((BREAKING)) SUPREME COURT DENIES STAY.

[drdon326]

NO LINK YET

[Norquist Nemesis]

1. Yep. Just heard on CNN.

They're staying out of it. The next thing (I think) is Greer's ruling due to come by noon.

[drdon326]

3. Well, start the funeral preparations.....sadly

[Norquist Nemesis]

17. I'm thinking deploy the Guard.

It's going to get really ugly. :scared:

[Lindacooks]

96. Yes - how are they going to handle that?

Could her family and her husband even be at the funeral together?

[paineinthearse]

2. HA!

What will poor * to do? Draft the doctors?

What will poor jeb to do? Send in the national guard?

[AllegroRondo]

5. Jeb may still try to have the state take custody

based on 'possible neglect'

[drdon326]

13. Hes in a no win situation......

if he doesnt take custody the fundies will fry him....

if he does he will end up in jail.

[NewJeffCT]

47. Nope, it's a big win for Jeb

Jeb enables Schiavo to become a martyr for the RW cause...

[Just Me]

51. I disagree. Jeb will now be seen as being too extrememe,...

,...too willing to interfere in private matters and too quick to defy the judicial system. He is appeasing radicals. The vast majority of Americans do not want the imposition of radical views, nor do we want the kind of government intrusion demonstrated in this situation.

The BFEE, religious radicals, neocons and Republican party are suffering blowback for their power-mongering.

[NewJeffCT]

70. It doesn't matter

It fires up the evangelical base and it's too far off from the 2006 and 2008 elections to make much difference. The non-evangelicals will forget, but the fundies will not and will turn out in even greater numbers.

[sendero]

72. I doubt that...

... I think they pretty much have 100% participation already, its the sane people who don't.

[FreedomAngel82]

87. Oh goodie

A witch hunt show. This should get interesting. I can't wait for their next move! Funny how big brother is taking care of little brother's little mess his little people made.

[Kansas Wyatt]

41. Bush will order a military strike....

Maybe load up some Stealth Bombers with bottled water and MREs to drop on the compound where Terri is being held prisoner. Jeb will be ordering the National Guard to secure the compound and fire on anyone trying to stop Terri from eating and drinking. We will all witness this on the MSM and religious commentators will be giving us play by play details of this miraculous gift of life for this woman by the Christian Warriors. Bush will then remove all Judges in the nation who do not sign loyalty cards, and appoint their replacements to rule in favor of Evangelical causes. Propaganda Minister Rove releases a packaged news segment to be aired uncut over the MSM detailing how 80% percent of the population approved of the Bush brothers actions.

Then again, since Bush and the Republicans lost, you may never hear of it again on the MSM, until Democrats and Judges are attacked for allegedly murdering Terri.

[Mr_Spock]

59. LOL - PUMMEL THOSE HEATHENS!!!!!!!!!

Funny :D

[Mr.Green93]

4. In your face fundies

and during their 'holy week' also.

[mopaul]

10. soon god will bring a retribution on our wicked nation

i hope

[underpants]

6. BOTTOM LINE-The Republicans dropped the ball

this ~"what they meant by that law" crap might not fly with the fundies. They wanted payback and they wanted it NOW!

[Hamlette]

14. when they say: "what we wanted by the law" they are LYING

they had a debate on the floor of the Senate about whether the law would require the federal courts to reinsert the tube while it heard the case and they specifically LEFT IT OUT of the law.

Read the 11th Circuit Court decision which included a portion of the transcript of the exchange in the Senate between Sens Levin and Frist. Levin asked if the law would require the court to order the tube be reinserted immediately and Frist said no.

(Bless the 11th Circuit Court for finding that gem in the record.)

[underpants]

24. I know but they have to spin this for their base

the fundies.

As I posted last Friday TWO callers (one was scumbag Randall Terry-now a family spokesman) said ~"We worked hard in the 80's for Reagan, we worked to get him a conservative legislature, we worked hard to get a conservative legislature in Florida, and we DELIVERED this election for President Bush...we want payback NOW. No excuses no rhetoric no "we tried"s....."

The second caller said the same thing.

[sendero]

74. Or else?

Or else what? They're going to vote Dem?

These people are stupid.

[FreedomAngel82]

89. I doubt they'd vote dem

They'd likely go after them probably but I could never see them voting democratic. They think we are the "immoral savages" of the country. :eyes:

[underpants]

102. They take their money and go elsewhere?

Third Party?

