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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:02 PM
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Whatever happened with the Navy officer who refused to go to Iraq?
Pablo Paredes from San Diego?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20041206-1325-ca-iraq-sailorsprotest.html

Is he in jail? Or was he Patriot-acted and we'll never hear from him again?
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:05 PM
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1. this site has some info
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:07 PM
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2. I think he was a P.O. but ...
just over the weekend, someone posted a news article in LBN noting that the Navy was giving him a special court martial (which is far better than a general court martial) and his is living and working on base in San Diego, my guess at 32nd Street.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:11 PM
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3. He's was on Democracy Now this a.m.
He's waiting to hear what his punishment will be, but expects possibly to have to do a year in jail. Maybe something on the Democracy Now website will elaborate. Also, this show can be seen on various channels, cable & satellite, at different times.

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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:12 PM
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4. Pablo Paredes Faces Court Martial For Refusing to Fight in Iraq
Pablo Paredes Faces Court Martial For Refusing to Fight in Iraq

The US military has announced another court-martial of a service member for refusing to go to Iraq. Petty Officer 3rd Class Pablo Paredes is a weapons control technician who joined the Navy in 2000. In December, he refused to board the USS Bonhomme Richard as it left for a six-month tour in the Pacific and Indian oceans. At the time, he said he hoped his protest might inspire other sailors, soldiers and Marines to refuse to take part in the war. On Friday, the Navy announced that Paredes will face a special court-martial, the military equivalent of a civilian misdemeanor trial. The charges against him include absence without leave and missing movement. The 23-year-old from the Bronx, New York, faces a maximum of one year in jail, a forfeiture of pay, reduction in rank and a bad-conduct discharge if he's convicted. No date for a court-martial has been set. Paredes has applied for contentious objector status and a decision is expected next week. A Navy chaplain who met with Paredes in January wrote that it was "morally imperative" that his request be granted. When we last spoke to him, he was underground. Pablo Paredes joins us on the line now from San Diego.

PABLO PAREDES: Well, it was a very unexpected situation, not in that I didn't expect legal charges to eventually be brought, but the timeliness, because much like when I was recruited, I went in expecting one thing and came out getting a totally different one. I showed up, and I was told the week before that Friday would be the day that I would be told if my conscientious objector package would be approved at the local level. So I went in kind of jittery and wondering how that was going to play out, and I was told the conscientious objector package ruling was postponed until next week and that I should step into one of the chief's offices. And when I stepped into the chief's office, I was handed papers and told that I was going on special court-martial, and the charges that were filed against me. It was interesting because it had been three months since I had turned myself in, and there's really not a thorough investigation that needs to go on. There are two charges that are very basic, and everything that has happened is on camera. So there's not too much investigating that has to happen. So up until now, the fact that they had waited three months had led me to believe that they were going to take the conscientious objector package seriously, but now I'm inclined to think that was more just to let the buzz around the situation quiet down.


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/28/1434217

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:16 PM
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5. Beats going to Iraq, that's for sure.
The 23-year-old from the Bronx, New York, faces a maximum of one year in jail, a forfeiture of pay, reduction in rank and a bad-conduct discharge if he's convicted.

I'd take THAT over war any day.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:23 PM
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6. He Would Have Been
Aboard ship all the time. It wasn't a question of being in battle. You can listen to his story on Democracy Now or read the transcripts of his interviews there.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:26 PM
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7. You're right. My respect for him has just increased tenfold.
It's about all the OTHER people he would be transporting to their deaths.

He's just been upgraded from "brave person" to "hero" in my judgment.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:43 PM
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8. I have much more respect for him than the soldier who
ran up to Canada and was just denied refugee status. This guy stood up and said I don't believe in this and I am not going and stayed to face his punishment. The other guy snuck out and then from Canada where he was safe said I don't believe in this and I am not going.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 08:16 PM
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10. Are you old enough to be called up? too old? too young?
Are you the Veteran of a foreign war?

Do you mind me asking, lenidog?
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 08:28 PM
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11. Been there, done that and I didn't get a t-shirt
I was in the First Gulf War and then peacekeeping duties in Bosnia before I left
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:48 AM
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12. Thank you for all. n/t
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 07:45 PM
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9. From a cynical point of view
even if it does it isn't as if he is ever going to see any combat. They are not going to get the Bohomme Richard up the Tigris or the Euphrates.
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