The Schindlers filed for bankruptcy in 1989,

[Window]

Yes, it's all about the money. Check out the following article:

Husband, in-laws once were united in caring for Terri

For years, even after suspicion drove them apart and pitted them in a fierce legal fight, Michael Schiavo and his in-laws seemed to agree on one thing: that Terri, his wife and their daughter, was in a persistent vegetative state.
The full article will be available on the Web for a limited time:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11215317.htm

[AuntiBush]

1. And the parents want the money.

They want to take all rights from the legal party, the husband. This should never have gotten where it is.

And to think, a baby died a week ago in Texas, from the same feeding-tube dilemna all due to then Gov. G.W. Bushilvitz's law.

People sure do forget way too easily. 1 big ship of fools.

[blueroses]

2. Wow

I had no idea.

[Window]

15. That was exactly my reaction, "Wow."

I had no idea the money angle was that deep.

[jonolover]

3. Link requires registration.

n/t

[ET Awful]

5. Use bugmenot

www.bugmenot.com will give you a log in

[AlCzervik]

8. Thank you! Thats awesome.

[ET Awful]

17. If you use Firefox as your browser, bugmenot is available as a plug-in

You just go to the page you want to log into and right click on the login window, "bugmenot" will be a menu choice. Very cool stuff :)

[VOX]

14. Excellent! Thanks, ETA! n/t

[Window]

20. Ooops!

Sorry, didn't realize that. This is only my second attempt a posting a topic in four years...I should have probably added a few snippets.


edited for clarity

[Wickerman]

4. arrrgh

its registration, free, yes, but what a pain.

[ET Awful]

6. It's about time some of this was made public

Much of this is known by those who have read enough about the case while bypassing the mainsteam media filter.

Now, finally, it's being published in somewhat mainstream source. Let's hope others pick it up and show the true story instead of the nonsense.

[katsy]

7. You think they sold their

daughter's body to the lunatics?

:mad:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

12. That's exactly what they've done

Ever since Schindler lost his $$$, and didn't get any $$$ from the malpractice lawsuit - they weren't party to that case, they've been supported by the rightwingnut assholes who keep writing checks to them.

Do you know how much $$$ it takes just to appeal a Federal case to the Circuit Court?

Plenty. I mean, six figures, and that's conservative.

[katsy]

18. hmm

Sounds like the perfect story to spoon feed to the MSM.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

25. As opposed to the crap the Schindlers are spewing,

like, "Terri said 'I want to live' when she heard that the tube was going to be removed"?

Yeah, righ

[ohio_liberal]

28. Would the Schindlers

have had some legal right to file (and win) a malpractice lawsuit on their own? Just curious.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

29. Not without a showing

that their daughter's well-being was central to their daily live - i.e., if she were their sole caretaker (assuming they were disabled). But, lacking that showing, they'd have no standing to sue.

Just as they have no standing to prevent her husband from acting in accordance with her wishes to have that tube removed.

[ohio_liberal]

30. OK, that explains a lot, thank you

I kept wondering why they wanted M Schiavo's share of the money if they could've gotten some on their own.

[Window]

24. Yep!

Unbeliveable! This is so very upsetting to me.

[Tansy_Gold]

9. As legal guardians, they would have control of her estate,

wouldn't they? And the rights to any tv movie stories, books, etc., etc., etc., wouldn't they?

They've admitted that they teased her about being overweight, which may have contributed to her eating disorder, and they've admitted they would not abide by her wishes even if she had a written, witnessed living will.

They are not fit to be her guardians. They have a massive conflict of interest.

[AlCzervik]

10. snip

''We do not doubt that she's in a persistent vegetative state,'' Pam Campbell, then the Schindlers' lawyer, told the court. Later, Michael Schiavo's lawyer, George Felos, asked Mary Schindler, ''Is Terri in a vegetative condition now?'' to which she replied, ``Yes. That is what they call it.''


Oh, oh....whats this now?