Pipe dream I know but for the rank and file maybe. The big money boys will stay in the Republican party.

[mopaul]

7. 5th time they've turned it down

[paineinthearse]

8. FAUX coverage

Boyden Gray, White House council

[paineinthearse]

16. Now showing the supporters in Pinneles Park

"showing resignation" "told to pray" "jeb bush will intervene via executive order" "judge greer will decide to hear if florida can intervene/gain custody on grounds michael sheivo has not been acting properly in his role as legal guardian".

[paineinthearse]

30. Robert Bork interview

FAUX is really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

Bork was something like 2nd assistant US Solicitor when Richardson was fired by Nixon for not firing Archibald Cox (title is probably wrong, but you get my point). Nixon had Bork fire Cox.

[bobbieinok]

68. Bork is RW hero; he was 1st rep Supreme Court nominee whom the left

went all out against......days of testimony against his nomination.....really shocked the right

what really cost him votes was his proud, straightforward claim that American citizens are not guaranteed a right of privacy in the constitution

reps vowed they'd never be 'borked' again

[FreedomAngel82]

90. Funny how

they are being "borked" now and don't even realize it. Oy.

[paineinthearse]

37. Brandy Swindell, fundy hunger striker

Wonder whose payroll she is on?

Describes crowd's mood "one woman began weeping" "it was very disappointing, we are hopeful, not giving up, with the family" lambasting evil Michael for not letting family to visit for 5 hours yesterday".

Intends to continue vigil, pray, hunger strike, will try to get nutrients in to Terri.

"Michael and courts have sentenced Terri a horiffic death."

[paineinthearse]

80. Swindell tried and got arrested - FAUX to have video after commerial break

It appears she brought 2 kids aged 10-12 and they got busted, too.

See break-out thread -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=edit&forum=104&topic_id=3341127&mesg_id=3341127

[paineinthearse]

67. Michael Schiavo's attorney

Just as he said "the only way they can get Terri Schiavo out of the hospice is for them to kidnap her...illegally use DFS (dept family services?)...."

THEY CUT AWAY!!!!!

[spanone]

9. The ending to all this is made all the more sad by Bushco.

Now that DeLay has called the opposition 'murderers', I guess the indictments will start flowing.

[sabra]

11. MSNBC Link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7283607/

[drdon326]

15. Thank you.

.

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. Thank you MSNBC!! I've been wondering where Terri's supporters

are. Seriously! That's the first I've seen of people supporting what the courts have found to be Terri Schiavo's wishes.

[sniffa]

12. i want pix of the protesters

i wanna see them coLLapsing and waiLing and such.

[paineinthearse]

18. tune in faux now nt

[Tinoire]

29. In my heart I weep for America. Disability Issues & Activism Forum

From the Disability Issues & Activism Forum


Thank you Undergroundpanther for so eloquently stating what my heart has been feeling lately. This is a calculated move with the hard right saying "blue" full well-knowing that the left will knee-jerk and say "red" as they implement yet another phase of their diabolical plan.


And some would say Bush is not Hitler. Examine the parallels and shiver. Wars, sub-human sand niggers, euthanasia of the intellectually, physically and emotionally different, nationalism, propped up by conservatives who are turning away in disgust so they now play to the Left using "sound science" as a cloak, justification for concentration camps by no less than the head of the "US Institute of Peace".

Totally heart-broken. I tremble for us.

Here's Undergroundpanther's post. I hope it helps people ask certain questions because the Germans were no more stupid or evil than we are. They were manipulated through emotion and with "sound science". Is the same happening to us?


====================================================

Our culture hates a loser,it hates weak,sick,"defective" people.
It hates victims,it shoots messengers if the message is about an abuser. This sick abuse dynamic plays out over and over in private homes, schools,institutions and governments.


Eugenics is an American invention too.Hitler made Eugenics national policy.Good Germans rationalized it.
There is a socio psychological war on the weak,on anyone who isn't"normal" on the handicapped,the mentally ill,the poor.
It has been going on for millennia.
The Nazis killed off the disabled,the retarded and mentally ill first.People like Terry Shiavo were the first to die.Nobody noticed because they could not cry out,they were helpless and produced nothing of value.They were useless eaters.A burden on the utilitarian utopia of Hitlers Aryan nation.
To many top down competitive cultures with an internalized elitism expressed by this sociopath pull yourself by your own bootstraps "ethic"and contrasted with success stories/Horatio Alger type myths like ours, the disabled and those who do not produce enough are throwaway people,resented for being weak by the strong..Just nobody says it out loud..

