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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:59 AM
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You know, I felt this hopeless during the Reagan era. Things changed . . .
Jimmy Carter's economy notwithstanding, his term was a warm and fuzzy time for me. The highlight was Camp David. Carter set a tone of decency and caring that I felt was a good antidote to what I saw as a divisive period of Nixonian republicanism. I cried in afterschool daycare when the radio announced Johnson wouldn't run, steamed through a grade school rally for Nixon in China, and gritted through the Ford succession. Carter wasn't my first choice- independent John Anderson was- but I was more than satisfied to watch the exit of those evil republicans and basked (for as long as it lasted) in the triumph of Democrats as they took the White House.

Then came Reagan. His victory was like a dagger through my heart. There were the reports of "glamor returning to Washington"; lavish cocktail parties; garish evening wear; wealth and affluence;, everything to hate for a young man with torn blue jeans who marched for the ERA, organized against nuclear energy, dreamed of a life of communal living, living the 'natural' life.

Carter/Reagan was my first presidential vote. It was the first time I invested so much emotional energy in the presidency. I got caught in the warm fuzzies of the Carter presidency during the Camp David accords in 1978 which helped bring Egypt and Israel closer. He was a champion of peace around the globe. I was fascinated by his championship of human rights as he challenged the Soviet Union and others to account for abuses and linked trade to compliance. And later he would complete negotiation of the SALT II nuclear limitation treaty with the Soviet Union.

Sure, there was the energy shortage, but he established a national energy policy and a new Department of Energy, and 'decontrolled' domestic petroleum prices to stimulate production. He expanded the national park system to include the protection of 103 million acres of Alaskan lands and established the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act. President Carter signed 14 wilderness bills into law. The National Wilderness Preservation System went from 14 million acres to 80 million when he was done.

He created the Department of Education, actively enhanced the Social Security system, and appointed record numbers of women, blacks, and Hispanics to Government jobs . . .

The class of voters who worshiped Reagan did so because he gave them free reign to divide and conquer, not in pursuit of something productive or noble, but he gave aid and comfort to those who would spew unvarnished hatred, racism, and patriotic demagoguery in their pursuit of some fascist ideal of a society where all who didn't fall in line with their ideology were to be denied full benefit of basic amenities like jobs, marriage, investment, and representation in our government.

From his advocation of drug testing as a requirement for obtaining menial jobs and activities, to gerrymandered districts that couldn't elect substantial minorities to Congress, from his indifference to the growing AIDS epidemic, to his refusal to meet with the Congressional Black Congress, from his robbery of our hard earned tax dollars and his elimination of any tariff on money taken out of the country and the creation of tax shelters for his rich friends, to his elimination of numerous government programs that low and middle income individuals and families relied on to survive.

Many Americans, abruptly cut off from a welfare system that barely met basic needs, staggered into a newly created, two-tier wage system that provided less pay for new-hires for the same work performed alongside their more fortunate co-workers, with little or no benefits. Many immediately fell further behind because of the absence of basic health care, child care, and rental assistance, which many of the new positions would not provide. Reagan claimed that the increasing number of welfare recipients were an impediment to economic recovery, although welfare represented less than 1.5% of the budget.

"Trickle down", was his legacy. All of the excesses of his wealthy crowd have been trickling down on the rest of us as his rich juniors who make up less than 2% of our population have adopted his arrogant indifference to the plights of ordinary Americans in their desperate attempt to inflate their booty with the product of our hard earned sacrifices, and in their attempt to marginalize the concerns of the rest of us.

Trickle down. All hail the fascist king who taught us how to hate and conquer in the name of America. We will likely never outlive the damage he did to our great society.

Ronald Reagan's administration, at his direction, limited and sought to eliminate numerous government programs that low and middle income individuals and families relied on to survive. Many Americans, abruptly cut off from a welfare system that barely met basic needs, staggered into a newly created, two-tier wage system that provided less pay for new-hires for the same work performed alongside their more fortunate co-workers, with little or no benefits. Many immediately fell further behind because of the absence of basic health care, child care, and rental assistance, which many of the new positions would not provide.

One of the tactics used by Reagan, as he attempted to soften the political blow, was to call on private charities to absorb the burden of the disenfranchised poor without the benefit of federal support. The predictable result was a disintegration of an impoverished community, a disproportionate number black and Hispanic, labeled as greedy and excessive for accepting help which seldom brought them above poverty level. The Reagan administration claimed that the increasing number of welfare recipients were an impediment to economic recovery, although welfare represented less than 1.5% of the budget.

