Jesse Jackson is a whore

[goodboy]

and is now officially an Uncle Tom. Come on, sitting down with the likes of Randall Terry? Sean Hannity?

[Zenlitened]

1. But let's not say bad things about Jerry Falwell! That would be wrong!

What board is this again?

:shrug:

[goodboy]

5. hmm? F***Falwell, I hope he rots in hell...

[jonnyblitz]

123. oh who pays attention to that crap? let the prissies whine!!

they do it everytime one of those dipshits gets sick or dies. it's the christian thing to do and they caint hep themselves.

[mopaul]

2. wherever there's insanity and chaos, there's randall terry

and my heart sank when i saw jesse standing at his side. even randall was impressed, but i was depressed.

but i can't expect to agree with anyone 100% of the time.

[goodboy]

6. Nope, but you can expect them not to be outright dirty whores.

[mondo joe]

3. Is there a special midlife crisis for liberal men like Nader and

Jackson that compels them to throw everything away and becomne stooges for the right?

[goodboy]

8. Yes, it's called, "I wanna be president, even though I'm a jackass"

syndrome.

[Vladimir]

4. Does that make Chuck D a "whore" for having a show on FOX? n/t

[goodboy]

19. no, he's a pimp...(nt)

[grumpy old fart]

7. Jackson not a whore, just incredibly vain.....

He just can't help sticking his nose in wherever there's a camera...and he shows incredibly bad judgment at time, i.e. Randall Terry....

[goodboy]

10. vanity is what causes some people to be whores.

[ananda]

11. bizarre

It's so bizarre seeing people like Jesse Jackson and Ralph Nader go over to the dark side.

What happened to people with principles and backbone?

Sue

[goodboy]

21. principles? backbone? they just bog you down...why do you think

pukes are in power?

[dolo amber]

82. Nailed it

;)

[efhmc]

9. Do you think that he might really be saying what he feels is right?

Now I am just asking this question, not advancing it as fact.

[goodboy]

14. In my heart of hearts...maybe, but he's still a whore IMO, there's just

some things you don't do. And he doesn't know any facts, which was easy to see from his little speech. And he hasn't even said anything about this decision being mrs. schiavo's.

[efhmc]

20. Okay, so he is just jumping in there without anything but a camera pointed

at him in mind? Or at least with a bit of compassion at something he sees as wrong but goes out with guns blazing and no thought to the damage he is doing?

[goodboy]

23. Anyone who stands with Randall Terry, and hannity, and all the other

puke scumbags is a whore.

[NNN0LHI]

26. Didn't your original post starting this thread come from your heart?

Maybe?

Don

[goodboy]

28. yes, but my heart is a whore too...I'm working on that, and I'm in my 2nd

day on the patch, so bear with me.

[NNN0LHI]

41. Maybe you should try two patches? n/t

[goodboy]

43. If you rub the patch, I think it releases more nicotene...(nt)

[goclark]

31. He is saying what HE believes as right

If he was doing it simply for publicity, he would be playing to his base of support which would be on the side of "taking the tube out."

[goodboy]

38. it is NOT the liberal position to say, "take the tube out" the liberal

position is, "it is not the feds place to intervene, and it should be up to the patient and his/her guardian to decide to refuse all medical intervention." that is the liberal position

[goclark]

52. Sorry for my choice of words

but you are right, it is the intervention.

Thanks!

[goodboy]

61. from a fellow clarkie...don't apologize...It's all good (nt)

[quaoar]

12. No, no, no. Y'all don't understand

Jesse is attempting to inflitrate the religious right to subvert it from within.

Pretty soon he will be breaking bread with Ralph Reed and holding a prayer vigil outside Jerry Falwell's hospital. He'll get invited to the secret White House meetings where they discuss advancing the evangelical agenda and then we'll be in.

Shhhhhhh! Keep it quiet.

[goodboy]

15. *whispers* "ok" maybe he'll give Gannon a call, since they're both

whores!

[LiberalVoice]

13. You'll get no argument from me.

Trying to portray MJ as being on the same pedestal as Dr. King jr is just ridiculous.

[goodboy]

17. Bingo!

[XemaSab]

129. We're taking about a different

Jackson, not MJ.

Michael, Jesse, Jesse, Michael... 80's relicts who hald on WAY TOO LONG.

[Guckert]

16. I love how the Right vilifies Jesse for years and now he has a legitimate

cogent argument just because he sides with the crazies???? :crazy: :crazy::crazy: :crazy::crazy: :crazy::crazy: :crazy::crazy: :crazy::puke:

[goodboy]

18. whores stick together...they can turn more tricks that way.