People say,
Terry is a vegetable, she can't feel pain, starve her to death.
Be rid of her because she will never have a quality life.( it's quality always as defined by normals ) They are concerned about her Quality of life for themselves.
So many people are so concerned about her quality of life they'll gladly starve her to death unsure of whether she will feel pain or not and calll it "mercy".

But the unspoken side is also Terry takes up a room,she drains bank accounts,she taxes her families emotions,Other people have to maintain her life for her.She takes up the time,employees,space,and liquid feed and all that a more able brained person could use.How much is terry worth? Terry in effect if she is starved has the status of a throwaway person.She is helpless to say no,don't kill me. The able bodied cry she'd be dead if "the miracle of medicine" wasn't keeping her here..

Remember Ronald Reagan would have died much sooner if we let nature take it's course with him. We don't know what kind of vegetative states Reagan was in ,they kept him out of the public eye.We never debated removing his feeding tube.
Why?


Science tries to tell us who can and cannot feel pain.
Sometimes scientists are like a bully who's caught as he tries to convince the authority figures who could punish or restrain him..that his victim must be blowing the abuse and pain all out of proportion to reality.The bully has an INTEREST in mnimizing his victims voice of suffering.Utilitarian beliefs are the salve to numb empathy..Whos voice is missing in the Terry Shiavo case? The victims voice,Terry.So her family fights for her because they love her.They are by proxy the person who FEELS the pain. And The able bodied don't want to bother with Terry.
Scientists and Bullies both have made mistakes on the pain issue before.Politicians and the public together created Holocaust and Genocide on all kinds of people declared inferior.before..

It was once thought fish could not feel pain..turns out they do. It was thought that babies could not feel pain either,operations were done on infants without anesthesia because it was widely believed babies lacked the ability to feel pain like we do..turns out science was wrong again..


Terry will not feel being slowly starved.. She may or may not feel it.And It's ok to starve terry even though her family loves her, and she is a human being,and we shudder if we had to live like her,because of why?
Terry is not your daughter.You are not Terry.
And yet people who do not know her can in effect hold her life in thier hands.

Starvation as"mercy".

We give criminals sentenced to death lethal injections we are all so concerned we are not cruel to them. We give sick dying dogs lethal injections so they will not FEEL their bodies in the worst states of sickness. We abort fetuses ASAP so they will not grow brains to feel the abortion procedure and just to be sure both mother and fetus are numb through it all.
Why do we do this? Could it be EMPATHY? and utilitarianism both working on a complicated personally agonizing case by case situation?
A decision that cannot be accomplished in a sound byte.


Why do we not give this kind of quick numb death to Terry that we grace Convicted Death row Child Killers and rapists with?

Is ti because to deliberately inject an innocent grown woman with drugs that would kill her fast looks and feels like murder?

Maybe it's because that's what it IS.

Yanking out Terry's feeding tube and letting her starve that too is murder,and it may be torture too.How is torture and muder mercy? When lethanl injection is quick and painless? No matter what we believe about her capacity for feeling pain,our beliefs don't make it so..We believed fish could not feel pain once,we believed babies could endure surgery without anesthesia too. But it turns out science was wrong.
And we are going to risk torture to get Terry out of our sight?

Why all the rush to be rid of Terry? Is it because she takes up space,drains bank accounts,uses up employee time,why what is so evil about her existence that it MUST end right NOW? Kill the helpless they are a drain on the economy!! The Brain dead must go they aren't Productive enough to live???!!Productive for Whom?
Her family loves her,enough to fight for her empty life.

So who are we to yank her feed tube and torture her because our scientists who also cut the vocal chords of animals they vivisect to remove their own capacity to feel compassion for tortured animals,to do"science" believes consensus of experts" she can't feel pain.

Are they Terry? No so how can they say.

And why not give her a lethal injection instead of risking torture on top of death?

Why are people not discussing this option?

Too Hitleresque? Too close to the truth?



