TIME poll: GOP really stepped in it this time

[Bluebear]

"I should have stayed home!!"

[Midnight Rambler]

1. You know they'll dreide this as a "focus group"

Always talking about the will of the majority, except for those times when the majority doesn't bend to their will.

[Jack Rabbit]

2. Man, did the Bush boys ever miscalculate this one

Defying the courts, which is what they were proposing, would only work if public opinion were on their side. It wasn't.

Not only did they misjudge public opinion, but they misjudged the potential fallout.

The only good news for the Republicans is that the congressional elections are still a year and a half away.

[knight_of_the_star]

20. So?

One and a half years is enough time to keep this riled up, use it to make EVERYTHING the pigs who voted for this look like what their votes truly are.

[Jack Rabbit]

24. It's also enough time to let people forget this and try something else

It may be morbid to point this out, but Terry Schiavo will be dead a buried by this time next week.

What bothers me most about the events of the last week is that it showed that the Bush brothers and the rest of the Republican leadership are willing to play demagogues to the rabble in a very dangerous way. When I read that crap Hal Turner had up on his website a couple of days ago, I was worried that someone was going to do something that we all would have regretted. People like Turner and Randall Terry don't give two bits for the law and were given every reason to think the authorities in Florida and Washington didn't, either.

[roguevalley]

3. the comment about not voting for your boy again if he was a part

of this is talking point number one in the 2006 campaigns.

[Walt Starr]

4. I used to believe Rove was not a part of this and DeLay was the instigator

I now believe Karl Rove totally miscalculated and is deficating massive quantities of construction ingots.

[Catherine Vincent]

5. I've never known nuns to be camera hogs...

Is that a neck brace?

[NNN0LHI]

6. Dollar collar n/t

[charlyvi]

32. WTF?

Is she being raptured?

[Ken Burch]

35. It looks like she's reacting to another unfavorable court ruling.

And no, I don't think she's a nun.

[cynatnite]

7. I would have been in the minority on one question

The parents should have the right to go to court if they believed their son/daughter would have wanted to live. People should have that right, but also should know when it's time to let go, too.

[Erika]

15. Why should the parents have rights?

for adult married children? The spouse has the rights under most state laws because of the sanctity of the marriage contract entered into with the state.

[cynatnite]

18. I don't think parents should be dismissed if they have doubts

They should have say, but the final word is with the spouse. I'm not saying just the Schindler family, but all families.

I thought that question was badly worded.

[Old and In the Way]

33. The Schindlers had plenty of opportunities to make their case

and they lost everytime.

Sorry, the parents should have no say. And what if the parents were a little 'wacky', you know maybe were infirmed in the head....should their judgement be taken over the husband's or wife's? You don't want to create a precedent by the events of this case. You'd stand hundreds of years of common law on its head.

I don't know how old you are, but you really don't want older parents getting in the middle of marriages, like this spectacle shows.

Here's something to ponder....what if it were the parents arguing for the feeding tube to be removed and Michael was arguing for it to remain...would that change your mind about parent's rights?

[tinfoilinfor2005]

23. I'm going to get badly flamed for this one, but

I have to wonder... if the chimp had come out on the side of Terri having the tube pulled, would a great many of us be screaming to allow her to live. And the same on the other side. I think people are queing up behind party lines and Terri is being ripped in half for political reasons. I can already smell the rotten tomatoes coming my way.

[Cooley Hurd]

28. No veggies from me - I can only speak for myself...

...regardless of both Bush brother's involvement, I'd still be in favor of death witrh dignity.

[poppet]

29. I know that I used the story of Terri Schiavo as a case study

in a health care ethics class at a Catholic college over a year ago now (can't quite remember which two semesters) and so I know that my position hasn't changed on the matter. And, by the way, in this class, we used a textbook by a pretty conservative Catholic author who was in favor of removing nutrition and hydration from people in PVS. When I say the author was conservative, I mean he went so far as to say that a hospital could not give emergency contraceptive in the case of rape until the hospital had given a test to see if the woman had ovulated -- if the rape victim had recently ovulated, no emergency contraceptives. The author was fine with removing morally extraordinary means to prolong life - this is part of Catholic tradition.

[wickerwoman]

34. Not really, no.

I think if Bush came out on the side of pulling the tube we'd be saying the exact same thing we're saying now. It's none of his (or anyone else not in the immediate family's) damn business. 82% of Americans simply don't want the government making medical decisions about the people they love. I've rarely seen a issue break down less along partisan lines.