[Name removed]

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[goodboy]

25. I hope those cameramen have raincoats on! :P (nt)

[candle_bright]

24. Uncle Tom?

What does Reverend Jackson's race have to do with his stance on the Schiavo case?

He has worked on many progressive causes; if he feels strongly about Terri Schiavo, so be it. He's allowed to have his own opinion on the matter, and shouldn't be called an "Uncle Tom" for doing so.

[goodboy]

32. I understand what you're saying, but where was Jesse Jackson

when that poor little black baby was taken off life support in texas against his parent's wishes? Do you know why he wasn't there? Because it wasn't politically viable for him...and that makes him a whore, and that also makes him an uncle tom.


By the way, the phrase "uncle tom" was invented by black people to describe other black folks who sell their own people down the river.

[candle_bright]

39. Still

I don't understand why you felt the need to insult him as a function of his race. If Rev. Jackson wasn't black, you would not have called him an "Uncle Tom."

Disagree with his take on the Schiavo case all you like, but bringing his race into it to insult him is wrong.

[goodboy]

42. Candle,

Did he protest the removal of life support of a 6 month old african american boy two weeks ago?

[candle_bright]

45. Not that I know of.

But what exactly are you driving at?

Why are you focused on his race in terms of his position on Terri Schiavo? That is the question.

[goodboy]

53. I'm not, and that is the answer...(nt)

[candle_bright]

56. Not so.

You chose to label him an "Uncle Tom."

[goodboy]

66. nope, he chose to lay down with right wing dogs, ignoring the case

of Sun, from texas...and that makes him an uncle tom.

[candle_bright]

79. Sure.

Maybe you've convinced yourself that are aren't insulting him because of his race, but you haven't convinced me at all.

He is a REVEREND, so his position on Schiavo shouldn't be shocking to you. I guess you'd respect him more if he shunned his own beliefs just to spite the right-wingers. Sounds that way to me.

[goodboy]

83. Falwell is a reverend too...but that's not what this is about...also:

The term you keep referring to was invented by african americans...

[candle_bright]

94. Yes, it is what this is about.

I think you've backed yourself into a corner. You can't try to conveniently disregard his status as a Reverend to suit your argument.

It doesn't matter who came up with the term "Uncle Tom." It is an insult by anyone's definition, and one only used to insult black people. And YOU are the one who used it. YOU are the one who chose to insult him based on his race.

[goodboy]

99. If you can think of a reason, other than his religious beliefs, why

he's in Fl right now, you tell me.

I'm not debating the use of uncle tom, because no matter what, we'll never agree. You'll always see it as an insult to his race, instead of a description of his behavior. NOthing I can do about that.

[candle_bright]

108. Let's see.

We could come up with all kinds of hypotheses, but what purpose would that serve? You are assuming something you cannot prove.

Once you can provide evidence of your claims, please do so. Until then, why not give him the benefit of the doubt? He takes one step you don't like and off with head, right?

Your "Uncle Tom" stuff doesn't fly, either. But of course you wont admit that you wouldn't have used that insult if he was white.

[goodboy]

111. what is the equivalent

phrase to describe a white uncle tom? I'll admit it right now, if I knew what that phrase was, I'd use it.

Here's my hypothesis: The case in texas was not politically viable. NO cameras , no nutjobs, no reason to show up.


Case in FL, big news, lots of cameras, lots of nutjobs...get down there.

[candle_bright]

115. Prove it, then.

Until you can you prove your hypothesis, don't expect me to buy into it. Clearly, you are upset with his actions regarding Schiavo, but that doesn't mean it is fair to attach unfounded accusations to him.

Keep digging on the "Uncle Tom" issue. Here's another shovel.

[goodboy]

116. can you prove me wrong? can you give me a reason why he'd go

to florida and not to texas? As for the uncle tom issue, I don't have to defend myself regarding its usage. We disagree on whether or not it is a racial insult, and nothing will change that. I'm ok with that.

[candle_bright]

119. You have it backwards.

YOU made the accusation, which means the onus is on YOU to prove it.

No, you don't have to defend yourself on the "Uncle Tom" name-calling, and frankly, it's indefensible anyway.

[goodboy]

120. and I suppose the claims you've made are my obligation to prove

as well?


I'm only asking you the same question you asked me.

[candle_bright]

122. What claims have I made

that I need to prove? Let me know.