They moved in together after Terri's collapse in February 1990, and Michael called the Schindlers ''Mom and Dad.'' A year later, the Schindlers encouraged their son-in-law to get on with his life and date. They even met some of the women he saw.

''I looked at that as maybe he was starting to take a step in the right direction and get his life back together,'' Bob Schindler said in a 1993 deposition. ``He's still a young man. He still has a life ahead of him.''

[Just Me]

11. What's truly FUCKED UP are the politicians and religious radicals,...

,...taking advantage of the circumstances.

Why distract from the ROOT of this situation? :shrug:

To do so seems so consistent with RW tactics and seriously pisses me off!!!

THE ROOT EVIL OF THIS SITUATION ARE THOSE WHO ARE ADVANTAGING THEMSELVES OF OTHERS' SUFFERING!!!

[OldLeftieLawyer]

13. Yeah, they suck, but,

it's the Schindler family who instigated all this, and who could have stopped it a long time ago, but then, where would they get their money?

They've pimped their daughter to the far rightwingnut religious and immoral whackjobs.

[ohio_liberal]

31. Do you think

they're getting money besides the legal fees? "Expenses" and such, I mean.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

34. It's a good guess, given that they're retired,

with no visible means of support.

I don't know, though.

[DemBones DemBones]

16. Huge medical bills force many families into bankruptcy.

This case is not about the character of the Schindlers or the character of Michael Schiavo but about the life of the profoundly disabled woman who is being starved to death in Florida. If she were able to tell us what she wants, would she want to be starved to death or be allowed to live? None of us really know the answer to that question but we know that our justice system won't protect any of us from a similar fate. Put your wishes in writing, with a couple of witnesses and a notary attesting to your signature, appoint someone you hope will carry out your wishes, and then pray that you never become unable to speak for yourself.

And, yes, money is pretty much behind everything. It's a fucked-up world and getting more so all the time.

[Bunny]

19. They declared bankruptcy in 1989, one year before Terri was

stricken.

[Malva Zebrina]

23. this case is not about a "disabled" woman

this case is about a woman whose diagnosis is "permanent vegetative state" and who is effectively, by all accounts over the years, brain dead.

Is she disabled, yes. Is she incapacitated, yes.

But that is not the descriptions to be used when those who are commonly known as disabled are those in a distinctly different catagory, such as paraplegics, or the blind or those who do indeed have their brains intact, even though their body may be indeed disabled.

Stop it already with this "disabled" spin of the language.

The women is in a permanent vegetative state and that is the final diagnosis from more than one doctor.

There is NO OTHER description than that to describe her condition.

Here is the explanation as posted by Heddi in another DU thread

read it. The woman is in a permanent vegetative state and although disabled, that is intellectually dishonest to keep trying to descrive her condition as akin to a paraplegic or others whose brains are sill acutely intact

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3344232&mesg_id=3344232

[OldLeftieLawyer]

26. She's not being "starved"

If she could eat, and food were withheld, yes, that's starving.

But, she can't even swallow, and she's been on a feeding tube, which is a form of life support. Even the US Supreme Court has defined a feeding tube as life support.

She's being tubed with a mixture of chemical nutrients that you would not want to sit down and eat out of a bowl.

That's not "starving" her. That's removing her, mercifully, from life support when there is no hope of her ever recovering and she is only deteriorating.

The legal system has worked beautifully here, since we are a nation of laws, not a nation to be held hostage by a handful of religious whackjobs. \

By the way, there's no money involved here, except the huge amounts that the Schindlers have received while being funded by all those rightwingnuts.

[mondo joe]

32. She already said what she wanted, and Michael Schiavo is carrying that out

Don't assume to know what other people want just because it's YOUR choice.

[CornField]

21. This particular paragraph left me speechless

Court guardians concluded that Terri was cared for extremely well, but her condition still led to numerous complications and hospitalizations. She suffered from bile stones and kidney stones, according to court papers, and had to have her gallbladder removed. She has ''drop foot,'' where her foot twists downward, and the ensuing pressure resulted in the amputation of her left little toe. She frequently developed urinary tract infections, diarrhea and vaginitis. Several cysts were removed from her neck. Several times, her feeding tube got infected.

