Michael Schiavo's lawyer says that Michael has requested an

[whistle]

...autopsy on Terri by the Pinelles County corner's department before her cremation. Terri has not expired.

[Bouncy Ball]

1. Uh, I'm sure the autopsy will be performed

AFTER her death, which has got to be any time now.

Wait, on edit, were you just adding that she hasn't expired so people will know? Maybe I misread your post. Someone in the lounge just said he ordered an autopsy on her NOW and I don't know if they were joking or not.

[onenote]

2. the fundies will never accept the results --

bet on it.

onenote

[Bouncy Ball]

4. Nope, they won't.

They've been bitching that she isn't getting autopsied, well now she is. So now they'll bitch that the medical examiner was biased or the Devil or Pontious Pilate or something.

[burythehatchet]

13. Just like "Judge Greer's devious plot

to have himself randomly assigned to this case is finally paying off."

[onenote]

32. he's a medical examiner -- definitely not part of the culture of life

[Left Is Write]

36. It will be a "liberal, activist medical examiner with an agenda."

[cornermouse]

6. Still a necessity.

The majority will understand. It may seem hard to believe, but numerically speaking the fundies are a minority.

[BlueEyedSon]

3. You sure he asked? Maybe he just CONSENTED.

[mondo joe]

5. IMO he's been pretty legally prescient - I'll bet he did request it

just as he requested the court to determine Terri's wishes.

[tammywammy]

7. I didn't think it was something that could be consented to

Either the Medical Examiner said they were going to do one, or someone could request the ME to do one. But I don't think that it was within Michael Schiavo's scope to deny the ME's office.

[Bluebear]

11. That crowd is now insisting he beat her to a pulp

And that is why she ended up in her condition. FOX news had a 'psychologist' on the other night that said Michael "fit the profile of an abuser"... so the Randall terry crowd demanded she be autopsied to learn the "truth".

This poor shell of a human has become nothing but a football.

[tammywammy]

18. You know, if her parents thought he was such an abuser

Why did they not contest his guardian ship when he was appointed guardian a few months after the accident.

Why did this "abuse" not come out during the malpractice trail?

Why did they allow him to live with them during the first few years after her accident.

If she was strangled, why didn't the ER docs notice anything?

ARRGHH. I can't believe people think he beat her into this condition.

And when an autopsy proves that he had nothing to do with it, well the ME was in on the conspiracy to kill her. The fundies will never believe the truth, because they don't want to believe that she wouldn't want to live in this condition or that Michael was really just trying to carry out his wishes, that Michael isn't the devil incarnate.

[BlueEyedSon]

22. Well she has had 15 years to heal

not to mention 15 years of medical personnel scrutinizing her.

I'm sure it's BS.

[Left Is Write]

38. These spurious accusations of abuse make me furious.

There is NO evidence that he abused her. None. The abuse tactic was clearly a ploy by the Schindlers to usurp his rights as her next of kin.

[oldcoot]

48. Isolation

One of the signs of an abusive spouse is that he or she tries to isolate the victim from the victim's family. How does the the "psychologist" explain the fact that Michael Schiavo initially had a good relationship with her parents?

[Behind the Aegis]

8. Will this end the suspicion that Micheal has something to hide?

I was a little surprised that people jumped to the conclusion he was hiding something. I guess this will shut those suspicions down. I wish I could believe that!

[dflprincess]

44. No it won't

I saw Randall Terry on Countdown (I think it was Countdown) all ready disparaging the yet to be performed autopsy results. He said that it will show she died of dehydration and that the damage that put her in this condition was done 15 years ago and won't show up blah, blah, blah

[napi21]

9. Why would he want an autopsy?

I thought they only did those when cause of death was undetermined.

[K-W]

26. Because the fundies keep making up wild stories.

He wants the facts all documented.

[LibraLiz1973]

10. Good for him. I'll bet $500 he did it & announced it because

The parents & their insane surrogates have been blabbering all over the place that he wants to quickly have her cremated about 3 minutes after death because he's "hiding" something. They said he had already said there wouldn't be an autopsy & that he was trying to kill her and get rid of her ASAP without allowing an autopsy so that no one would ever know "what he did". They are basically all over the place saying he beat her and is responsible for her condition.

