There's something ugly and ominous going on...

[solinvictus]

Anyone familiar with "The Fear"? Well, for fuck's sake, I'm starting to get it and I'm not under the influence and scanning for cops on the prowl. There's something ugly and ominous going on in our country and I'm beginning to feel it all over like a rash. We're having instances of mass murder, inflationary fuel and its Siamese twin consumer inflation are on the rise and I can not for the life of me see the Bush economic miracle. Today, GM announced some numbers that'd make any economic analyst run out for triple martinis to quell the horrors.

Let's take stock of the social fabric of our society: we have our native Ayatollah's issuing a litany of Fatwah's against one Michael Schiavo. His crime? Trying to carry out his vegetated wife's wishes to allow her to shed this mortal coil. Our own American Taliban has rallied the faithful around this poor woman and they are making their Hadj to Florida where the True Believers are being arrested in droves for trying to drown the woman with their faith and bottled water.

"Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness Against Thy Neighbor" seems to be a flexible part of the Mosaic law, a "suggestion" or "guideline" rather than a full "commandment" for Terri's uninvited saviors. Schiavo, in the corporate media, has been called negligent, abusive, callous, a murderer, and an adulterer. This poor bastard is in the unenviable position of trying to fulfill his wife's wishes whilst slogging it out in every court in Florida with the in-laws. I'm surprised the Schindlers haven't tried to force this issue into a traffic court considering the venue shopping they've done for years. To clarify the issues with the Shiite Christian activists who are working this issue, every nurse's aid who's wiped Terri's butt in the past twelve years is getting their media moment. "I swear, Terri ate a steak dinner and we talked about the implications of NAFTA back in 1995, but Michael only cared about her death." Bullshit, I say, considering Terri's facility staff have attested to Michael's constant calls and visits to insure his wife was moved and fed as scheduled. Really sounds like a man who wants his wife to suffer, huh?

It's getting harsh here, folks, and I'm really wondering about an America pulling a classical Balkans here in the next couple of years. We're a contentious people and I'll say it, that's a fucking point of greatness in our nation, but that billigerence is about to turn inward and right now we're in a cold stage of our next civil war. The Shiite's have taken over the Republican party and it's getting worse by the day. The Simonov carbine's in the closet ready to go, I've got my portable shortwave, and luckily canned beans and lunchmeat are still cheap. Looks like the ship of state's about to hit the Perfect Storm and I can't say how it's going to shake out.

[datasuspect]

1. i FEEL you

on this one.

christian shiites are some dangerous, irrational, dangerous people who can rationalize anything (up to an including murder) to make their point.

i promise to share my provisions with people like you when the shit hits the fan.

[GHOSTDANCER]

2. It really will take Jesus to come back to save us from ourselves.

[Gman]

20. That's what our priest keeps saying

and he is fairly liberal to the point of questioning the motives of those that would keep Schiavo alive.

[Mr_Spock]

23. The Republican Pharisees would kill Jesus II in a heartbeat

These crazy folks would kill any radical liberal like Jesus without even blinking an eye. These psychos today are truly evil...

[arikara]

48. You said it

Those nuts wouldn't recognize Jesus for a moment. For one thing they're expecting a blond haired blue eyed caucasian with some sort of a neatly trimmed beard. When Jesus does stage a comeback he'll probably be a brown or black person, maybe even a woman this time. And definitely a radical liberal.

[tavalon]

53. Or maybe he might look like a middle eastern fella

much the same as he did last time..........

[NVMojo]

56. I think he was a brown person the first time ...we bleached him ...

[Richard Steele]

74. Not to get too far off-topic, BUT re: Jesus' face:

Some researchers back in 2002 put together an archeological composite of what Jesus would have actually looked like.

They used 3 skulls of Male Palestinian Semites who lived near Jerusalem around 0 a.d., and created an averaged composite via computer modeling.

They then made a life-sized composite-skull model, and had a forensic reconstructionist use clay to rebuild the face.

