Saint Michael

[gnofg]

A quick episode today shows what kind of heart this gentlemen has. The parent's requested communion for their daughter on Easter. He refused, finally when he relented she could only receive it with the hospice's minister's hand between the priest's hand and Terri. Saint Michael shows his true colors. This guy has a mean streak a mile long.

[shrub chipper]

1. Do you WANT her to choke?

Get these ridiculous RW talking points back where they belong.

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[SeanQuinn]

2. Post alerted, no FReepers are on my DU.

N/T

[mondo joe]

4. Good for him. The parents and the psycho protestors have

proven they can't be trusted.

[RetroLounge]

5. This post is full of shit...

I can't comment on you per DU rules...

RL

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[shrub chipper]

12. spelling and syntax ARE very freeperish

There a a large group of very demoocratic people who are disgusted by your intolerance.

[gnofg]

38. I would

love to meet you. Since I am 53 and Asian. I marched on Washington in 1969 against the Vietnam war. I went to Woodstock. I am a deadhead. My father was a union negotiator and I'm from NY. But yes you know I'm a freeper. Now exacyly what wars did you protewst in '69. What rallies did you attend? What part of the antiwar movement were you part of? Did you get gassed at Dupont Circle?

[Walt Starr]

40. I ain't buying it. n/t

[gnofg]

48. Hey

I live in Atlanta. My picture is in the 1970 SUATC at Farmingale yearbook.. Where do you live and I will show up. I'll bet you $10,000. everything I said is accurate. Got any Balls?

[Walt Starr]

50. I ain't buying it. n/t

Gambling on DU is illegal.

[mondo joe]

57. Gambling? Do you think it's Bill Bennett?

That would be a hoot.

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[mondo joe]

63. If you really want to prove something in the technological age

you hardly need to have someone travel the country.

You got something to prove, prove it. If you want to, you can.

[mondo joe]

43. It's interesting that you have psychic powers that let you KNOW

what others feel, but you don't like it when others use the same talent on YOU.

[shrub chipper]

47. and that gives you the right to malign someone

that you don't even know?

When you parrot RW talking points, you will get some reactions around here, no matter how holier-than-thou you consider your own 'credentials'.

[Walt Starr]

37. Who are the "you folks" pilgrim?

Are you saying, you're not a DUer?

[gnofg]

42. There is

an intolerance exhibited by a certain number of people at DU that is unfortunate.. You know exactly what I'm saying. There has been anumber of posts that have discussed this incredible intolerance

[Walt Starr]

46. BULLSHIT!

All that is not tolerated on DU are Reichwing talking points. And you KNOW IT!

[mondo joe]

45. Good catch, Mr. Starr. "You folks" indeed. nt

[gnofg]

52. same offer

to you mondo Joe. Put up $10,000 and I will fly to you and prove everything I said is true. Got any balls

[mondo joe]

54. Please abandon your interest in my testicles - I am not available.

And if you want to PROVE something you hardly need me to travel across the country.

Got something to prove? Prove it.

[Just Me]

61. PM "Just Me". Give me you name, SS, phone and address.

I'll take you up on your offer after you PM me the requested info!!!

:bounce:

[Inland]

6. Ah, the fundies are looking to make everyone hate everyone.

She can't take communion, buddy. She can't eat, and they don't liquify the eucharist.

Looks like the fundies are making stuff up to push everyone's buttons. Disgusting to play off people's religion that way.

[ananda]

7. they put a drop of wine...

... on her tongue.

I think Sciavo was right to make sure that they didn't try to do more since Terri can't swallow.

Sue

[Horse with no Name]

8. She took communion and was administered last rites

AS ORDERED BY THE COURTS before the tube was removed.
The ONLY colors this man has shown are of respect for his wife.

[gnofg]

17. The joke is you call me a fundamenatlist.

I am hardly a fundamenatalist. My family dragged me to church today. I go for my kids. They have asked me to be catholic. I have never become a catholic. I have not practiced religion since I was 12 and then it was for my parents. I went to church a grand total of 20 times in my life. But once again, I am a fundamenatlist. You people amaze me.

[shadowknows69]

19. he didn't even have to give her parents this much

I think it's an admirable gesture.