And if you don't like rotten tomatoes stop making lame "critiques" of Dems. I haven't seen anything else from you.

[Skittles]

38. I don't think so

most of America sees this as a deeply personal issue, one we have either already experienced or will experience, and we know it's a damn difficult decision that we cannot imagine in our wildest dreams wanting the input of f***ing politicians

[mconvente]

8. dems should gain from this

The Dems really need to capitalize on this. Show how the Repukes overstepped their bound here (America sees it) and hammer down that their abuse of "values" based politics is huge. Dems can talk about values without being assholes, unlike repukes. This is a major thing we can gain ground on. It's sorta mean in a way, but the repukes led the first step here.

Plus, all the religious right are going nuts down in florida - fucking asshole ignorant motherfucker parents and their KIDS are getting arrested. All these kids "knowing" who's at fault - man, the koolaid drinking must be in bottles. Unbelievable...

[Tesibria]

9. Can I hear an AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt

[quinnox]

10. Yea, but it will only be a distant memory by 2006

I don't have much optimism that these right wing wackos would remember this, much less turn on, the republicans.

[Nostradammit]

17. It's not the right wing wackos that we're concerned with -

it's the sane 80% who will remember because we will be reminding them.

And there will be a whole big plate of fresh outrages between now and then.

[mconvente]

19. exactly

this is just the beginning. either the repukes wont screw up anymore (haha a likely chance) or they will continue to screw up (of course), and now that the nation is tuned to it, they will remember when they go to state, congressional, senate, and presidential polls in the future.

[shrub chipper]

11. and he cut his Crawford vacation

short for this fiasco? LOL

[Erika]

16. The U.S. taxpayer paid for W's flight

from Texas to D.C.to sign a bill that most Americans find ridiculous.

[Al-CIAda]

12. Devistating #'s! -nt

[Bluebear]

14. Of course, that monkey "doesn't read polls"

[intheflow]

27. Yes, but maybe the pretty colors in the pie charts will catch his attn.

MAKE THE PIE HIGHER
by George W. Bush

I think we all agree, the past is over.
This is still a dangerous world.
It's a world of madmen and uncertainty
and potential mental losses.

Rarely is the question asked
Is our children learning?
Will the highways of the Internet become more few?
How many hands have I shaked?

They misunderestimate me.
I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.
I know that the human being and the fish can coexist.
Families is where our nation finds hope, where our wings take dream.

Put food on your family!
Knock down the tollbooth!
Vulcanize society!
Make the pie higher! Make the pie higher!

[liberalhistorian]

13. Hence the sudden silence from both

Bushie Boys these past few days after coming in swinging like avenging cowboys. I think the arrogant fuckheads were absolutely shocked at the polls, I'm sure they thought everyone was on their side and fate would smile on them again, as usual.

But even people (like me) who didn't want her feeding tube removed and who thought her parents should have the right to be her guardians were disgusted and dismayed at the congressional and governmental intervention, seeing it for the selfish grandstanding that it was. And they also correctly saw the danger in defying courts and the rule of law.

[peekaloo]

21. shat in their hat

is that a pic of a woman doing pious pilates?

[ThoughtCriminal]

22. Small part I don't get

Why there's a small group who apparently think it was wrong for Congress but OK for Bush to intervene. An odd view of Federal powers or Jr's divine right?

[journalist3072]

25. Wow! This is truly amazing!

I would love to see Shrub or Jeb's response on this. Of course, it makes me think back to Pickle's 2000 Repug Convention Speech, when she said her hubby would never be swayed by chaning polls or political winds!

Yea and if she really thinks that, I've got a damn nice bridge in Brooklyn I'd gladly sell her!

[Flammable Materials]

26. Their response? It's already being leaked by the White House:

"Bush didn't really want to fly to Washington in the first place."

[journalist3072]

30. Yep....

I read that after I read the Time poll.

This WH has no shame does it? Just when the Shiavo tragedy no longer seems politically expedient for them, they distance themselves from it. Those bastards have no conscience.

[Mr_Spock]

31. Thanks for putting this informative post together

It's nice to see that we all haven't gone crazy in America.

[spindoctor]

36. It's obviously not a religious thing

According to these numbers, the vote is pretty much split between frequent church goers.

Interesting.

[Bluebear]

37. Exactly, it looks more and more like a staged group of "protestors"

A la the Miami/Dade 2000 "riot".

I would not doubt that Rove bussed in a lot of these nuts because clearly most Christians, even evangelicals, are against the way Bush/Bush/Congress handled this.