It's like As The World Turns over there.

[mondo joe]

14. we disagreed on the other thread but I'm 100% with you here.

[LibraLiz1973]

20. You know who I feel bad for? His kids.

They are probably so damn uncomfortable with all those lunatics camped outside of their home.

[slackmaster]

25. You're probably right, it's a giant CYA and I don't blame him

And welcome to DU!

:toast:

[phish420]

12. Any partcular reason why?

Just wondering why he wants an autopsy to officially declare her dead from starvation or renal failure or whatever...don't see what purpose it would serve...or would the official cause of death be something else?

[shraby]

15. Any link to the remark?

[Kadie]

16. from what I heard earlier

He has requested the autopsy to show the severity of his wife's medical problems and to hopefully put to rest some of the controversy over her condition.

[Connie_Corleone]

19. You're exactly right.

The FOX rumor was that Michael beat her up and broke her bones and an autopsy would show that she had broken bones in the past or something. This autopsy should put those rumors to rest among sane people.

As for the insane.....

[phish420]

45. Yes, just heard this also

that does actually make sense. Thanks.

[cornermouse]

21. Evidence of the extent of brain damage for the public.

[tammywammy]

35. I journeyed over to Freeperville

And they want proof to that her brain liquefied. Freaky. I don't know why I torture myself with that place.

[Left Is Write]

40. They don't seem to grasp that we, as the public, are not

entitled to know anything about this case or Mrs. Schiavo's brain.

[tammywammy]

43. Right, I agree.

I certainly don't want the American public going over my medical records and autopsy after I die.

But it's a catch-22 for Michael, if he doesn't release records, then he's obviously a wife beater. And if he does and it shows he wasn't abusive and that Terri was in a PVS state, then it's a conspiracy hiding the truth.

I feel for him.

[Left Is Write]

50. So do I. They've already tried and convicted him.

[K-W]

27. To disprove the other theories pushed by the parents.

That foul play was involved and Michael is hiding something, and that his motive in this was to get rid of her to that purpose.

[rzemanfl]

29. I believe they will weigh her brain. That to me is why. Just to

show the doctors were right and the congresspeople, senators, quacks, etc. were not.

[Gothmog]

17. here is a link

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/1411937.html

[LibraLiz1973]

23. This was from an article this AM

The family has suggested that an autopsy might confirm their claims that Michael Schiavo abused his wife before her collapse, an accusation he has repeatedly denied. It was not clear whether any autopsy would be performed, and the Pinellas County Medical Examiner's Office did not return calls seeking clarification.

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/03/28/news/nation/monnat05.txt

[Pepperbelly]

24. I sincerely hope this is in prelude to some MONSTER defamation ...

suits.

Lord knows he has plenty of targets. I have heard him accused of everything from abuse to neglect to murder. I would sue the dog shit out of the talking head, bloviating, speculating, rat-bastard sons-of-bitches.

[gollygee]

31. Yeah! That's what I think too!

The things that have been said about him by people who claim to be moralists . . . .

:banghead:

[AngryOldDem]

28. Did I hear correctly about the Schindlers?

I thought I heard on CBS this evening that Schiavo was planning to be at Terri's bedside when she died, but because he will be there, the Schindlers will not be.

Now...doesn't that just say it all? Up until now nothing could keep the Schindlers away from the daughter. But they won't be at the bedside apparently out of pure spite.

Can this spectacle get any sorrier?

[mondo joe]

30. There's Solomon's Solution for you, in reverse.

They'd rather not be with her at all than have to share a room with her husband.

[gnofg]

34. they

can't be together. Michael determines who is by the bedside and if he doesn'want them there thy are not allowed to be there.

[mondo joe]

37. Cite the source for this please.

[AngryOldDem]

39. That may be

but that was not the impression I was given.

I'm not saying that either side is any better than the other here. But, my God. Someone is losing a wife and someone is losing a daughter. Put aside the animosities just for a minute and BE THERE FOR HER. Christ.

I also heard that they are squabbling over her funeral arrangements.