[Bluebear]

10. I wouldn't let that creepy Friar near my loved one either

It would be like them to smuggle in a deep fried Twinkie and try to "feed" her.

The hospice minister is perfectly qualified, I see nothing wrong with that.

[Dookus]

11. whee!

more right-wing talking points.

If you actually KNEW the rules regarding catholic giving of communion, you'd know she's not in a state to receive it. She also has already received extreme unction, so it's sorta moot.

[Beware the Beast Man]

Thank you.

I was trying to find out how the Church would approach such a situation.

[Inland]

18. Didn't you know?

Fundamentalist right wing christians have all become experts in Catholicism.

In their churches, the very concept of the sacrament of the eucharist is anathema. But they are the first to decide when catholics must have it (Schiavo) and when they shouldn't (Kerry).

I think Mormon Orrin Hatch informed Dick Durbin, a practicing catholic, that Durbin only opposed certain judges out of anti catholic bias.

[seabeyond]

13. he is having death threats against him and his family, his children

you are telling me you cant be a bit compassionate in understanding his hestitancy in embracing the religious. look at them. look at their behavior. the audacity of you to so self righteously with no compassion point the finger at another.

[gnofg]

22. you got it

his family

[Walt Starr]

25. And Teri Shiavo IS HIS FAMILY

Arrogant sons of bitches who stick their noses into PRIVATE MATTERS, notwithstanding.

[gnofg]

30. arrogant

I know what is mean and what is done to hurt people.

[mondo joe]

32. You KNOW? Please, elaborate on your psychic abilities.

I'm very curious.

[Walt Starr]

34. Put it out there.

From your comments you apparently have superhuman powers to read minds.

[shrub chipper]

and the Schindler's have never tried to do harm to him?

Could you possibly consider that , by now, there could quite possibly be , and legitimately so, some hard feelings toward them from Michael?

[seabeyond]

31. well that says a whole lot about you if you cannot be

compassionate or understanding that a young man with a wife in permanent vegetative state were to want a family, children sometime in his future. i hope you dont get judged so harshly on your choices in life

i really dont have much of an issue that 15 years into this, he has children. he goes on with life.

this go beyond sick

just sad

[jdots]

14. Bla bla bla vortne vortne poobah zimdrep

Hey those Dodgers .

[Bluebear]

21. Are you typing in tongues?

:hi:

[jdots]

35. yes in tounges

The Terri stuff finally put me over the edge
Shoebop dremmel moo moo arf arf...
meanwhile on the Air America station in L.A. Jesse Jackson is interviewing Micheal Jackson 6 p.m. western time...hope this is a rerun from about 25 years ago.
Boola Boola Mufie whap whap oy make it all go away.

[Walt Starr]

15. Piffle

She already had last rites. There was no reason for an additional communion.

[Bouncy Ball]

16. God, I'm so sick of this.

SHE'S HIS WIFE FER FUCK'S SAKE. He is her next of kin. He can decide this if he wants. And do you want her to freaking CHOKE on a wafer?

It wouldn't occur to you, would it, that the family's insistence on communion for her was another power play on their part, would it? She has already received the last rites, what would she need to take communion for?

:eyes:

[Beware the Beast Man]

20. But note the OP made no mention of whether it was a wafer or wine-

until cornered.

[Bouncy Ball]

24. True.

Damn if I were Michael Schiavo I wouldn't trust her parents as far as I could throw them, especially since they URGED him to start dating again AND testified in court they'd go against their daughter's wishes even if they HAD been written down!!!! How horrible!

[gnofg]

27. I'm not

a catholic and know nothing about doctrine or the way things ae done in the catholic church. I do know what is mean. My wife and kids are catholic. We have gone to church twice this year. We are ral fundamenatlits.

[Walt Starr]

29. So in other words

You commented on something without knowing shit about it.

[mondo joe]

33. Well you wouldn't want to let not knowing what you're talking about

get in the way of another smear on a good man.

[Bouncy Ball]

41. "fundamenatlits?"

Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about.

It's INSANE to sit there and snarkily call this guy "Saint Michael" and decide all kinds of things about him based on this. It's also insane to spread lies about him abusing her when there is NO evidence of it, and don't you think if there were, there'd have been a criminal and/or a civil case brought against him YEARS ago?