The one time I decided I should actually pursue a career with my degree, I worked with Alzheimer's patients. I was prepared for many things, but not the sores of the bedridden. Everytime I've seen a photograph of Terri, I've wondered how many bed sores she has developed over 15 years. How many of them became infected?

I didn't fully consider the consequences of being ridgid and in bed for 15 years -- the kidney stones, the gall bladder, the cysts, the infections.

I'm thankful so much of her ability to know her surroundings is gone -- the pain associated with someone moving her at this stage would be unbearable.

[Bunny]

22. She has never had a bedsore.

Per the Guardian ad litem's report. That is truly amazing.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

27. He almost got in big trouble

When she was in one clinic in California, where they tried all sorts of rehabs with her, Michael Schiavo was uniformly despised by the staff because he was so vociferous and demanding about getting her the best of care.

He's a hero.

[DearAbby]

42. From one that has worked with the elderly, that is amazing!

It is no small feat, never having a bed sore. I was amazed to hear this, and knew just by that fact alone that attentive care was given to this woman.

[Kelvin Mace]

36. Actually

I've wondered how many bed sores she has developed over 15 years. How many of them became infected?

According to the GAL's report, she never had a bed sore. He noted this as an example of the excellent care afforded her by her husband

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Window]

46. The entire article left me speechless.

.

[DemocracyInaction]

33. Mike Shiavo's Brother was on CNN today and talked about

how Bob Schindler was the great backer of Mike until after the money was awarded in the malpractice suit and he found he wasn't getting any. He told Mike he would make his life hell. Brother said that from the beginning this was all about Bob.

[Window]

35. "He told Mike he would make his life hell."

Yeah. He wasn't kidding. Hell for Mike and the rest of the world.

[earth mom]

37. Thanks for posting this...one of the few honest takes

on what this media circus is REALLY all about. Though will this truth get out to the rightwingnuts? And if so would they believe it? Probably not, since they've been brainwashed so thoroughly and wouldn't admit to the truth even if they saw stacks of money being placed in the Shindlers hands. :eyes:

[Window]

45. Y/W. You may not believe this,

but I found this article on FreeRepublic. LOL! There were a few responses such as, "Hmmmmm," but most continued to vilify Michael, DU, the judges, Jeb & * and everyone else in the world except the Schindlers.

[moobu2]

38. THE TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO FOUNDATION'S FAILURE TO REGISTER

This is link to a charity blog, I guess they're experts on charitable affairs and write about it, anyway, The Schindler foundation got into trouble recently for not registering with the state of Florida and disclosing all the contributions etc...it was briefly in the news about a month ago, and they were fined $1,000 and agreed to register and comply with the State, although I haven't read that they have yet.

I know the foundation has taken in an ungodly amount of money from anti-abortionists and rightwing organizations not to mention the donations requests on the site.

This blog entry isn't that long so if you're interested in juicy details, check it out.
charitygovernance.blogs.com/

They should comply like everyone else so an accounting of the donations can be done.

[elehhhhna]

40. They're gong to make a movie about Mr Sciavo called

"Schindlers' Shit List"

[Window]

47. Very interesting site.

LOL! Imus has been rasing hell the better part of this week about the rance.

[ohio_liberal]

39. USA Today's got the money angle

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-03-24-schiavo-money-cover_x.htm

[moobu2]

41. In the article from the original court ruling

"On Feb. 14, 1993, this amicable relationship between the parties was severed," Greer wrote. "While the testimony differs on what may or may not have been promised to whom and by whom, it is clear to this court that such severance was predicated upon money and the fact that Mr. Schiavo was unwilling to equally divide his loss of consortium award with Mr. and Mrs. Schindler."

[ohio_liberal]

43. Good find

That just about covers it.

[Cocoa]

44. bankruptcy, Medicaid, malpractice lawsuits, Florida, abortion

this story has it all.