Are you willing to let a nation of hypocrite,able bodied people possibly torture a helpless woman,who cannot cry out,by telling yourself she can't feel,because she's brain dead..Science is not all that good at empathy..And neither is our culture..It's kinda sick the idea of lethal injection is not discussed here because it looks like what it is, murder or "ghoulish". But the silent torture of slow starvation is OK as long as the victim does not cry out or complain. She is sorta like people in the 3rd world we starve so CEOs can make profits and we get"jobs" The victims of"economic development"that we never hear about it's almost like they don't feel it. Once in awhile there is a Live aid show,or some protests.. Funny how this silent starving,silent torture issue in the 3rd world in some ways is so similar to terry's plight.
Victims of abuse by the strong unable to be heard because maintaining the comforting beliefs about other people is more important to us than feeling real empathy FOR them where they are at..

It looks like in able bodied America the value is no suffering is as important as your own..is what matters most.
And who is suffering here in Terry's case really?
The hospital tired of tending her? A bank account? A corporation? A husband? Who?

Reagan had a slow death ands no one DARED debate yanking his feeding tube out and starving him to death..Why not? He lived as a vegetable ,he was kept out of the public eye.Regan was"permitted" his time of brain dead weakness,because he was of a certain rich and famous class that is not to be thrown away..

Terry is not an idol to the rich like Reagan was..she is another person like me or you who is weak,a citizen turned throwaway,She will be starving to death because we able bodied don't want her here taking up OUR time,our space, we are so merciful yo her,and because the experts tell us, we believe she can feel no pain,the experts with stunted empathy trying to tell us it's OK to starve the weak who cannot scream to death.. It smacks of Eugenics..
We are so ever alert to see if a fetus is aborted a fetus that could grow up to be cannot fodder or line a rich man's pocket..Terry just has no potential to be used or give anyone pleasure by existing now.Her time is up.

America is full of hypocrites, cowards, bullies and posers when it comes to actually facing the ugliness of our human condition and the frailty of a quality life and bodily weakness and the need sickness imposes upon us that happens in life or the disabilities that can happen to all of us.

Here is another side of the Terry Shiavo case nobody talks about:

Many soldiers coming back from Iraq now are brain damaged. Some become like Terry,due to "better armor"And we Don't see these soldiers,they are overflowing army hospitals and hospices...And Bush cuts veterans benefits and veteran health care to buy more hi tech weapons because he wants to take over the world..He is killing our economy to dominate and plunder the world.And if we attack the helpless,the poor,the different among us we will be misplacing our anger and not get around to seeing who is the real danger.. Terry Shiavo's case is another'ethics' test run ,a public spectacle illustration to gauge how much of our American empathy for the weak among us is dead or dying....Remember MSNBC last summer was asking the public in a poll if torture was something wrong to do to enemies or not.Around that time MSNBC for a couple of days showed Al Queda gassing puppies?.I wrote about this..I see a pattern here.

http://upits.pitas.com/082302.html

.The Bush admin is using the media as a psychological assessment tool gauging the publics' psychological willingness to accept torture as national policy....than Abu Gharib happened later.. but there were no riots,nobody storming the Whitehouse to keep the government from breaking Geneva,this inaction on our part was seen by them as PERMISSION.......Can't you see the really disgusting fascist Underpinnings of the Agenda to destroy American Empathy motivating this case to be in the spotlight? ..It's Eugenics...The war on the Weak the disabled..Is it OK or not to kill off useless eaters?

Is it OK to get rid of useless eaters..or not??
Come on people, throw away your sentiments..Survival of the fittest nature would have her dead...and nature is no moral..Riiight..

I think to myself what monsters Americans are becoming in the name of efficiency and I shudder.

[crispini]

56. I've heard this argument before, that

Ms. Shiavo is "disabled," and I still am not convinced. There is a line, IMO, between being "weak, sick, and defective," and having no life at all.

This case should not be about the fundies, or about disablity rights, or about anything political. This case should be about what Ms. Shiavo wanted to happen to her in this situation. There is (obviously) a disagreement about that, but the courts, aided by the testimony of her Guardian at Law, an impartial person appointed by the court, have ruled that she would have wanted to been disconnected from the tube.

[Tinoire]

71. I disagree on one point - this is about disability rights

The Village Voice has an article out today, yesterday?, about spousal abuse at the hands of Michael Schiavo. There are so many disquieting facts in this case that I really don't understand the rush to pull the plug.