So we now have an idea of what a typical male of Jesus' backround looked like.

Shroud of Turin is WAAAAAAY off!

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/1282186.html

[Donailin]

84. In Isaiah 53

the scripture reads:

" He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,

nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by men,

a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.

Like one from whom men hide their faces

he was despised, and we esteemed him not"

IOW, he was unattractive, perhaps to the point where we would look away from him.

There is no physical description of Christ anywhere, not even in the Gospel of Thomas.

[adigal]

95. LOL!!! You may not have intended this to be funny

but the truth of it just struck me as startlingly funny. Jesus has been made into an Irish dude with fair skin and blue eyes. I know - my Catholic mother has a painting of him.

No disrespect intended.

[arikara]

98. It is funny how they remade him in their image

Ya think he stood out as a blonde haired, blue eyed Irishman in Galilee...

[FreedomAngel82]

61. Yep

I bet if that does happen it'd fly right over their heads. You can feel the tension in the air. :\ I don't like it at all and it's scary.

[GHOSTDANCER]

124. What if he looks just like Osama? n/t

[LiberalAndProud]

36. Hoping for immediate RAPTURE.

If God would sweep the RaptureRight into the ether, the rest of us could get about the business of building a just and righteous world. (Just wishing)

[NVMojo]

54. Are you native american? Wondering about the name.

Jesus needs to overcome the smearing of his name and teachings by the hypocrites that have homogenized him to dominate the lives of others.

[earth mom]

97. Exactly-Not to mention how they use Jesus as a weapon. eom

[faithnotgreed]

111. right on

[The Doctor.]

3. I've begun looking into 'insect farming' as a means of

sustenance.

After all - all the fools will hunt out all the game without a thought for their long-term welfare.

Yes, things will probably get ugly.

[Tace]

81. Yuck -- Not A Bad Idea, Though

Mmmm. I've always said I'd eat anything if I were hungry enough.

[DireStrike]

87. The thought occurred to me - plenty of roaches in these apartments

They're like little vacuum cleaner twinkies - turning all the dust, dirt and grime into a handy little snack. Just gotta be careful that they haven't been poisoned by anybody.

[UTUSN]

4. We Live Under Wingnutism, and That Means HARSH n/t

[Swede]

5. I can't disagree with you solinvictus.

But I still have hope for our future.

[bobthedrummer]

6. Class war, not civil war, class war is underway.

O8)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. The extended class war will dissolve into...

...an actual shooting war as they do in most other countries.

If things keep going the way they are, that may come sooner rather than later.

[Tux]

14. Class war and

Culture war (I know overused).

What we are seeing is a war over wealth, political philosophy, and religion. For too long America had been ignoring a critical thing in elections: a viable 3rd party to counter the right and left of Republicians and Democrats. Either/or should be replaced with a,b, and c for options.

Until that day, we're screwed by the rich, the conversative, and the far right Christians. :puke: :puke: :puke: :freak:

[FreedomAngel82]

62. I think so too

It's here I think. Not strong but just enough to be noticed by people unless they've been effected or follow things that aren't in MSM and look to other resources for news. The people who are so caught up in Michael Jackson and Terri Schavio for example probably haven't been effected yet. When it comes watch out though.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

7. My 84-year-old WWII veteran Dad has been saying the same thing....

...for about three years now. He sincerely believes that will be the only way to right the boat.

[solinvictus]

8. My 62 y/o Viet Nam vet dad...

is saying the same thing, that corporate money and their Shiite Christian footsoldiers are ruining the country and will push us into another shooting civil war.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

Only this time, it will be between the top 1% plus whoever they can....

...buy to fight for them, and the remaining 99%. It will all depend on which way the military and the various police forces decide to go.

[RPM]

30. you mean the military that is someplace far far away

wonder how/why that came to happen.

doesnt look good for the 99% crowd.

[FreedomAngel82]

63. Considering

the military and police they'll probably side with Bush and his camp. Why? They're owned.