Geez, THINK about things. Think them through. Think about motivation and look who are backing the parents. RANDALL TERRY'S GROUP. Read up on them. These are the same people who have no problem whoring out Jesus in the name of KILLING abortion doctors.

Wouldn't let her have communion, my ass. THERE'S NO REASON FOR HER TO TAKE COMMUNION! She's had her last rites, for crying out loud! I would think, if your kids and wife are Catholic you'd at least know that. I'm not even Catholic and I knew that. It was a power play, just one more thing they thought they'd try to make him look all baaaaad and evil and you just fell right the hell for it.

[Left Is Write]

44. What is "mean" is making unfounded attacks against a man you

have never met, don't know, and whom you make no effort to understand.

[seabeyond]

53. my fundamentalist preaching dude, greatest sin committed

to fellow man is spreading gossip.

you think you ought to get facts and know it is true, or else you are sinnin

[senseandsensibility]

56. ral fundamenatlits?

I don't understand, and there is a spell check feature here at DU. That is, if you want to be understood. Perhaps you're just more interested in spewing right wing talking points.

[mmonk]

23. She had last rites

This must have been for Easter. Its all a shame IMO. Such a spectacle and farce. They are free to do what they want I guess, but she is gone and has been. This is her body kept alive by a non life sustaining amount of the brain and a tube of plastic. Persistive vegetative states indicate no brain activity or "flat line". Her cerebral cortex is 70% gone and liquified. I'm not insensitive, just being factual. I tend to err on the side of life when life has a chance. This doesn't fit.

[roguevalley]

Edited for content upon reflection.

This part stays:

None of us know squat and I certainly won't be repeating second and third hand crap about something I know zip about: Michael and Terri Schiavo's life together.

[Kipepeo]

26. Geez - another thread about Schiavo

I can understand that the media has no integrity and that our politicians have lost most of theirs and so a case about a single woman becomes a sensationalist story where every minute detail is reported with the urgency usually rserved for news of, I don't know, a WAR maybe. They've done it with Jackson, Blake, Peterson, and now Schiavo...and while the American public is distracted by these blown-out-of-proportion individual stories we're in the dark about votes on ANWAR and bankruptcy.

But I can't understand why it's consumed DU to this point.

[roguevalley]

28. Because we get to see the Pugs crash and burn. Its a delicious

spectacle.

[spanone]

36. Blocking......now!

[deadparrot]

39. Well, these people have been saying some pretty brutal stuff about this

man. They treated him as a son, encouraged him to date, lived together after her collapse...MS became a RN so that he could provide treatment for Terri. They were very friendly until they disagreed on the best course of treatment. Then all the allegations of abuse, murder, etc., began.

If my in-laws and I were in a similar situation, I wouldn't be too eager to let the Schindlers do what they want, whether it was "kind" or not.

I'm not saying that anyone's a complete sinner or saint, but if someone was saying things about you that have only come up since you disagreed on something, would *you* take very kindly to allowing them to indulge themselves?

It's humanness. No one is perfect; there are no absolute saints or devils.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

49. "Saint Michael"?

Is that the latest talking point? Someone else used the EXACT SAME PHRASE on this board somehwere else...
This is interesting to say the least. And it reveals a few things that I didn't expect to see in all the time I've been here at DU.

[wickywom]

51. Doesn't being unconscious..

of receiving the communion being given kind of make it ..
oh i don't know-- magic and not so much communion?

I mean really?
Can logic be so far removed from faith and not become ludicrous at some point?
Religious fanatics in this country are bringing down the walls right on top of themselves.

Time for another Reformation, I guess.

I predict serious changes coming to the "Pro Life " movement-- the moderates won't be able to run fast enough and the Catholics will realize that the hardcare Southern Evangelicals still think they worship the Whore of Babylon behind thier backs and that could perhaps splinter them and throw them into the fringes for good. Yes?

[BiggJawn]

55. What's with this "Saint Michael" bullshit?

I see Indiana Green calling him that, now you.

Something "Brother Juniper" or whoever that fraud in the Friar Tuck outfit is called dreamed up?

[Bluebear]

60. Friar Tuck lol

[Moderator]

62. Locking.

This is flamebait.