In response to the nation's burgeoning debt crisis, Reagan and his cronies in Congress made countless Americans ineligible for public assistance with an arbitrary adjustment of the levels of eligibility. Reagan's welfare reform movement gave the back of the hand to federal job training programs.

Reagan saw no need for the federal government to finance low income youngster's college education and sought to reduce the federal role in education altogether in his attempt to eliminate the Dept. of Education.

Funding for low and middle income housing assistance and community redevelopment was all but eliminated, creating a stagnation in the nation's poorest neighborhoods. The nation's poor were systematically locked out from opportunity and legislated into a state of perpetual depression, farmers and migrant workers, union laborers, industrial workers, and everyone else who was scraping by at or below poverty level.

Reagan compounded the alienation of the nation's poor by granting a massive tax break to those individuals and corporations that were already prospering. Although these well-off folk's traditional indifference to the needs of the nation's poor had led to the need for legislation that protected and enhanced equal opportunity, Reagan claimed that they would share their tax-break enhanced wealth. However, newly created tax shelters successfully trapped the wealth that was supposed to "trickle down" to the poor in the form of jobs and opportunity.

Investment schemes were encouraged and developed, such as IRAs and Money Market accounts. Government bonds were offered at low rates with anticipated high returns. This effort by Reagan and his congressional cronies was presented as an effort to encourage savings, which would, in part, justify the huge tax cuts to the upper end of the income scale. Naturally, the ones who benefited the most were those who already had enough money or income to invest the amounts needed.

The median income at the time for Blacks barely rose above $18,000 annually. The majority of lower income Americans put their money into passbook savings, if they had any money to save at all. To invest the amount of money needed to facilitate and maintain high-yield investment accounts, an investor would have to earn more than $22,000 annually. This largely excluded most black wage earners from these investment opportunities. Whites with median incomes over $24,000, not surprisingly, outnumbered black and Hispanic investors by as much as 6 to 1. The gap widened when considering longer term, higher yielding investments that required more capital, such as CDs, interest checking, U.S. government securities, and municipal and corporate bonds. The lack of substantial monetary investment is one reflection of the growing disparity between upper and lower income Americans.

The Reagan administration attacked every federal program that helped those at poverty level gain a foothold in a fast rising economy. Many who were denied access to public assistance slipped further into depression, invisible because of distorted and misleading figures on poverty and unemployment provided by the Reagan Labor dept. The overall projections did not illustrate the proportional plights of individual minority groups.

Despite the fact that many former welfare recipients eventually returned to work, 31% of adult blacks remained at poverty level compared to only 11% of adult whites. In the aftermath of the Reagan administration, black children made up 43% of the nation's poor. Reagan's insensitivity to the nation's poor was pointed up by his refusal to meet and work with members and leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Instead of supporting badly needed legislation that would increase the minimum wage, he lobbied instead for a sub-minimum wage that he claimed would create new jobs for the nation's youth. Reagan ignored the fact that millions of Americans were working to support families with a wage that had become sub-minimum with no increase since '81.

Reagan sought to abolish the Small Business Administration which mostly assisted minority owned businesses, while at the same time, calling small business the "backbone of the American economy." Reagan appointed a pro-business Labor Relations Board to deflect the grievances of the nation's displaced workforce.

Reagan strongly supported legislation that would have outlawed federal-funding for abortions, a move that would mostly affect those who couldn't afford an abortion, leaving the affluent as the only group of females with the ultimate choice in their own pregnancy, and doom most low income women into poverty by forcing them to have a child they could not afford.

Reagan sought to limit the federal role in education by reducing the amount of money in the federal education budget. He appointed a controversial education secretary whose outspokenness on non-educational issues prevented a focus on school problems. Secretary Bennett then suggested, and it was subsequently disproved, that federal student aid was responsible for high tuition costs.

Reagan described congressional initiatives to lift the nation's poor out of poverty as misguided compassion. He admonished Americans to "Stand tall", but he repeatedly pulled the rug from under those who found themselves at the lower end of the economic spectrum. Many Americans never made their way across the abyss that Reagan created between the nation's rich and poor.


In many ways, Bush is the ultimate pretender. He is buoyed by a new class of neophytes who are encouraged by a revival of class warfare which, by no accident, hearkens back to the Reagan age of economic pyramids, money worship, and indifference to the poor except as footholds for a step up the ladder of affluence.

But we shouldn't forget that his father was replaced by perhaps one of the greatest presidents since Kennedy, Bill Clinton. For eight years we were blessed with all of the compassion of the Carter days, at home and abroad, with an economy that lifted all boats, rich and poor. Protecting the environment was back in the forefront and human rights around the world were influenced by a presidency that lead by the example of our military restraint and our emphasis on diplomacy.