[FlemingsGhost]

65. That is not civil war, it is revolution.

Don't be afraid of the word, folks.

It will soon be en vogue ...

[nashville_brook]

96. my 70-something korean vet, marines and air force sargeant father-in-law

the first thing i remember him saying to me -- standing in the driveway in his east tennessee farmers' overall's -- was that "he was too old" that i was the of generation "that was going to take the bastards out and shoot them."

part of why i married his son -- :)

[mike_c]

10. This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco...

Heard of a van that is loaded with weapons,
Packed up and ready to go
Heard of some gravesites, out by the highway,
A place where nobody knows
The sound of gunfire, off in the distance,
I’m getting used to it now
Lived in a brownstore, lived in the ghetto,
I’ve lived all over this town

This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco,
This ain’t no fooling around
No time for dancing, or lovey dovey,
I ain’t got time for that now

Transmit the message, to the receiver,
Hope for an answer some day
I got three passports, a couple of visas,
You don’t even know my real name
High on a hillside, the trucks are loading,
Everything’s ready to roll
I sleep in the daytime, I work in the nightime,
I might not ever get home

This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco,
This ain’t no fooling around
This ain’t no mudd club, or c. b. g. b.,
I ain’t got time for that now

Heard about houston? heard about detroit?
Heard about pittsburgh, p. a.?
You oughta know not to stand by the window
Somebody might see you up there
I got some groceries, some peant butter,
To last a couple of days
But I ain’t got no speakers, ain’t got no
Heaphones, ain’t got no records to play

Why stay in college? why go to night school?
Gonna be different this time
Can’t write a letter, can’t send a postcard,
I can’t write nothing at all
This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco,
This ain’t no fooling around
I’d like to kiss you, I’d love you hold you
I ain’t got no time for that now

Trouble in transit, got through the roadblock,
We blended with the crowd
We got computer, we’re tapping pohne lines,
I know that ain’t allowed
We dress like students, we dress like housewives,
Or in a suit and a tie
I changed my hairstyle, so many times now,
I don’t know what I look like!
You make me shiver, I feel so tender,
We make a pretty good team
Don’t get exhausted, I’ll do some driving,
You ought to get some sleep
Get you instructions, follow directions,
Then you should change your address
Maybe tomorrow, maybe the next day,
Whatever you think is best
Burned all my notebooks, what good are
Notebooks? they won’t help me survive
My chest is aching, burns like a furnace,
The burning keeps me alive
Try to stay healthy, physical fitness,
Don’t want to catch no disease
Try to be careful, don’t take no chances,
You better watch what you say

Talking Heads

[solinvictus]

12. Deja vu...

I posted these lyrics on a similar thread the other night and found the song chillingly relevant in light of recent events.

[skids]

46. Talking Heads is always worth a re-listen.

There's always a timely tune on Remain in Light or Fear of Music (or the double live album from that time period The Name of This Band Is Talking Heads.) Also Steppenwolf's "Monster" is an album I highly recommend dusting off and listening through again, and for the religiously minded, the new live CD from an old Jethro Tull concert and of course much of classic Black Sabbath have a few choice lyrics about "xstians."

[Theres-a]

94. I heard it on the radio recently and it gave me a chill,too.

So did Black Sabbath "War Pigs":scared:

[GHOSTDANCER]

125. It's weird that I never understood that song? It goes by so fast usually.

And I listened to it a good 100 times total in my life probably. I'm serious a 100 times. And not once knew it was so packed with these lyrics?

[givemebackmycountry]

11. Valid points...one and all.

But, there is one fatal flaw.

Once we stop spending, once we stop consuming, it's over.
Once the coffers of the almighty corporations start to dwindle, whatever party is in power will be as welcome as food stamps at Nieman-Marcus.

The economy is headed down the tubes, and gas prices are headed skyward, and these ass hats are clueless.

Let them start another war, let them "allow" another terrorist act happen on their watch, let them try and overturn Roe V Wade, and the house of cards will crumble around them.