You are dodging my request that you provide proof for your claims about Rev. Jackson's true motives.

[goodboy]

125. I'll say it once more: The fact that JJ is puking right wing talking

points in FL where all the attention is, is proof that this is a political move. If he cared about this issue, he would've been in Texas screaming about the hospital killing that baby.

In the Texas case, the action was taken in spite of the legal guardian's wishes, the baby had a consciousness, and that's that.

In the FL case, congress intervened, defied the sanctity of marriage, there's a three-ring circus outside the hospice, and lots of cameras.

He doesn't know the facts in this issue, he still claims she's being "starved to death" and he has yet to comment on the fact that according to her guardian this is her wish to withdraw medical intervention.

[candle_bright]

128. These are your opinions, not proof.

Rev. Jackson didn't do things the way YOU wanted, and you are lashing out at him. I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt, and you are choosing to assume the worst.

[goodboy]

130. it's proof enough for me. (nt)

[candle_bright]

132. At least you are admitting your low standards for proof. n/t

[goodboy]

134. nope I'm admitting that we have irreconcilable differences...*(nt)_

[XemaSab]

135. I thought the phrase

"Uncle Tom" came from Harriet Beecher Stowe, who was a white abolitionist.

[goclark]

27. Jesse Jackson is 1st a minister

They called ML King crazy because he opposed the Viet Nam war -- he was first a minister, his perspective was different. As we look at history, he was on the side of "right." but many called him unwise at the time.

Even though I am not in favor of the current frenzy over the case of the feeding tube, from a religious pt. of view, the pope and Jesse Jackson are thinking the same way.

I may not agree with Jesse on this particular issue but I would not call him a whore. Nor would I call the pope one.


I call him a "Drum Major For Justice" and his life experiences are far deeper than mine.

Would we call him a whore when he worked night and day to expose the Ohio vote?

Would we call him a whore when he march in Selma and with Dr. King?


I refuse to put that label on him.

[mondo joe]

29. You'd expect him to have better ethics. But then again, isn't Falwell

a minister too?

[goodboy]

snap! (nt)

[Vladimir]

30. Very well put

no political figure can ever be on the 'right' side all the time, but Jesse Jackson has been there more often than most...

[goclark]

36. Absolutely

He has been there, fighting for justice, all his life.

With our point of view 99% of the time.

He has a right to his opinion on this case.

[goodboy]

33. sorry, but that is not the same Jesse Jackson that's in florida now

this JJ is repeating Right Wing talking points, and posing for pictures with Randall Terry, and Sean Hannity.


I wonder where the JJ you're talking about is hiding.

Why didn't he protest the removal of life support of that poor black baby in texas two weeks ago?

[goclark]

46. How Do You Know He Did Not Protest The Black Baby?

Since he does not own the media, they put him on when they want him to be on.There were few to no cameras for the black baby.

However, now that you bring it up, Jesse was speaking for that Black Baby. He will now be able to point out that there was a different justice for the Baby.

Maybe this time someone will listen when he compares the two cases publicly. I'm sure that he will do that when the right moment arrives.

Jesse may be a lot of things but he has been on the side of justice 99 1/2 percent of the time.

I marched with Jesse and MLK in the 60''s and I see it in a far different light. I look at the total work of the man. I will not judge Jesse. God will judge Jesse.

[goodboy]

50. I truly appreciate your response, and I understand what you're saying

we'll see what happens.

[wildmanj]

34. moderator

lock this thread---the conversation has deteriorated and besides it is hurting some people's feelings---hurry hurry----and besides jesse is a whore who can smell a dollar at 10,000 miles :nopity:

[truebrit71]

35. You've only JUST figured that out?

..the most dangerous place to be is between Jesse Jackson and a live microphone....

[goodboy]

40. second to Rush Limbaugh and a pharmacy...(nt)

[JordanTO]

37. Shockingly inappropriate terminology!

:wow:

[goodboy]

44. I call 'em like I see 'em...

I assume you're referring to the phrase "uncle tom"

What race coined that phrase?

[JordanTO]

47. You're half right.

I'm referring to BOTH terms!

[mondo joe]

48. pious whining, hypocritical canting

"I am not afraid of the priests. They have tried upon me all their various batteries, of pious whining, hypocritical canting, lying and slandering, without being able to give me one moment of pain."

- Thomas Jefferson

[Taverner]

49. Disagree

He follows his inner moral compass, not polls.

My only complaint was the way he showed up at Shivos with his entourage and media.

But he does know how to make an entrance...