If she doesn't feel anything, if she is so "dead" that she can't feel pain as we "compassionately" withhold water, food, even ice-cubes from her, why are so many people upset about her parents' being given a chance to get her into proper rehabilitative treatment? If she is so alive that we need to put her "out of her misery", then how barbaric to starve her. We can't have it both ways. Giving her parents a chance certainly won't make her situation worse.

For me this is a big-time disability issue. This is allowing the perfecty formed to decide who gets to live or not, who gets medical treatement and who doesn't. It's also, to me, an issue about women being chattel and when no longer useful, having the plug pulled so a man can move on. The man already moved on- he moved on 12 years ago. Let's give her family a chance to get her care. Where's our compassion?

[Dookus]

73. Because

every court has ruled that that was Terri's wish.

The right to self-determination is one we should ALL support, disabled or not.

[drdon326]

75. Tinoire....I cant believe this...I AGREE WITH YOU !!

WOW

[drdon326]

76. I LOVE THIS PART....

If she doesn't feel anything, if she is so "dead" that she can't feel pain as we "compassionately" withhold water, food, even ice-cubes from her, why are so many people upset about her parents' being given a chance to get her into proper rehabilitative treatment? If she is so alive that we need to put her "out of her misery", then how barbaric to starve her. We can't have it both ways. Giving her parents a chance certainly won't make her situation worse.

For me this is a big-time disability issue. This is allowing the perfecty formed to decide who gets to live or not, who gets medical treatement and who doesn't. It's also, to me, an issue about women being chattel and when no longer useful, having the plug pulled so a man can move on. The man already moved on- he moved on 12 years ago. Let's give her family a chance to get her care. Where's our compassion?

[hippiegranny]

81.

to get her into proper rehabilitative treatment>

Wait a minute - she has been like this for 15 years and has been considered fine where she was. Why NOW? They tried to care for her at home, sent her back to the facility after 3 weeks - too hard.

As a mother I understand not being able to let go, but these parents seem to be in SERIOUS denial. This condition didn't just happen to Teri a month ago - they have had ample time to find a "cure." I think the people making an issue about keeping her alive are being terribly disingenuous.

[drdon326]

85. I truely hope....

youre never in her parents shoes and no one says that "youre in serious denial" while your heart is breaking.

[sonicx]

99. "proper rehabilitative treatment?"

already happened, didn't work. She has no cerebrel cortex.

[Tinoire]

91. Yes Drdon - it is the end of the world

;)

I thought the same thing too.

Make it even more interesting - IG too.

Even though have a few differences in I/P because we choose to take sides on who would get the lion's share of our sympathy, I don't believe our moral values or our capacity for compassion and examination are any different.

I wish I had more time to write but I am SOOOOOO late for work that I don't know what I'm going to tell them. See you later.

[drdon326]

92. The sad thing is.....

to some you ,me, and IG are considered freepers to some.

[Tinoire]

103. Sticks and stones you know...

Consider the sources. Most of the posters here are still respectful of differing opinions.

Can I ask you what is bothering you the most about this case? I'm about to drive home now but just wanted to say that before I left.

I'm glad we're standing on common ground.

I figure that as long as most of us stand on common ground for most issues, we'll be ok in the end. We have to.

All I could think about today was that poor girl. I really hope that she wasn't abused. Peace

[crispini]

83. You have still failed to prove to me that this is about disability rights.

And you haven't proven to me that "disabled" and "persistent vegetative state" are the same thing.

You seem to be conflating your issues with Michael Schiavo into your case re: disability rights, and it's making both of your arguments confused.

Let's try a hypothetical. Let's say "Mary" had previously expressed her desire orally not to be kept in a PVS, and found herself in this condition, however, both her parents AND husband agreed that that it is her wish to die. Does this then become "the perfectly formed deciding who gets to live or not, who gets medical treatment and who doesn't?" They're doing it -- the difference is, they're both agreeing. Should she be kept alive out of some respect for her rights as a "disabled person" despite the fact that she previously expressed her desire NOT to be kept alive in such a state?

Just leave aside Michael Shiavo for a minute and talk to me about this. It seems to me that there is a world of difference between being disabled, even being profoundly disabled, and between being in a PVS.

There is another state called being "locked-in" in which the person can communicate via eyeblinks, etc. but cannot move. I would call this person disabled because their consiousness and their personhood is still there. But everything I have read about PVS indicates to me that in this state, the "person" is gone.