The sad part is, I don't see any Dem's who are willing to step in and fill the void once an opening occurs.

That, is what has me worried.

I hope that you are wrong, but I also fear I may be as well.

God help us all.

[MADem]

21. There's another scary scenario

Need more money? Print more. Unemployed workforce? DRAFT. Divide and conquer--you have your police and authority figures, and then you have your serfs and peasants. Rat out your neighbor, win a prize!!!

Above it all, the elites.

How to keep it going? War without end, Amen.

[MrNiceGuyDied]

77. bingo

Bush is not incompetent.

He is evil.

Everyone always judges this administration's efficacy based on their liberal ideals.

Try looking at the record from a totalitarian/autocratic perspective and you see the evil geniuses for what they really are.

This smug gloating I see about GOP 'Overreaching' is classic denial.

The Reich is 2/3 finished its mission and most people don't even think the real battle has begun.

[solinvictus]

26. Corporations..

They won't go down quietly. They'll use hired guns to protect and enforce their will on the rest of us. If we have another true depression, I doubt the country will survive intact as we know it. If we have a complete economic collapse, I predict the following:

1) China will settle Taiwan's hash decisively once and for all.
2) If we are weakened to that degree at home, our forces abroad will be cut off and it will be a slaughter.
3) Riots will erupt all over the country for food, fuel, and other necessities.
4) Civil order will break down as the police force dissolves. Cops will ditch duty to go home and protect their own families. Ditto for domestic soldiers.
5) The CEO class will abscond with any liquid assets and desert the country.

I've been considering all angles over the past few months and this seems a likely scenario to me.

[fob]

50. Speaking of Corporations not going quietly, while you're dusting off

the Talking Heads albums, pick up Rollerball with James Caan to see what happens after the Corporate Wars. Spooky.

[nashville_brook]

105. our forces abroad seem cut-off as it is. i can easily imagine your vision

[Clark2008]

27. I have my General

And, damnit, no matter what some say on this board - I'm sticking behind him. He knows how to fight wars AND build coalitions AND run a freakin' economy!
I'm out of work and one paycheck away from losing my home because I cannot find anything more than a $7-an-hour job (fast, I mean). And, all I did was not bow down and go to school and work and support myself. This is my thanks from BushCo.
Fuck 'em. I'm taking my unemployment check (which I may not receive because my employer is challenging it in my right-to-work - scratch that - right-to-be-fired state) and buyin' me a shotgun. I can make some buckshot - that's one of the only perks to being Southern, anymore.

[solinvictus]

29. I feel you...

I worked in the insurance industry for five years and I applied at Wally World last night. Great economic recovery, eh?

[Clark2008]

34. At least I can go to work where my mother works - as an aide

I'd make about $6 or $7 an hour, but it's income.
And it's not Wally World.
But, I don't blame you for applying. You have to work. I have to work. I have a kid to feed and take care of.

[solinvictus]

40. Me too..

I applied for management. If I got the job, I'd get a 20% discount on store items, meaning I can buy guns, ammo, and canned food cheaper. Ironic, eh?

[FizzFuzz]

93. applied for management? Hope you're not a woman.

Know what I mean?

Great post,by the way.

[FreedomAngel82]

64. Also something else

is people who lived through it last time can recognize the signs and we have history as well to show us. Looks like history does repeat itself after all. Who was it who said "those who forget history often repeat it"? I can't remember right now.

[nashville_brook]

103. i think i spilled bongwater on my morning affirmations, but here's this

don't take this personally -- or DO -- but it's US, not the politicians at this point. we are firmly in "outsider" territory. the game isn't being played in the usual way with heroic politicians. no matter. american political history is full of people's movements.

when i read "The sad part is, I don't see any Dem's..." in these discussions, it rattles my cage b/c it's self-feating. it doesn't matter if it's true or not. as a matter of fact, the truth is this matter is quite vague. but the statement itself hurts our ability to gell. my initial reaction reading it was "yeah, you're right -- wonder what Salon's got today."

then i think, well, the message is only harmful if it's left out there un-examined. so, i'm challenging the statement, b/c i think it's what we must do. everytime someone issues a prophecy of hopelessness, it's my hope that another, gently shows the way out.

it's on us, it's going to be a wild ride -- we have to give it all we got.