I won't assert here that things won't get much worse while this band of corporatists reign. They almost assuredly will, possibly with much catastrophe. But there is a hope for a better tomorrow which will only come from our continued adherence to vigilance. We have to come to grips with our individual responsibility to that vigilance. We have to show up every day to make certain the government is representing all of the people; not just the corporate few who show up every day to collect our money. They will always fill the halls of Congress with their favors, bribes, and obstruction.

Through our virtue and our vigilance we must continue to advocate and petition our government to work for peace - here in the United States and around the world - with our voices, with our written appeals and protests, and with our actions.

Through our virtue and our vigilance we must keep ourselves informed about those issues and concerns which we entrust to the bidding of those in Congress; and we must thoroughly involve ourselves in the process of resolving those issues and concerns in tandem with our legislators by challenging ourselves to read, watch and listen; with a respect and a desire for understanding of differing views and opinions in our deliberation and debate.

Through our virtue and our vigilance we must, in our respect for democracy, value and protect the right to vote. With our full participation in the voting process we promote respect for our nation and each other, and help ensure an equal chance for representation for all of our citizens in the deliberations of our government. Our vote is the instrument of our collective conscience and our warrant to the realization of our freedom, our liberty, and our well-being.

Through our virtue and our vigilance we must challenge our government, ourselves, and one another, to act with more mercy and compassion as we marshal our resources to aid communities; to alleviate poverty, hunger, and want, here at home and around the world.

We must challenge ourselves to provide for the health needs of all of those who fall ill or injured in this country; to reach out to other countries to assist in the halting of the effects of deadly, infectious diseases and other illnesses; to provide full support and access for those with disabilities and handicaps.

We must challenge our government to make certain that there is adequate, safe, affordable housing for all; to provide emergency aid and assistance for our country; and when needed around the world, distributing these resources and this assistance in an equitable manner.

Through our virtue and our vigilance we must demand that our government promote and practice respect for the environment in our own lands and with respect for the sovereignty of those lands which don't belong to us. We must maintain these values as we protect the ground, water, and the air against pollution and abuse, by government, from industry, or from individuals.

We must challenge our government and ourselves to advocate and enforce these values; through the regulation of industry and of individuals; through enactment and enforcement of environmental laws; by our stewardship and expansion of those lands we recognize and designate as vital to the preservation of our ecosystem, to wildlife, and to the safety of the citizens of our communities.

We must foster in our government a respect for the preservation of the balance of all of nature and its right to coexist with humanity without risk of devastation, destruction, or disruption, or neglect.

Through our virtue and our vigilance we must foster and nurture our respect for each other; in the sharing of our burdens; in our willingness to make reasonable compromises; in our awareness and responsiveness to the needs and concerns of the least fortunate among us.

We must foster and nurture our respect for each other in the acceptance and appreciation of our differences- not merely to tolerate them- but to explore, celebrate and learn from our different backgrounds, our different abilities, our diverse heritages and nationalities, and our many different religions and beliefs.

Through our virtue and our vigilance we must challenge our government, and ourselves, to be humble; in our words and in our actions; in our acceptance of our mistakes; to admit when we act wrongfully as nations and individuals; to bend ourselves to judgment and lend our support to justice; We must accept our limitations and learn to accept help when offered.

Through our virtue and our vigilance we must instill in our lives and encourage in the acts of our government, a faithfulness to the values of honesty, integrity, and justice.

We must challenge and demand from our government, a respect for the privacy of individuals; the rights of individuals to due process of law; protection from unlawful or unreasonable surveillance and searches; protection from any actions by governments, groups, or individuals to suppress protest, dissent or disagreement.

We must challenge and demand from our government, protection from unlawful or unreasonable arrest, detention, separation or deportation; and the rights of individuals to be informed and to inform others of actions by the government or its agents to restrict, degrade, or eviscerate our life, liberty, safety, or freedom.

Through our virtue and our vigilance we expect and demand protection by our government from injury, abuse, exploitation, corruption, or enslavement.

We should demand protection of our natural resources from theft, abuse, or neglect, as well as, insurance against the unforeseen, sometimes destructive force of nature.

We should demand protection and defense against workplace abuse, accident, or neglect; defense against those who would do us harm, either as individuals or as a nation; and protection from the unreasonable and unlawful excesses and tyrannies of the majorities, in our government and wherever they threaten.

And hopefully, I believe, with faith and determination, we will put this terrible era of pain and neglect behind us. We did in the past. We can do it again.


