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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:18 PM
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Naomi Klein Reveals New Details About U.S. Military Shooting of Italian Wa
Naomi Klein Reveals New Details About U.S. Military Shooting of Italian War Correspondent in Iraq


NAOMI KLEIN: Yeah. At first I want to say that I know Giuliana really would have liked to have been on the show herself to talk to your listeners and viewers, but one of the things that surprised me when I met with Giuliana is that she was quite a bit sicker than I think we have been led to believe. Her injuries were described as fairly minor; she was shot in the shoulder. But when I met with her, she was clearly very, very ill, and that's why she's not on the show this morning. She was fired on by a gun at the top of a tank, which means that the artillery was very, very large. It was a four-inch bullet that entered her body and broke apart. And it didn't just injure her shoulder, it punctured her lung. And her lung continues to fill with fluid, and there continues to be complications stemming from that fairly serious injury. So that was one of the details.

She told me a lot about the incident that I had not fully understood from the reports in the press. One of the most – and at first, the other thing I want to be really clear about is that Giuliana is not saying that she's certain in any way that the attack on the car was intentional. She is simply saying that she has many, many unanswered questions, and there are many parts of her direct experience that simply don't coincide with the official U.S. version of the story. One of the things that we keep hearing is that she was fired on on the road to the airport, which is a notoriously dangerous road. In fact, it's often described as the most dangerous road in the world. So this is treated as a fairly common and understandable incident that there would be a shooting like this on that road. And I was on that road myself, and it is a really treacherous place with explosions going off all the time and a lot of checkpoints. What Giuliana told me that I had not realized before is that she wasn't on that road at all. She was on a completely different road that I actually didn't know existed. It's a secured road that you can only enter through the Green Zone and is reserved exclusively for ambassadors and top military officials. So, when Calipari, the Italian security intelligence officer, released her from captivity, they drove directly to the Green Zone, went through the elaborate checkpoint process which everyone must go through to enter the Green Zone, which involves checking in obviously with U.S. forces, and then they drove onto this secured road. And the other thing that Giuliana told me that she's quite frustrated about is the description of the vehicle that fired on her as being part of a checkpoint. She says it wasn't a checkpoint at all. It was simply a tank that was parked on the side of the road that opened fire on them. There was no process of trying to stop the car, she said, or any signals. From her perspective, they were just -- it was just opening fire by a tank. The other thing she told me that was surprising to me was that they were fired on from behind. Because I think part of what we're hearing is that the U.S. soldiers opened fire on their car, because they didn't know who they were, and they were afraid. It was self-defense, they were afraid. The fear, of course, is that their car might blow up or that they might come under attack themselves. And what Giuliana Sgrena really stressed with me was that she -- the bullet that injured her so badly and that killed Calipari, came from behind, entered the back seat of the car. And the only person who was not severely injured in the car was the driver, and she said that this is because the shots weren't coming from the front or even from the side. They were coming from behind, i.e. they were driving away. So, the idea that this was an act of self-defense, I think becomes much more questionable. And that detail may explain why there's some reticence to give up the vehicle for inspection. Because if indeed the majority of the gunfire is coming from behind, then clearly, they were firing from -- they were firing at a car that was driving away from them.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/25/1516242
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:35 PM
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1. Wow! Must have been done by a bunch of murderous Girliemen!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:38 PM
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2. Wow!
:wow:
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:44 PM
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3. wow...
Of course, this whole sorry tale has been dropped (not that it was ever covered - only the denials and misinformation) by the MSM in favor of the Passion of the Terri in Florida.

This is stunning information. Just stunning.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:45 PM
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4. Shots from the rear would explain...
...why the US is afraid to let the Italians (or anyone else) examine the car.

Italian journalists shot in the back by US forces!
A Pentagon spokesman claims they were shot in the back for self-defense and dared anyone to disagree with them.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:45 PM
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5. Whoa!
Thanks for providing this, having these facts out in the open is important.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:46 PM
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6. Very interesting interview.
Worth reading the whole thing.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:52 PM
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7. Let's all just come to these terms: SHE WAS TARGETED BY US SOLDIERS
PURPOSELY.

I mean come on folks let's cut straight to the chase and quit denying that this is possible.

Why the f*** would they be denying access to the car?
http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-740304.php

If this had been commited by an Arab country NOOne would even argue that it wasn't an intentional shooting.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:53 PM
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8. I think MOST people know that it was intentional...
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 12:54 PM by RBHam
It's just that 50 percent of Americans agree with it.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:01 PM
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12. I get in so many arguments on DU about this one
And half these DU'ers are rabidly endorsing the US story and we need to give the US side of the story the benefit of the doubt.


Fighting reality tooth and nail is easier than dealing w/ it I guess.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:08 PM
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16. Not really half.
"And half these DU'ers are rabidly endorsing the US story..."

What you are seeing is a very small but LOUD, PERTSISTENT and RUDE minority. Some of them are posting under several names, and working in teams to hijack threads and sell the government or Corporate(DLC) viewpoint, or at least marginalize those who ask questions.

On Thom Hartmann show today they were discussing reports that the Right Wing Conspiracy is funding professionals to haunt liberal Discussion Boards to:

a)write OUTRAGEOUS posts which they then quote through their media to marginalize blogs,

b) to hijack legitimate discussions.

The CorpoGovernment knows the value of PR and covert propaganda.

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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:55 PM
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17. Wow - we all kinda knew this but, do you have any more information?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:04 AM
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19. You are sooo on target w/ that one.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:56 PM
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9. I see US military training continues to disappoint
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 12:57 PM by HEyHEY
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:57 PM
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10. Why won't the U.S release the car to the Italians???
Frickin damn lier's!
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whitedove Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:57 PM
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11. I hope she gets better soon!
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 12:59 PM by whitedove
I know the soldiers who fied on her car where just following orders, what else are those poor soldiers ordered to do? This is so very sad and wrong!!!.

I just want to scream at the top of my lungs...

I can't take this anymore, America, wake the fuck up!!!!!!

Peace,
Whitedove
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:58 PM
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14. Just following orders...
That excuse won't wash when it comes time to settle. They made their choice to fire on a vehicle moving away from them. I have no respect for those soldiers, but I do have compassion for them and what they will have to live with.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:12 PM
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13. A couple of things about this snag my interest....
1) Jets flying overhead while in captivity... SHE SAYS obviously a rebellion hideout... I'm not so sure

2) Her keepers did not want her to tell the REAL story.. neither does this regime


And of course, the truth about what really happened... fired on from behind on a VERY secure road!!!

Really, just WHO is doing all this kidnapping and walking away with the money? Looks to me like those within Iraq.. resistance and all would want the details made public. Have they refused before? Making the facts known makes them look better and secures their lives better than the truth being hidden. So, to me... it all does not add up. :shrug:
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:02 PM
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15. I always wondered about those conveniently graphic beheadings
just before the second selection. Didn't one of the masked men in one of the pictures have on some kind of a military ring or something? Maybe I'm hallucinating?
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:11 PM
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18. kick
:kick:
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Babel_17 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 02:35 AM
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20. The cover up might be more important than the crime. NT


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