[Tinoire]

86. Have to go to work. Will answer you tonight. n/t

[crispini]

88. K, see ya tonight!

:hi:

[ultraist]

42. They are praying

And comparing her to Jesus who was also "ordered to death."

They also compared her to an African American being denied to have lunch at a lunch counter.

Those people are insane.

[NYC Liberal]

19. Well this thing is FINALLY over. Terri will finally have peace. n/t

[Walt Starr]

22. IT won't be over until she passes

I expect the Radical Clerics to send in the goons squads now.

[Bouncy Ball]

25. You know what I'm afraid of Walt?

I'm afraid it won't even be over THEN!!!! Seriously, think of all the legal action the Schindlers and Randall Terry's group could attempt to put out AFTER Terri passes.

The whole thing makes me want to vomit repeatedly. This is only #2 to the swift boat smear in terms of how much it sickens me.

[ultraist]

43. Do you think they will storm the Hospice?

I wont be surprised if they resort to violence. Those people are fucking insane.

[Walt Starr]

61. I suspect a group of them are planning just that

If Greer comes down against the DCF filing, I expect them to storm the hospice within six hours of the ruling, most likely at night.

[ultraist]

77. I think you're right. They are terrorists.

The adverse effects this may have on Hospice also really concerns me. Hospice is a wonderful organization and now that the prolifers have made these false accusations of over use of morphine (via the DFC abuse allegations), they may be put under a microscope.

But, this whole attack on end of life decisions and rights over our bodies in general seems to be backfiring on them.

[FreedomAngel82]

93. That's what I worry about

This is so freakin insane. I was reading this woman was going to the hospice all the protestor's were at and she was trying to see someone (I think her husband?) who was dying and she wanted to say goodbye. Because of the protestors in the way she didn't even get to say goodbye to her husband. :grr: These people only care about themselves!!

[Bouncy Ball]

20. I guess she couldn't just have a nice, dignified ending to her life.

Noooooo, there has to be a total media and political CIRCUS for the ending of this woman's life.

Sickening. Everyone should just go home and pray if they feel so moved (Jesus warned about praying where everyone can see you, fundies, but I guess you aren't real into the JC's teachings, are you?) and leave this woman ALONE, for crying out loud!!!!

[ultraist]

48. Those with disabilities should have the right to have their wishes honored

After 15 years & no improvements, I'd say the time to honor Terri's wishes are long overdue.

70% of the disabilities community is PRO assisted suicide. Major activists and orgs have filed amicus briefs in different cases and made public statements that point out that those with profound disablities should NOT have their rights denied.

Abusing this woman, by forcing medical treatment on her & denying her rights, is shameful. If a eugenics comparison could be made, that would be it: The State being allowed to FORCE medical treatment on a citizen.

[cidliz2004]

23. YEAH!!!!!!

Now maybe she can die in peace and we can find out what Bush has slithered past us.

[NYC Liberal]

26. FREEPTARDS' Response:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1369665/posts

"Regardless of what happens in this case......
It has highlighted judicial tyranny in the good ole USA and shown that all our politicians are afraid of the judges.
pathetic"

--------------------------

"If Michael Schiavo is so damned hell-bent on killing Terri, why not give him a gun and force him to do it himself?

Effing heartless bastard."

--------------------------

"Freaking Terrorists treat their victims better before they kill them. At least they give them food and water! THIS IS HORRIBLE!"

--------------------------

"Here's a prediction - if MS succeeds in killing Terri this time, he won't live more than a month. Someone will do to him (probably with a bullet) what he took 15 years to do to Terri.

Greer and Felos will, eventually, be held accountable for their actions in this case and end up disbarred and in jail.

The issue of judicial tyranny will reverberate for the next several election cycles and will, probably, lead to a standoff between the legislative and executive branches and the judicial branch of government.

The Constitutional crisis we are in will be exacerbated in the '08 election."

--------------------------

"Please, dear Lord, give Jeb Bush the wisdom and strength to do what is RIGHT today!
Have mercy on our nation, O GOD!"


:puke:

[Walt Starr]

28. I've been watching, they're locking new threads about the ruling

Methinks they fear calls for violence.

[CornField]

31. Yeah, I've seen much of the same

At least it seems like they are trying to dispel calls for violence (or cover their own ass).

[Walt Starr]

32. Countdown to shutdown

Active now, how long will this thread last?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1369697/posts

[ultraist]

50. it's locked

This thread has been pulled.

