. I agree with the cliche', however Jackson is keeping our enemies too close

[Eloriel]

82. Boy, I disagree wholeheartedly

if I've interpreted your post properly.

I wrote about it here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1695084&mesg_id=1695294

[Az]

5. I think Jessie ran aground on a philosophical issue

Its a matter of where you believe identity resides. If its a soul then it may not be tied to the brain. Thus the fact that there appears to be life means that the soul is still tied to the body. And terminating it is murder and slowing starving it to death is cruel.

[goodboy]

9. I can appreciate his opinion as a minister, but that's not why he's there

besides, have you ever seen him picketing an abortion clinic?

[ElectroPrincess]

13. Please get your facts straight ...

TS is going to die of DEHYDRATION not starvation. No it's not cruel at all. In fact until the medical intervention of the *feeding tube* many of our ancestors died a peaceful death of dehydration.

God allows terminally ill cancer patients to refuse nourishment and the church does not protest. Hum? Also, the LUCKY wild animals are fortunate enough to find an isolated and quiet place where they can die in peace OF ...let's all say it together?!? ... dehydration.

[goodboy]

14. Electro Princess, you're my hero...(nt)

[ElectroPrincess]

21. Thank you - very kind :-)

[Az]

31. Perception vs Reality

Its emotionally driven. Dehydration and starvation sound tramatic to those unfamiliar with it. Combine that with the notion that identity is tied to the soul and not the brain and you have the ingredients for a public spectacle.

The truth is Terri the person would not suffer from dehydration or from being torn apart by wild horses. There is simply no brain remaining capable of sensing such things. But its caught up on the life/identity issue.

Many of those that believe the person named Terri is still involved cannot get over the fact that she is being starved/dehydrated to death. It just smacks of cruelty to them. No amount of reasoning or explanations can convince them at this juncture. They are too involved. They are too attached to the issue.

[goodboy]

11. Jessie is the indian leading the soldiers back to the village to be

slaughtered.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. He Didn't Do Anything Any Other Baptist Minister Wouldn't Do In That

Situation


I think that's a double negative but you get my drift...


He acted out of conscience during a transcedental moment in American history... He answered his highest calling...

[goodboy]

16. I can't disagree with that. He's handling it like a politician who's

whoring for votes, and making nice nice with RW pigs, and looking pretty for all the cameras..


Otherwise, he'd have tried to save Sun Hudson's life.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Nobody Knew About Sun Hudson Until It Was Late...

eom

[goodboy]

20. and there were no cameras, and there was not congressional intervention

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. "whoring for votes"

He's not running for anything and I would bet my home we saw Jesse Jackson's last presidential campaign in 1988...

He spoke from the heart...

[goodboy]

26. I'll tell you why I question that, Ok?

This is indeed a passionate issue, and i've seen jessie SCREAMING at the top of the lungs with passion, and I don't see that passion now. It's just monotone responses, and IMO, it's not the same Jessie we saw in Civil Rights demos...I just don't think this is the real Jessie Jackson

[ima_sinnic]

24. yeah, right, butting into a family's private business on national

TV is what all ministers do. :eyes:

[goodboy]

28. hmmm.....what an interesting thought (nt)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. He Has Every Right To Speak ...

What part of the First Amendment don't you understand?

[ima_sinnic]

40. just because he HAS the RIGHT, doesn't MAKE it RIGHT

or even relevant.
I have the right to tell my neighbors what I think of the way they raise their children, but should I??

[Just Me]

53. He may have motives that you would not only deem "right",...

,...but also admire.

Maybe. :shrug:

[H2O Man]

15. While I do not agree with him

on this issue, I think that Jesse is a very capable and good democratic leader. I think that who think republicans are in any way controlling him are sadly mistaken. Jesse is opening the discussion in a more civil tone. This issue needs to be removed from democrat versus republican -- where it has no business -- and to be put back into a family discussion. Families will disagree. Almost every extended family in America will have different views. Jesse is reminding us that we should have a civil discussion, not a cultural war.

