Lou Dobbs

[gnofg]

My post was a putdown of every DU'er who aid that starvation is a "peaceful" way to die. She is moaning because she is in pain. They had to inject morphine so she wouldn't feel pain. This is barbaric

[MoonRiver]

1. Were you zapped?

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[BlueEyedSon]

10. OK, smartie pants, how should she be painlessly & legally euthanized?

[cornermouse]

2. You didn't bother to read the replies to your post, did you?

[gnofg]

5. Tried to

respond and got zapped.

[cornermouse]

11. Then you didn't comprehend.

The morphine is standard procedure. And since she is getting morphine, I doubt she feels much of anything. Actually it was questionable how much she felt prior to the morphine.

[davhill]

4. Imagine the outcry here if she were

a puppy or a wild animal and was being intentionally starved to death. I guess because she is just a human without higher consciousness it is OK to treat her like this.

[gnofg]

7. Michael

knows better because he owns her

[MoonRiver]

20. "OWNS"? But, but what happened to the sanctity of marriage?

Guess that only applies when people do what YOU want them to do. :thumbsdown:

[Walt Starr]

25. What the fuck klind of asinine bullshit is that statement?

Michael Shiavo is her husband and her legal guardian.

[MoonRiver]

14. Because animals don't have the same "rights", they are put to sleep

quickly and humanely. Dr. Kavorkian promoted this type of humane ending, like many other countries around the world have, but our crazed government would never hear of it. I'm talking about euthanasia which occurs only with the written permission of a patient. Wouldn't have applied to Terri S anyway, so this is just an academic comparison. Still, terminal and/or brain dead animals are allowed to pass in a much easier manner.

[patrice]

15. You do nothing for whatever value you have to offer,

by purposely mischaracterizing others. You demonstrate that truth is of less value to you than "scoring" some kind of rhetorical point.

[lastliberalintexas]

30. Why? Because she's being honest?

The personal attack was unwarranted.

[hippiechick]

6. She is probably 'moaning'

... because the respiratory system is shutting down.
They're reflexive sounds that the body emits as rigor mortis sets in and gases get forced out.

My mother died at home from cancer of the brain and didn't eat/drink for + 2 weeks before she passed - she retreated to her bed and slept away. She was IN NO PAIN.


Jebus, get some facts, will ya ?

[gnofg]

9. I administered

the morphine to my mom on the last day she was alive. My Mom was in terrible pain and she was hallucinating as she died. It was horrible. This is horrible

[BlueEyedSon]

16. Maybe you should have kept her alive, in a coma, indefinitely.

You could still be with her... no pain, no morphine!

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[gnofg]

33. Then

why did you say I could still be with her if you know the pain of a mom dying from cancer

[BlueEyedSon]

36. Thought you were advocating life-at-all-costs vs palliative care

(bordering on euthanasia)

So which part of the Sciavo family drama is horrible?

[Connie_Corleone]

31. Wishing cancer on someone??

You're not the only one who has watched their mother die of cancer. I was 16 when my mother died of cancer.

Don't wish cancer on anyone!!

[gnofg]

37. I wouldn't

but if you saw his response to me it was pretty cruel

[MoonRiver]

32. You hope that do you?

What a piece of work. :puke:

[patrice]

8. I kind of thought that might be what you were doing.

Personally, I've always found sarcasm of dubious use with strangers and especially on the internet.

I'm about 50:50 on this question, but I'd like to poing out that moaning doesn't necessarily mean she is in pain.

As in my sister's recent death, the morphine may have been used to help suppress breathing in order to bring her a little quicker to the doorway.

[DesEtoiles]

12. the family had the power for a different resolution but they chose

to play political games with Randall Terry

[gnofg]

18. they

have had zero say in this process

[Walt Starr]

13. I ain't buying it. n/t

[gnofg]

17. You never

buy anything because you are one of the people who said she can't feel pain. It is peaceful. Watch the report. Lou Dobbs tonight

[Walt Starr]

22. SHE CANNOT FEEL PAIN BECAUSE SHE HAS NO BRAIN!

I don't care about emotional touchy feely bullshit arguments in this. She has no cerebral cortex ergo she cannot feel pain.

What was Terri Shiavo died fifteen years ago and her body is catching up.

Be rational and stop the bullshit touchy feely crap. The woman died when her brain liquified!

[gnofg]

27. can you

prove that. Like I said she only moans because nothing is bothering her.

[Walt Starr]

35. You're goddamned right I can prove that!

Here's the proof. She has no brain!



The dark blue is spinal fluid. The light areas are scar tissue. There is no cerebral cortex. Cerebral cortex is reqired to process the sensation of pain, ergo Terri Shiavo feels no pain.

[MrNiceGuyDied]

34. Lou 'Never met a Mexican that wasn't trying to steal jobs' Dobbs?

OMG.

Prove she is moaning.

How does Lou know she is moaning?

She was given morphine in case she felt pain.

Lou Dobbs is your source. HAHA

Thanks for the update.

Hey I bet you think Michael is hiding something that's why he refuses an autopsy.

Oh wait he is letting an autopsy be preformed.

[Walt Starr]

19. She moans because a few synapses in her brainstem misfire

She has no cerebral cortex (c.f. CT Scan of Terri Shiavo's brain), ergo she cannot feel pain.

She's dead and her body is finally catching up fifteen years later.

[salin]

21. What does the thread title

have to do with the thread content? Where does Lou Dobbs fit in?

[Connie_Corleone]

24. She was given 2 very small doses of morphine last week and

Saturday. She is NOT on a morphine drip. The moaning is common when the body is shutting down. The nurse administered the 2nd morphine when she heard the moan.

From what I've read, she moans when her body is reacting to something. It's reflexive and is common with patients in a persistent vegetative state.

Morphine is not always given when there is pain. Sometimes, the nurses will give morphine in order to calm the family's anxieties. The patient doesn't need it.

[Walt Starr]

29. The morphine is in suppository form

and she only gets 5 mg. The administration of morphine has absolutely nothing to do with pain because Terri Shiavo is incapable of feeling pain.

[LittleClarkie]

28. You lost me on the connection to Lou Dobbs and your post

Could you explain.

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