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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:37 PM Original message |
There is only one true and irrefutable religious position: Agnosticism |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. I wouldn't be too sure about that |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Right |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. the answer is "42" |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
84. "What is 7 times 6". n/t |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
87. What do you get when you multiply six by nine? |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. actually it's from "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 06:48 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. No, that was the question Frankie Mouse made up. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 06:56 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. duh.. that is right |
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Snotcicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
89. I would agree......... for now..............eom |
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kcwayne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. You cannot prove Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny do not exist |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. If someone did, I couldn't tell him he was wrong |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. But you could tell him he can't be so sure |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I'm not 100% sure whether they exist or not... |
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cestpaspossible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Maybe not, but I'm keeping the presents AND the chocolate bunny. |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
66. I believe in the Easter Chick!!!! |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. These are two different issues |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. But how can you think there is or isn't...if you can't know for sure? |
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cestpaspossible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I might not be able to know for sure if she had an orgasm |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Some people think they do know or can know |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. I never really answered your question |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I'm totally with you |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I think the problem is |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
56. Maybe I'm the first true Agnostic that ever walked the earth |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. or maybe you don't understand the definition of the word |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. I'll stick to the dictionary.com definition I started with |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:57 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Dictionaries just report common usage |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:43 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Would you please read this linked article and tell me your thoughts? |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
79. I disagree with this paragraph: |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. thanks for reading it |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. actually, agnosticism |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
10. has anyone here seen Highlander? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
13. Oh shucks. You have no idea what you just started |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. You ask: |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Atheism means a lack of belief in a god |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. I hope that language is useful to you as a label. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. You don't see any other purpose for language? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Then discard the labels for the moment |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. It is so fucking simple what I'm saying: |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Answering the wrong question |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Or are you asking the wrong question? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Oh Boy |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. To answer your questions with more respect: |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. See my post below |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. And see mine. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. It is insufficient on its own |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. You offer only oxymorons. Let me explain: |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Improper context |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Like I originally said: |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Should not? |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. There are no silver bullets |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Doesn't bother me |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. They lean in the direction that it is unknowable |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. The mind cares little for politics or power |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. Great post! |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. You're presenting the poster with what's called a "false delimma" |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. We are dealing with matters of the mind |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
37. A gnostic atheist? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. They're using the word gnostic to describe one particular group of people |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Bingo, and ironically |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. But an agnostic atheist cannot truly exist |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Agnostic Theists Are Quite Common, Actually |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Confusion is quite common, yes. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. It's Not Confusion, And It's Intellectually Honest |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Yes, they admit that they are making shit up. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Why So Combative? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. That isn't confusion |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Here's why: |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Because they refer to two different issues |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. You're wrong |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Ummm, No, Even According To That Definition |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Certainly you can be somewhere in the middle |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Tricky |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. I will say such a position can exist temporarily |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:36 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Dunno |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Proof? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Huh |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. gnosis means knowledge, gnostics are believers of a particular mythology |
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kliljedahl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
16. I consider myself to be an Agnostic. |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
19. agnosticism vs. religion |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. And only through Agnosticism can you finally be freed from religion |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
51. I was very skeptical even as a child |
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cprise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 06:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
91. On the whole, I would say that is incorrect |
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fat free goodness (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 06:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
93. Agnosticism can lead you TO religion |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 06:56 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. This post illustrates how there can be no common ground |
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fat free goodness (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-30-05 09:17 AM Response to Reply #98 |
102. I was replying to the post (#22) directly preceding mine. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
21. I've been an agnostic for more than 20 years now |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
27. Ahhhh, but the existence of a god is a human position |
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moof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
75. Pretty close Walt, do you concurr with this small adjustment ? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-30-05 07:04 AM Response to Reply #75 |
101. Good point. I concur 100%. n/t |
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fat free goodness (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
94. But that isn't necessarily true. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-30-05 07:03 AM Response to Reply #94 |
100. The invisible pink unicorn MAY have created the universe |
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kaitykaity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
32. I came to my agnosticism with the help of Robert Heinlein. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
36. There might be a race of invisble clowns who live on my nose. |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
53. Not true. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:50 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. Sorry but you are simply mistaken. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Errr, Responsibility That Comes With God and His Laws? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
50. Consider the millions of gods that have existed |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
82. When my wife first asked me if I thought there is a God, |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 06:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
96. Yes, but in this forum...your response is likely to generate |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 06:59 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. And at least 10,000 differing opinons, plus |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-05 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
86. Actually, Thomas Huxley invented the term, and it literally means |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-30-05 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
103. If there is one God there is more than one God |
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