While the people retain their virtue and vigilance, no administration, by any extreme of wickedness or folly, can very seriously injure the government in the short space of four years. ~Abraham Lincoln




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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:14 PM
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1. Bored, bored, bored
blah
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:20 PM
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2. it is the slow incidious creep of policies over the years that are mountin
up-many times--with Bush rule changes-without input from congress--that is the danger now.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:20 PM
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3. no, this was great
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 12:22 PM by Neecy
1980 was my first presidential vote as well, and like you, I was completely disgusted by the 'new reign of glamour' gushed over by the Washington press.

That was an excellent summation of the Reagan years. I would add that it was Reagan who opened the door of the Republican party to the religious extremists who now have a death-grip on it; and part of his horrible legacy is the explosion of the AIDS crisis on his watch while he did nothing. I know you mention this, but I think it's a touchstone of his entire administration.

I wish I could be as optimistic about the future as you are. Reagan, to some extent, played by the rules and these thugs most definitely do not. They'll stay in power long after Bush II by any means necessary, and unless we overcome the apathy of the American public we're headed straight for dictatorship.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:28 PM
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5. My optimism comes from parenting
You have to be an optimist when you've raised two kids like my two grown boys. :D
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:30 PM
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7. I was 21 when Saint ronnie finished up and those were some bad times
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:30 PM
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6. Exactly. Reagan screwed us.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:58 PM
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21. Along with BushI


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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:29 PM
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18. You need to open your eyes a little bit wider!
Reagan played by the rules?????
Iran Contra, drugs for guns, central american death squads supported by Reagan, the birth of the Christian Reicht.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:27 PM
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4. Or was Clinton the aberration? Fundies/righties say so.
That's why that hate him so much. Everything was on the right track, then Clinton.

That's why the entire thrust of the Bush adminstration is
NAIL THINGS DOWN BEFORE ANYBODY REALIZES WHAT'S GOING ON AND MAKE SURE THAT NO FUTURE VOTE CAN CHANGE A THING. They know that the people are going to be tempted in the future to vote for moderates, fairness and tolerance. So they make sure that nothing is going to change no matter how much we want them to.

Deficits, voting scandals, media reform, judicial appointments, bankrupting SS, moves into secrecy, etc etc etc---all things that make sure nothing will change even with 70-80-90% of the populace objecting. It will always be too late or in the control of some body, like a judge or Fox, protected from public opinoin.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:41 PM
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10. It's no accident that the bulk of the administration is made up of Reagan
era cronies who had nursed their broken ambitions in exile, and had instinctively constructed their sympathetic webs of wealth to obstruct the remedies of the reformers and hatch the next generation of world capitalists who would inherit the patronage of the next conservative presidency.

But they are still anachronisms in a society that doesn't actually support the bulk of their policies or ambitions. There was a familiar crisis of faith that flowed through the last election. Almost like folks were afraid to vote their hopes and were cowed into voting their fears. So, we are left with the worst of choices, bound to several more years of corporatist meddling, unless we manage to unseat these pretenders. But I don't believe most of these folks are at all happy with their Bush vote, just stuck with it. That's why we need to stay active and defiant to provide a choice, a viable opposition.

Keep faith. Keep active and fighting.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:35 PM
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8. Wow, that was a great read - thank you!
My husband says things will eventually come to a balance again, that the slide towards the abyss will stop. I am not as hopeful for a change that happens soon. Prominent civilizations have fallen. Is America too young to be wise? Those things go through my mind.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:53 PM
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12. It's perhaps that youth that is our bane,
but also a promise as disillusionment turns from apathy into action. We are a terribly young country. So much to learn, so much room to fail, so much room to grow. But I think we need to continue to challenge ourselves to be optimistic and resist the impulse to despair so much that we are frozen out of action. The slide should stop, but it won't happen in an atmosphere of inaction on the part of those of us who would herald that change.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:40 PM
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9. Your essay stirs up so many thoughts,...and emotions.
Hope, anger, inspiration, frustration, the courage to keep going,...the acceptance of a heavy burden associated with knowledge,...the belief that humanity will expand and grow in spite of the obstacles of power-mongers.

You must be a professional writer, huh.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:47 PM
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11. heh, I wish I was a professional writer
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 12:47 PM by bigtree
I'm just an idealistic working slob with axes to grind and an addiction to writing.

I think that every generation gets to the point where they look around in despair and see the end of times. Could happen, but I won't count on it, lest it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Got to keep on keepin on.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:53 PM
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13. Excellent recap of the Reagan "legacy"
Bigtree, you should submit this for the main page. :toast:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:59 PM
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14. Thanks
I'm just dribblin bored today. I actually needed to buck up my own optimism. These are recurring themes in my political writings. Got to keep them alive. History will be made up of the impressions that survive . . .
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:09 PM
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15. If there's one thing I disagree with this assessment, it's reasons to be
optimistic. I only get more pessimistic as time goes on, I'm sorry to say. I hope you're right. I suppose I should take some comfort from the fact that the Reagan era passed. On the other hand, Reagan II is back with a vengeance.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:18 PM
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16. Wow, thank you for that perspective
What a good read.