[goodboy]

19. You don't think republicans are sticking to him like flies on shit?

The pukes made this a political issue.

Jessie is part of the civility created by Randall Terry, and all those other wacko fundies with crosses and bottled water.


They're not controlling him, they're USING him, and that's worse./

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. What's Wrong With The Cross?

eom

[ElectroPrincess]

32. I think we all agree that this SIT is making *strange* bedfellows

Some people honestly believe that Jesse Jackson is acting from the heart. I don't personally buy that for a moment but I respect your opinion.

Guess time will tell who's correct.

No use in arguing now ... let's just stay tuned?

Will Jesse be welcomed within more crevices ... oh, I mean "corners" of the Republican Party?

The world will soon know. ;)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. He's Run His Last Race...

He's using his influence on a situation that's important to him...

[goodboy]

39. He's being loved up by the pukes and USED...does noone see

a problem with this?

[H2O Man]

49. Be specific.

List the problems with the Schiavo case in order of significance. Tell us where you see Jesse talking with republicans ranking on your list. Is it the #1 problem?

[goodboy]

55. I'll tell you this: Talking with repukes is not the problem

It's allowing himself to be a mouthpiece for the right is the problem.

[H2O Man]

63. He is not a mouthpiece for

the right. The "problem" may be that you are not familiar enough with Jesse or his style of work to make the judgements which you are making. Slow down, and learn more about Jesse. Do you know about Jesse and the hostages? Talk to me: should he have spoken with the people he did? Are you familiar with these cases?

[goodboy]

71. yes I am, but when he rescued the hostages, it was a great humanitarian

achievement...


Is he trying to rescue Terri from God?

[H2O Man]

78. Well isn't that interesting.

You are qualified to decide for Jesse Jackson what he should and should not do. Now, let's just skip the "rescue ... from God" nonsense, because you are trying to separate politics from religion, right?

[goodboy]

80. I'm not deciding anything for him...I just think he's made a bad

decision, and we're all gonna pay for it, as the right parades him around...

[goodboy]

33. nothing at all. But do you think pulling a crucifix behind a surburban

is a little bit extreme? Or maybe saying "terri's dying for our sins"

This thread is not about religion, it's about politics.

Sorry to have misled you.

[H2O Man]

36. Jesse didn't pull

the thing behind the vehicle. You started the thread to discuss your concerns with Jesse. Let's stick to the topic.

[goodboy]

41. Of course...I was just answering DSB...

[H2O Man]

46. But DSB didn't

say anything about the vehicle pulling anything. Only you did. I'm hoping you will answer the questions I asked in #27. Thanks.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. I Nominate That For The Funniest Line I Have Ever Heard On The Net

eom

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Some Of The Imagery Is Way Over The Top

eom

[ima_sinnic]

45. you did see Trailer Hitch Jesus, right?

we couldn't make this stuff up!
I didn't save the picture but I'm sure many DUers did and one will be along soon to post it.

[H2O Man]

27. So what.

I'm not concerned about that in the least. It's not important. Perhaps you should consider what the important issues are in this case, and rank where Jesse talking to Sean Hannity is? Does it hurt anything? Do you think that Jesse is morally obligated to not talk to people from the republican party? Are you advocating a course that will heal the wounds of families facing serious issues such as the Schiavos by not talking?

[ima_sinnic]

50. I advocate the Schindlers taking their problems out of the public eye

--there are 1000s of people on life support of one kind or another in this country. do you see their families waving their wounds in the face of the country, virtually bringing the country to civil war? do the Schindlers think the American citizens should be rallied on their personal behalf??

[H2O Man]

52. That's a valid point.

I certainly agree with you. However, I was asking the person who wrote the OP the question that remains unanswered.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. I Think Most Families Work It Out...

I'll bet if two families can't agree on pulling the plug on granny it would end up the same way- in court...

[FreedomAngel82]

81. But they don't bring the whole country in on their problems

You don't see them selling video tapes and selling list's of people to rightwing "pro-life" groups do you?

[goodboy]

51. I think it's very important when a well known liberal gets used to

further the RW agenda.