Pulled on 03/24/2005 7:56:34 AM PST by Admin Moderator, reason:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1369665/posts

[Walt Starr]

34. They are directing all Shiavo talk to this thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1369665/posts

Looks like they are heavily moderating to insure no calls for violence.

[NYC Liberal]

44. Do they really NOT want violence, or do they just not

want the site to get in trouble?

Methinks the latter.

[Walt Starr]

54. Definitely the latter

They know that should there be calls of violence on the site and actual violence occurred, they'd be shut down in a New York minute.

[ultraist]

55. "Mod note: Calls for violence will result in suspensions"

Sounds like they have had a lot of calls for violence. The site does not want to be implicated in that. They could get in trouble. That's where freedom of speech ends, where it incites violence. (As well as other restrictions).

[drdon326]

60. LINK ??

.

[NYC Liberal]

65. Here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1369665/posts

[ultraist]

79. The link is in Walt's post 34 above to the freeper site

The one I responded to

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. When It Looked Like Kerry Was Going To Win In The Waning Days

of Election 2004 I took great glee in the freepers cosmic pain and even linked their sites with titles"There's A Meltdown At Freak Republic"...


I take no glee in their pain over this situtation because I feel it too....


Peace

Brian

[Walt Starr]

58. I feel joy in this

Finally, she will be let go.

[FreedomAngel82]

94. I'd go for

covering their own ass. If someone does try some action (or a group) they don't want it to lead back to their site where they did the planning. Couldn't they get in trouble or something?

[janx]

69. I just saw Felos interviewed. He said that yesterday, there

was a small window of opportunity which Jeb took advantage of. The DCF was mobilizing and called a hospital to make sure the hospital would be ready for Terri Schiavo--they were going in to get her and bring her in.
An attorney for the hospital called Felos, and Felos then filed the necessary court documents to stop it.

At this point, Felos says, if Jeb Bush orders anyone to remove Schiavo from the hospice, it would legally be a kidnapping.

[Just Me]

36. Which is the point. They want executive tyranny so they attack the,...

,...judicial branch as "tyrannical".

The judicial branch is the only remaining independent branch of our government right now.

I am so disgusted that these control freak extremists are using a helpless/powerlessness woman to further their own religious/political plan for power. It's as fascist as anything I've ever witnessed in this country.

[Left Is Write]

38. More proof in black and white that they simply do not get it.

They do not understand this situation, they know nothing about Michael Schiavo, and they have swallowed the talking points hook, line, and sinker.

[NYC Liberal]

64. This is SICK! Look at what one of those NUTJOBS posted in response:

To: ConservativeMan55



402 posted on 03/24/2005 8:19:55 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)



:puke::puke::puke:

[ultraist]

82. They've tried drawing parallels to everything they can

Feminism, disablity rights, the Civil Rights movement, the Holocaust, comparing Terri to Jesus ("ordering Jesus to death") etc.

:eyes:

The prolifer fanatic cult is out of control. Bush better get control his cult, before they do something violent. They have gone into full mob hysteria mode.

[KharmaTrain]

27. Was There Any Doubt?

No one doubted this would happen...they've had three other chances to take a crack at this case and passed it back to the state court, where it belongs. Glad to see Scalia didn't hijack this one, like he did with Gore v. Florida.

[bling bling]

40. I'll admit I had a speck of doubt.

I can't rely on trusting that any decision makers in this country have common sense anymore. I've become so cynical and disheartened that I don't know if anything would shock me at this point. Thank goodness that this Supreme Court didn't get involved. But I fear for our future if the courts are stocked with fundie wackos appointed by *. Life as we know it will be a history report. The fundies want us all to be like Terri -- just existing, not really living.

[KharmaTrain]

45. I Don't Blame You...I Had My Moments, Too

Why I mentioned Gore v. Florida, which i felt the SCOTUS overstepped their jurdisdiction by interfering with a state election. That case should have never gotten into a Federal court and, unfortunately, now the precedent is set for the Federal courts to step in on a ton of state issues.

This could have been another one, as any lawyer worth his weight in salt, could use any ruling in favor of Schiavo at any federal court and try to overturn any civil litigation...from divorcee decrees to child custody to estates and so on. I think all the judges involved see that slippery slope and a major reason to avoid getting involved...thank goodness.