[applegrove]

13. Fortunately the horror of it and the constant underlying patterns of

the freaks are being seen by more and more. So buddy you are not alone. We have a chance to reconnect all of us. With a common enemy.

Beelzebub Bush.

[Biased Liberal Media]

15. My Atheist husband is pondering if we're really due for an "end of times"

with everything going on right now, and so close to Easter, he's wondering. And he doesn't believe. He's one of the most hardcore Atheist people I've ever met.

Something ain't right.

[nashville_brook]

106. me and my husband are the same way -- not religious, but

wonder about myth and self-fulfilling prophecy. we are in our late 30s and it was a topic of discussion many years ago at parties that many of us, as children, just assumed we would see the end of the world. probably has to do with catching the tail end of the cold war. chilling nonetheless. interesting party chat too. ask your friends what they think sometime.

[Bluebear]

16. Nominated. Something ain't right, folks

[TheModernTerrorist]

17. so where are we all meeting

for when Civil War breaks out? I don't have any means to defend myself at the moment (poor college grad here) :-(

[solinvictus]

19. Self defense...

Let me give you some suggestions. For about $120, you can get a Marlin Model 60 .22 rifle and a few boxes of cartridges. Cheap, fairly effective, and easy to shoot for those unfamiliar with firearms.
Another option if you're familiar: a Russian, Polish, Hungarian, or Romanian Mosin Nagant for $60-100 with a can of ammo for $40-50. This rifle is as effective as a US .30/'06, reliable in all conditions, and has a fairly long range. If you go the used/surplus option, check the barrel with a flashlight for a bright bore, clean spiral grooves in the rifling, and no pitting, or corroded spots.
Please, if you can, arm yourself. We may need them.

[hootinholler]

28. Or a Marlin 30/30

Nice lever action, common ammo but not .762. Another $50 gets you a cheap Bushnell variable scope, the combo is accurate to a 3 in. x 5rd. group at 100 yds for an unpracticed shooter using a bench.

I'll have to look at the Mosin, not familiar with it. I'd love to have a resin stock M14 also.

-Hoot

[driver8]

75. Where is that bank that gives you a free rifle when you open an account?

I feel like opening an account...

[FreedomAngel82]

66. Scary

My grandparents live in the country here in Tennessee and my granfather has a little gun (not sure the type :shrug: ) and a shotgun. If it does get to being that bad. He used to go hunting and do shooting ranges. So at least someone is in my family who I can run to for protection. It's so sad to think of what has happened. :\

[nashville_brook]

109. where in TN? hubby and i have always said we'd head back to

unicoi county. where his family is from. we have lots of friends up there who are well-armed and live on a mountain with water, etc. ex-military mountain folk. liberals, too.

goofy talk -- but we've comforted ourselves with the notion of having a plan.

[Renew Deal]

52. Aren't you the modern terrorist?

;) become a guerrilla.

[TheModernTerrorist]

92. yeah, but

I mean "modern" as in I use a computer. ;-)
I suppose I could throw my computer at people when needed. hehe

[nashville_brook]

108. mountains offer good cover, clean water and good soil

small communities (even within cities) make good sense.

i had friends in college who took the earth first lifestyle to it's logical and ethical conclusion and live up in the hills pretty much off the grid. i was waaaaay too happy with my dishwasher and laundry hookups to ever seriously go that route.

i heard someone on NPR say once that everyone should learn an acoustic instrument, for when you have to unplug (b/c that day is coming). i'm thinking mandolin is going to be mine. not sure why -- just like how small they are.

why should the end of civilization be BORING? :)

[janx]

18. We're being fed fear.

It's up to us to eat it or refuse it.