I think it's something we should all be concerned about.


Of course we should be talking about this issue...but on a personal level, without congressional intervention, (which mr. Jackson is advocating)

Jessie can speak with whomever he wishes, but truth be told, I wouldn't speak to Republicans who've oppressed my people, starved my people, kept medical care from my people.

[H2O Man]

59. I guess that if you

won't answer my question, after I've asked it three times, I'd be wasting my time to ask you again.

Now, when Jesse went and brought the hostages home, was he being used? Should he have talked to Saddam? People from Syria? Reagan?

Should he have considered them unpure?

Do you know what cases I'm talking about? Or are you talking about a democratic leader you are so unfamiliar with that you really need to think, read, and learn a little more before you make such categoric judgements?

[goodboy]

64. I did answer them...and I'm not making a categoric judgements

all I'm saying is that his presence is being used by the RW to legitimize what they're trying to do, and that's it.

I'm trying to separate the moral aspect of this from the political aspect.

[H2O Man]

68. Well, I had asked

if you could list the serious problems involved in the Schiavo case .... because there are many. But I was curious where you ranked Jesse talking to republicans. And you have not done that yet, which is fine.

Can you instead answer my questions about hostages? I am also interested in the political issues. I am trying to answer the questions you ask. You are refusing to answer mine. I suppose I could take that to mea that you think not answering is the preferred tactic, and go on to nonsense about the vehicle pulling the statue. Or you might wish to discuss the original issue you raised.

[goodboy]

70. What I view about the serious problems in this case:

1. Congressional intervention
2. Unlimited air time for fundie wackos
3. Use of this tragedy by the right to destroy our courts, and our democracy.
4. Use of a great liberal activist to add legitimacy to the right wings perverted agenda.

If I don't answer on time, it's because this thing exploded...sorry, If you have some specific questions ,please pm, me otherwise I'll will get to them I promise.

[H2O Man]

76. #1 and #3 are real concerns.

If Jesse cuts into the time the "fundie wackos" get, then #2 can not been that serious.

What you seem to have trouble accepting is that Jesse Jackson is a real live human being, distinct from your ideas of who and what he should be. Your demands of him, coupled with your outrage that he isn't meeting your needs, indicates that you own the problem. Jesse has the right to decide for himself how he feels about social issues. I do not agree with him on this one, but that would hardly be reason to post the insulting and inaccurate things that you have been posting here tonight. Perhaps you should take the time to learn who Jesse really is, instead of simply posting more nonsense.

[goodboy]

79. I accept what you're saying, and I understand it completely...

I believe that JJ is allowing himself to be used by the RW to legitimize their destruction of our government. His fatal mistake IMO, is that he failed to separate his moral arguement, from the political arguement. Jessie's a great man, who's done great things. I strongly disagree with his political involvement in this case, and I feel that it is no different than the Pukes getting involved in it. That being said, I really think we agree more than we disagree on this H20, and I appreciate you calling me on my comments. What do we have if we do not keep each other honest? Nothing...a DURepublic.

Peace.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. I Think It's Good For Folks To Know There Are Liberals And

Democrats Who Are Christian...

The Republican's don't own Jesus and they don't own the flag...


I also think it's good for folks to know there are liberals who embrace a true culture of life and oppose unnecesaary abortions, oppose capital punishment, oppose euthanasia, and oppose unjust wars...

[goodboy]

73. DSB I agree with you 1000%...Absolutely. (mwah) :-)

[ultraist]

69. Just because they are scum

Doesn't mean Jackson is. He is not a child nor is he so powerless or naive that he would allow himself to be used.

You seem to be confusing their motives with Jackson's actions.

[ooglymoogly]

25. you can count on jessi wherever there are cameras and lots of

press.

[H2O Man]

42. Jesse was invited.

n/t

[rinsd]

35. Gee one thread calling him Uncle Tom wasn't enough...

What's more likely Jesse Jackson going repuke or some anonymous poster attempted to stir up hatred of Jackson for their own yet unknown purposes?