Think of the bitchslap this would have on the judiciary if after 19 judges and an almost unanimous verdict on this case, for another judge to step in, with little to no real knoweldge in the case, and over-rule.

Fortunately, I think if this had gone to the whole court, it would have been shot down as the moderate Repugnicans see this as the Democrats do.

But then this Schiavo fiasco has nothing to do with justice or the law...it's power politics and personal grandstanding.

[bling bling]

52. You know it's scary times

when I am breathing a sigh of relief that the current USSC has 5 "reasonable" conservative judges in terms of comparing them to what we're likely to be dealing with in the near future.

[FreedomAngel82]

95. You're right

The republicans are trying to use this to gain seats and they also are probably testing the waters for any future event. I bet this is just a testing ground for something bigger they have in mind. :scared: That's what I worry about. If they can get away with this little thing what else could they get away with?

[MsTryska]

33. I'm wondering if The Judges are going to be our

backlash agaisnt the insanity that is our executive and legislative branch at this juncture?


looks liek their the only ones that have any power, and i'm gettign the feelign they are pretty miffed that the lunatics on Capitol Hill are trying to wrest power away from them.


These republicans really do eat their own don't they?

[rockedthevoteinMA]

35. On CNN some guy just compared her to JC.

:eyes:

[Left Is Write]

39. And the timing couldn't be better for such comparisons.

The whole circus just keeps getting uglier.

[FreedomAngel82]

97. Maybe that's why now

I think that's why now. And her parents saying they're Catholics and things like that. If she was a pagan I betcha they wouldn't have even bothered. Perfect timing, don't you think? And Frist and DeLay knew that everybody would've been gone from DC and their offices so they could've easily passed this since they knew democrats wouldn't have flown back for this nonsense. It was a perfect plan but it's backfiring on people who think.

[bling bling]

46. On the WSJ editorial responses some fundy said JC

appointed Jeb and * to power so that they could be her guardian angels.

So, God appointed a president who's done nothing but fuck up our lives and the lives of people around the world and the trade-off is the sole purpose of him being in a powerful position to force a brain-dead woman to stay alive through technology.

Uh, yeah, that sounds reasonable.

[NewJeffCT]

49. and, they'll make a martyr out of poor Terri, too n/t

[Bouncy Ball]

63. No. He. Didn't.

OMG. INSANITY!!!!!

[ultraist]

53. Will there be a violent outbreak?

[ScreamingMeemie]

62. I think we will see a riot. I really do.

What a shame, what a circus. It makes me want to throw up. Let this woman go. If they believe she'll be with God, that should give them peace...instead of watching her exist (I cannot say live) for who knows how many years.

[Bouncy Ball]

66. Let them riot.

It makes them look even crazier. Let the country, let the world SEE just how insane these people are. Heck, I'm already loving it that FUX is broadcasting them 24/7 and giving them time on the microphone.

Reasonable people everywhere are shaking their heads at things like "SHE'S IN ANGUISH!!! SHE'S IN PAIN!! IT'S A HORRIFIC DEATH!! HER SKIN IS CRACKING!!!"

:eyes:

[FreedomAngel82]

98. That's what I don't get either

But they have this hope and "proof" she can recover. This one republican was telling me on this Christian radio they were listening to that this so-called doctor was on there claiming he "could do wonders" with her if given the chance. Yep, he's going to regrow her a brain huh?

[Avalux]

78. I think so - especially if she passes away tomorrow n/t

[ultraist]

84. I hope that no one gets hurt

They have already abused their own children by having them break the law and get arrested. If they are willing to throw their own children to the wolves, for their cult cause, they are likely willing to go to any lengths.

This has become a feeding frenzy for the cult followers. That's a dangerous point. That's when people start committing suicide or homicide.

[deadparrot]

100. Now finally, finally

I hope Terri Schiavo can die in peace--and may people learn that death is a part of life.

I hope Jeb and Co. keep the nutcases from rioting in down in Florida. God help us all if there is violence--there's been too much pain in this case as it is. :(

[mvd]

101. They should have denied it

The Federal government and the fundies have no right getting into a private matter. On the other hand, if Terri's parents want to care for her that badly (talk to her, comb her hair, etc,) even in her state, Michael should defer to their wishes. Personally, I wouldn't want to linger like that, but I've heard Terri is her parents' lives. Maybe Michael thinks he's fighting for what Terri wanted, yet she made the statement so long ago.