Sometimes it seems like this is the most intense time in the history of the universe. I know it isn't really, except in the self-centered sense that it is the time in which I am currently living (:P ).

Your post reminds me of 2 important things:

---Don't get overwhelmed - we can make a difference

and

---This, too, shall pass

Thanks!
:toast:


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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:21 PM
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17. Things will change, however, this time we have to make sure
the extreme right never gains power again. We need to do the legislative fixes that will keep us moving toward true democracy not away from it.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:45 PM
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19. I never liked politics but I cried the day Raygun was inaugurated...
Because he represented the rich and the elite and the contrast between Roslyn and Jimmie and Ronnie and his doe-eyed, astrology-driven wife was stark. I felt a great loss when Carter left office and the feeling was on the mark.

Unions were dismantled, gas prices ans inflation ran rampant. It was a very difficult time for America and all we saw were images of the first idiot in office prefacing every complaint with that hollow smile, empty stare and "Well..." And the press loved him. I could never figure out why.

Despite that, I never felt towards Raygun the way I do toward Bush. Bush eclipses him in terms of the harm he is doing on all fronts.

But, if history repeats itself, we will again have a Carter, or a Clinton who will put America at peace again. God I hope I'm right.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:00 PM
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20. the thing that impressed me about Carter
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 02:00 PM by blindpig
was his letting Somoza go down. I really thought we were eschewing imperialism, allowing self determination in our own backyard. I also thought that reefer would be legal shortly. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Biased Liberal Media Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:18 PM
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22. I was a small child during the Reagan Administration
and your assertation really brought some memories back for me. My folks were middle class and young but Ican't remember many struggles. I'd have to ask my mom, because she'd be more honest than my father.

I really hate people who use the poor as a pawn to make themselves rich.I've bumped into a few here and the last one I encountered was a jerkoff from a rental car company. He drove us home from the office and went on his rant how people at Walmart shouldn't be making $13/hr because people demand low prices. Then the asshole had the audacity to say that people who work at Walmart don't have a "career" and went to say only high schoolers and people who just want to get out of the house should work at Walmart and grocery stores. Can you believe that tripe?? I said nothing.I was too busy scraping my jaw off the ground.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:51 PM
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25. The worst is having to grit your teeth when these same idiots come around
after they've lost ground and start spouting our populism as if we hadn't been telling them all along that republicanism is bullshit. The wheel will turn.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:41 PM
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23. bip
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:44 PM
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24. We had a Dem Congress during Reagan
Right now we have NO checks and balances!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:56 PM
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26. Midterms coming up!
Midterms!Midterms!Midterms!Midterms!Midterms

:hi:
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:04 PM
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27. Beautiful personal history but did you mention the voting machines?
If the voting machines aren't fixed, I'm afraid the usual cyclical processes and patterns won't happen. The chances for a Dem winning the White House in the future are zero without serious reform so that there's not only a paper trail but also REQUIRED AUDITS FOR ALL ELECTIONS USING DREs.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:08 PM
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29. work work work
lots to fix, no doubt.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:05 PM
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28. We still had a representative democracy back then,
weren't as much of an international rogue, had checks and balances, and a real media.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:15 PM
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30. Don't forget the secret government with Ollie North and BushI
I think in many ways the media then was more limited then, fewer outlets.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:53 PM
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31. True
but Reagan didn't cater to the religious right nor have plans for a global war of conquest through an empire of bases for global hegemony.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:52 PM
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32. he wasn't without his religious blather either
"Prayer has sustained our people in crisis, strengthened us in times of challenge, and guided us through our daily lives since the first settlers came to this continent. Our forbearers came not for gold, but mainly in search of God and the freedom to worship in their own way. We've been a free people living under the law, with faith in our Maker and in our future. I've said before that the most sublime picture in American history is of George Washington on his knees in the snow at Valley Forge. That image personifies a people who know that it's not enough to depend on our own courage and goodness; we must also seek help from God, our Father and Preserver." —Ronald Reagan, at a White House Ceremony in Observance of National Day of Prayer, 6 May 1982
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:12 AM
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33. Kick for an excellent article.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 07:58 AM
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34. Home from work plink
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 10:19 AM
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35. THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS, BIGTREE!!!!!!!!!!!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:08 AM
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36. welcome
It's the latest in anti-shiavo fashion
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