[goodboy]

44. sorry, but I'm hardly anonymous...and I don't hate Jessie Jackson

I just think he's being used by the pukes, and I think that's deplorable, and on some levels I think he's allowing them to use him.

[rinsd]

61. You don't hate him....

Could have fooled me by you're calling him an uncle tom and now a self hating jew.

He can't help if repukes point him out as siding with him on this one. If that's deploarable what is calling a tireless civil rights worker a traitor to their race?

Welcome to ignore.

[goodboy]

67. FWIW,

I do think he can help it, because he could've separated the moral stance from the political one, which he didn't.

I don't hate anyone, except RW nuts. I even love you, and I appreciate you talking to me. I'm sorry that my comments offend you, and I understand if you don't want to talk to me. But I've been here for a long time, and I don't have a single person on ignore simply because even if I disagree with you, and even if you piss me off, we're still a family and I still value what you have to say.


Jason

[Malva Zebrina]

37. the Rev Jackson is being rather a little calculating

and senses that the Democrats will move to the right, ( ie, looks at Hillary Clinton and her moves to th pander to the right, who, it is rumored, will run in 2008 for the presidency)therefore,reasons that he will eventually be on the right side if he supports the "culture of life" people.

He has no power really, other than that the media will jump to point out how he is firmly in the camp of the rightist religionists whose displays in Pinellas Park are so visibly bizarre, and akin to a three ring circus, not to mention the propensity of the parents of Terri Schiabvo to get on TV, which they appear to love, and so, even though staunch and dedicated Catholics, see fit, in this terrible crises in their lives where apparently the spiritual beliefs of their religion should offer them comfort, decide to call as their advisor an Protestant minister with definate political connections, who it has been reported, arrives to comfort them in his white stretch limo.

[goodboy]

47. I agree...and the last thing the Dems need is to move more to the right.

[FreedomAngel82]

83. No freakin way

[ElectroPrincess]

54. You got that right Malva Z ... truth IS stranger than fiction

You just can't make this stuff up. And excuse me for being cold hearted but the "dark humor" writes itself. Bizarre situation is right.

[Amaya]

48. " This is the equivalent of a Jew joining the Nazi party"

how is it the equivalent? really, i'd like to know?

[ima_sinnic]

57. er, you haven't noticed that really these people are neo-nazis?

check them out. I think you'll find more than a few skinheads and Aryan Nations types, hardcore anti-government intervention as well as white supremacy freaks.

[goodboy]

58. his participation legitimizes what the right is trying to do here...

and it gives the perception that he advocates getting rid of judges, congressional intervention in private matters...

gives the impression that he's supporting all their other issues.

[datasuspect]

60. jesse jackson is an opportunistic hack

who has far outlived his usefulness . . .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. This Is Beginning To Feel Like A High Tech Crucifixion

Jesse Jackson has been on the right side or the left side depending on your definition of every big issue in the past forty years and he has the temerity to involve himself in a right to die situation and he's being crucified...

That's ok...

Jesse...

You Martin, Bobby, and Jack are still my heroes...

[goodboy]

75. ATTENTION EVERYONE!!! I love Jessie Jackson, but I think

he should've separated his moral arguement from the political one. I think he should've been more careful not to allow the right to use him to add legitimacy to what they're doing. That's it.

[FreedomAngel82]

84. I think he should've just stayed out of it

It's nobody's business. The only person who should be involved is the husband and her doctors. Everybody else: GO HOME! Don't these people have jobs??

[Geek_Girl]

86. I like Jessie Jackson

But I don't believe that this situation is his or anyones business other than the family. Everyday families have to make these kinds of decisions. If the family can't work it out then they can take it to court. But neither Reverend Jackson nor the Fundie wackos should be second guessing the husband or courts decision in this matter.

[Darranar]

92. His view is perfectly understandable, and is not at all "right-wing"...

simply because the Right has used it to attract religious votes for their policies of death and destruction.

[goodboy]

94. I agree...no argument here.

[goodboy]

93. JJ also met with Jeb bush today, and was just on suckborough

for what it's worth.