[goodboy]

55. how come his "moral compass" didn't lead him to texas to protect

that poor little baby who was disconnected from life support against his parent's wishes

[Taverner]

90. I agree - he should have gone to Texas to support them first

and tie it in to Shivo...but I still wouldn't call him a whore...

[goodboy]

93. I'm glad we agree on something...Thanks Tav! eom

[seabeyond]

51. eeeew good boy. in his religious teaching

it is wrong to kill people. at least he is consistant and opposes war and death penalty

[JordanTO]

54. Yes.

He's not a hypocrite.

[goodboy]

59. I beg to differ. (nt)

[seabeyond]

65. beg all you want, he is still religious

he is still opposed to killing, and that still includes war and death penalty

what did i say in all of my post that you differ on

[goodboy]

78. I don't believe this has anything to do with religion, but election 2008

and I agree that JJ has been a voice in the darkness for many years...I can't explain why he's whoring for the right wing in FLA now, other than 2008.

[mondo joe]

57. But he's not standing outside a Planned Parenthood clinic with

the same right wing nutjobs the rest of the time.

Funny.

[JordanTO]

60. Christians are a diverse group.

They don't always agree on every subject.

[mondo joe]

62. But the post said in his religion killing people is wrong - then

it was said he's not a hypocrite.

So which people is it okay to kill?

[JordanTO]

64. Who did he say it was okay to kill? eom

[mondo joe]

67. Is he opposed to legal abortion?

If you excuse his behavior based on his religion, then his religion ought to be consistent.

[JordanTO]

70. It is up to him to decide what his religion 'ought to be'. eom

[mondo joe]

74. Then let's not excuse his religion for his choices, because they're

still based on HIS choices - not that he's a minister.

[JordanTO]

77. There's nothing to excuse.

That is the point.

[mondo joe]

89. But this all spun off of the point that "In his religion..."

So is he acting because of HIS CHOICES or HIS RELIGION?

If one states he's doing this BECAUSE of his religion it makes him sound like a robot.

[JordanTO]

101. What?

There's no requirement that his actions be the result of either/or.

[goodboy]

103. yeah...falwell used his religion to villify innocent people for 911!

[goodboy]

84. that doesn't make him any less a hypocrite, does it?

[seabeyond]

91. what is his position on abortion?

simple question. and once you tell me, then we can decide if he is a hypocrit

[Vladimir]

75. You presuppose that he believes a foetus to be human

he may well not do...

[goodboy]

69. It was ok to allow a 6 mo. old baby with a consciousness to suffocate

to death against his parents wishes...but not ok to allow a woman with no consciousness, and her legal guardian to determine her fate.

[JordanTO]

71. I wasn't aware that Rev. Jackson had made such a statement.

Could you provide a link?

[goodboy]

80. my point is, is that he didn't even acknowledge that case in texas

and that, my friend, makes him a hypocrite.

[JordanTO]

81. No, it doesn't.

That's not a logical statement.

[goodboy]

85. That case ws not politically viable...that's why he was missing.

[JordanTO]

87. That may be true, but it doesn't make your statement logical.

By your logical, his failure to speak out in each and every instance makes him a hypocrite, and that's simply not logical.

[goodboy]

88. why would he speak out here and not in Texas?

[JordanTO]

97. I've no actual knowledge as to why he didn't.

I would respectfully suggest that neither does anyone else, except the reverend himself.

[goodboy]

102. The only logical conclusion is that the family in texas didn't have

congress involved, right to life groups, randall terry, etc...for two reasons:

They are poor

They are black.

[JordanTO]

104. No, that's not the only logical conclusion.

There could be myriad reasons why.

[goodboy]

105. i'm curious: (nt)

[JordanTO]

107. Curiousity is good.

I would ask the reverend for his explanation.

[seabeyond]

110. jackson rejects poor black?

[goodboy]

112. no, it wouldn't have the same effect protesting that tragedy, because

it was not politically viable like this one.

[seabeyond]

113. right, you got jackson figured, check his history

you point just isnt valid

[goodboy]

117. all I want to know is why he chose Schiavo, and not Sun.

[seabeyond]

96. and it may not be true, goodboy you dont know n/t

[seabeyond]

76. that wasnt in the news, that was done, and the only

reason anyone knew about it was because of the shiavo to do.

again,..........you imply he isnt bothered with that. how do you know. i dont know

[goodboy]

86. because, if he truly believed what he was saying in FL now, wouldn't

you think he'd have made an appearance there as well?