[tammywammy]

42. I think I read that the current arrangement

is that when Michael's there, the Schlinder's aren't and vice versa. They even have it where they don't cross each other in the hall.

So, if Michael's in the room when Terri passes on, the Schlinder's won't/can't.

I think with them calling him a murderer, you know, the tension would erupt into something that would be horrible. Therefore, he has all the reasons, not to want to be near them, and vice versa.

[Jeanette in FL]

33. I wonder if Jeb will restrict access to autopsy reports

Like he did when Dale Earnhardt died at Daytona. He signed a special law to restrict photos etc. unless a court approved releasing them. It will be interesting to see what he allows this time around and to whom.

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. Mr. Schindler insinuated that the Doctors might give her morphine

to speed up her death. Michael was very smart to do this. Maybe he should line up 3-4 coroners for 3-4 different opinions...just to cover all bases?

[mondo joe]

46. A-ha! Autopsies are provided by DEATH DOCTORS! Not LIFE DOCTORS!

I'm waiting to see what the cremmate-to-avoid-autopsy crowd makes of this.

[tammywammy]

47. The Freepers have already decided any autopsy will be false

That Michael Schiavo has already set it up to where the ME will only produce the results that he wants.

If you can to venture over...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1372632/posts

[Rosco T.]

49. I've already had one Freep say he didn't consent, but...

... it would be ORDERED and he's getting ready to leave the state to avoid being arrested...

they said because...

406.11 Examinations, investigations, and autopsies.--

(1) In any of the following circumstances involving the death of a human being, the medical examiner of the district in which the death occurred or the body was found shall determine the cause of death and shall, for that purpose, make or have performed such examinations, investigations, and autopsies as he or she shall deem necessary or as shall be requested by the state attorney:

(a) When any person dies in the state:

1. Of criminal violence.

2. By accident.

3. By suicide.

4. Suddenly, when in apparent good health.

5. Unattended by a practicing physician or other recognized practitioner.

6. In any prison or penal institution.

7. In police custody.

8. In any suspicious or unusual circumstance.

9. By criminal abortion.

10. By poison.

11. By disease constituting a threat to public health.

12. By disease, injury, or toxic agent resulting from employment.

(b) When a dead body is brought into the state without proper medical certification.

(c) When a body is to be cremated, dissected, or buried at sea.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0406/ch0406.htm

morans...

[whistle]

52. Of course, they didn't think of it first, so now they are discrediting...

...the idea. But, it should go forward never the less.

[whistle]

51. What if Terri Schiavo's teenage overweight problem and eating

...disorder came about as the result of early childhood abuse? There appears to much a lot of evidence which points in that direction either from her parents who are desperately trying to point blame and guilt on Terri's husband or possibly from Terri's other relatives. Somewhere I read or heard a report that Terri was born Jewish. Does that mean her parents converted to Catholicism or was Terri adopted?

There are many websites on indicators of child abuse. Here is one that appears very complete:

<link> http://www.helpguide.org/mental/child_abuse_physical_emotional_sexual_neglect.htm

<snip>

Child Abuse: Types, Signs, Symptoms, Causes and Help

Child abuse is both shocking and commonplace. Child abusers inflict physical, sexual, and emotional trauma on defenseless children every day. The scars can be deep and long-lasting. Unfortunately, the more subtle forms of child abuse such as neglect and emotional abuse can be just as traumatizing as violent physical abuse. Focused support can help both the victims of child abuse and the child abusers themselves.

What is the definition of child abuse?
Child abuse consists of any act or failure to act that endangers a child's physical or emotional health and development. A person caring for a child is abusive if he or she fails to nurture the child, physically injures the child, or relates sexually to the child.

What are the types of child abuse?
The four major types of child abuse are:

Physical abuse
Sexual abuse
Emotional abuse
Neglect

Another type of abuse is child exploitation (distinct from sexual exploitation). This is the use of a child in work or other activities for the benefit of others. Child labor is an example of child exploitation for commercial reasons. Using a child in this way detracts from their own physical, mental, and social development.

<more>

Read the entire site home page. It reads like a road map for fundementalist child rearing, capitalistic job out-sourcing guidelines and neo-conservative management/worker relations.
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