No cameras there.

[seabeyond]

98. people didnt find out about it until after......it happened

under the radar. now goodboy, i am willing to give jackson time. he is busy now doing his work. lets see if he discusses this case and law in texas as time goes on and this issue

[goodboy]

100. ok, in the mean time, I'll still call RW mouthpieces what they are. (nt)

[goodboy]

63. I agree 100% with that comment. But he's thinking about '08! (nt)

[seabeyond]

72. how do you know. hasnt media and repugs showed us

it really doesnt behove us to just make up a story. why in the world would you put a fact like he is doing this merely because he wants to run in 08 without any factual information, just an opinion of yours, a story you create for your entertainment

we can do better than that surely

[seabeyond]

68. i dont know his position on that

maybe he doesnt see that as murder, like some people. but really i cant say if there is a consistancy or not, because i have not heard him talk about this. but i do give, that there can be hypocrisy there. i just personally do not know

so i wont assume

[goodboy]

73. he said that this is immoral, unnecessary, appalling, etc...in other

words...'it does not matter one bit what mrs. schiavo wanted.

again, he's spewing RW talking points. At this point, I can't tell the difference between him and Randall Terry.

[goodboy]

58. the least he could do is learn the facts in this case and not spew

RW talking points into the echo chamber.


Is he thinking about 2008?

[Vladimir]

92. A sampling of Rev. Jackson's views

http://www.suntimes.com/index/jesse.html

calling him a "whore" and an "uncle tom" for one misjudgement amongst a correct stance on nearly every issue out there is quaint to say the least. If you want your political figures that pure, I would be curious to know how you managed to vote for Kerry in the election...

[goodboy]

106. Do you think Vlad, that politics doesn't play into his decision to

go to FL?

[Vladimir]

114. I don't care one way or the other

I am just curious at your choice of language. By all means disagree with him, be disappointed, be angry, whatever - but calling him a "whore" or an "uncle tom" cheapens those terms. I mean, I would just love to see what language you reserve for Democrats who publically support the war on terror, or vote to approve Gonzales, or disagree with you on an issue that actually matters...

[goodboy]

118. You're right about one thing:

You don't want to know what I call DINOs...

[nolabels]

95. Goodboy, there is a saying

I goes "Don't stir shit, it only makes smell worse"

That being said, there are people who work with sewage


http://www.joe-ks.com/work.htm

Btw, the more we make a:woohoo:the more they will parade that fool in front of us ( that is if you take in the CON anyway)

Poll question: Second DU rename-the-media poll
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3373164&mesg_id=3373164

[goodboy]

109. Gotcha...I've been known to be a shit-stirrer...I'll be gooder from now on

[nolabels]

121. Hey, I applaud your efforts and like your energy

To think I even voted for the guy back in the 88 primary, makes me go whoa. It's all okay with me, telling it like it is makes DU a place tolerable for the hardy and the weak. If someone don't know where the off button is on their P.C. that is not anybodies else's problem but their own.

Thanks for putting a shout out on the Ed Schultz show for us DUers also, that was cool :thumbsup:

[goodboy]

127. If only Ed had given me a little more time...we'd STILL be talking about

it. I love this place, and any chance I get, I'm gonna give the shout out.

[butchcjg]

124. MUST we use "whore"

Why must we continually use teh word "whore"...

Feminists have long fought the word "whore", yet here there are always a bunch of men throwing it around.

Why not call him a dork or a dweeb or a sellout or a jerk or whatever...but why whore?

That's the equivalent of someone saying, "That's so gay!" as a putdown.

[XemaSab]

137. Whore = someone who

sells him or herself for a cheap buck.

[goodboy]

138. If Jessie Jackson's "rhetoric don't fit...is it bullshit..."

Props to Gooddad for that one.

[butchcjg]

126. Lots of people disagree...

Lots of people on BOTH sides have differing opinions about this case.

It's a tragedy, for sure.

But, I don't think that just b/c Jesse Jackson disagrees with me that all of a sudden he's some horrible immoral whore, blah blah blah.

[thedevilinthedetails]

131. You guys are just realizing that about Jessie?

You mean "Mr. Moral" Jackson? Mr "fathered how many children out of wedlock" hypocrite Jackson?

Come on, don't act so surprised!

[goodboy]

133. proof that cameras attract whores like a bug light. (nt)

[goodboy]

136. Doesn't anyone else think he's grandstanding down there for RW

votes for 2008?

[Moderator]

139. Locking

This topic is not providing productive discussion.