[nashville_brook]

110. or reUSE it :)

[pfitz59]

22. I nearly lost it at work today.

The subject was Terry Schiavo and "When does life begin?" A co-worker took exception to my characterization of Henry Hyde, Delay, Santo-rectum (etc) as 'lying hypocrites'. Somehow the Fundies are trying to link Schaivo with Abortion and the "Democratic Death Cult"? WTF is wrong with these people?

[AuntiBush]

24. They finally have an IDIOT leader like themsevles.

Or at least that's what "they" assume. I still can't get over how many still believe he's poor (just like his daddy) living on a old, dusty farm born in Texas.

Black Gold. Texas Tea. Oil. And the first thing you know, ole' JEB's a millionaire... odd his name was JEB.

[Clark2008]

32. The difference is that Jed Clampett was a good person

(BTW, his name was Jed, not Jeb).
and he would have given away most of his fortune to help people. I realize Jed Clampett is a character on a TV show, but that character - a true "hillbilly," was the salt of the earth and, even wealthy, was respectful of the poor and down-trodden.
The BFEE isn't like that - at all.

[AuntiBush]

39. You are right!

Thank you for that correction. Remembering now several news pieces on the gentleman that played Jed, not Jeb and it left me feeling good about him. He went on to create his own wealth and was respectful of the poor.

My deepest apologies for the general characterization.

[nashville_brook]

112. more like when does life END! reminds me of Bill Hicks...

he had a bit about prolifers needing to really commit to the project. if they are so prolife, they need to barracade graveyards. no one's getting in!

my god, it's happened.

[Clark2008]

25. I dare say that I've seen a lot of DUers start re-thinking their position

on guns as a result of all of this.
I was never a "ban guns" person, although, I can understand why certain guns aren't necessary for hunting and self-protection.
But, Jesus in Heaven, these people are nuts. We'd better be prepared.

[RPM]

31. will probably buy this weekend

things are getting iffy.

Is this what 1968 felt like - that's what i was always taught was the pinnacle of feeling like the country's on the precipice.

[bobthedrummer]

35. This is far worse than 1968, RPM.

[hvn_nbr_2]

41. You got that right.

In 1968, people still had jobs, and the U.S. had a manufacturing base.

In 1968, people still expected the future to be better for themselves and even better for their children.

In 1968, we still had real elections and people believed that they could make a difference.

In 1968, Richard Nixon was the very worst they could come up with. Today Nixon would seem like a fairly ethical moderate, by comparison.

I could go on.

[solinvictus]

44. My stepdad says the same thing..

He was a veteran of Viet Nam and today, he said that the country's never been more hopeless and Bush will be recorded in American history as the worst president ever.

[tavalon]

57. Sadly,

he will possibly be recorded as the last president ever.

[catzies]

100. The comedian Patton Oswalt said that in his standup routine

In re Bush's apoaclyptic tendendcies.

"He doesn't want to just be president, he wants to be the LAST president!"

I really believe he believes it.

[nashville_brook]

113. patton oswalt is my personal savior

[bobbieinok]

45. 1968....fed courts were 'reasonable'; MAJOR MEDIA DIVERSITY

[FreedomAngel82]

68. I was listening to some radio program

and I can't remember which one. Someone called in saying they wished we had Nixon back. Now that's bad. I wasn't a live then but have done plenty reading on that time frame and Nixon/Kennedy etc. and that's pretty sad when you want the paranoid guy back.

[libhill]

43. 1968

Was a minor disturbance, compared to what's happening now - sure, in '68 there was protest and some violence, but on the flip side, you didn't have half the country going fucking nuts, trying to force their lunatic agenda on the rest of us, and lining up behind a man that I truly feel may be the Anti-Christ.

[Kool Kitty]

69. I remember 1968, and I have to say that I have

never been so frightened and depressed in my life. This whole thing is os overblown and scary that sometimes I doubt that I still live in the US that I actually grew up in.

[BamaGirl]

47. I think this is probably what 1929 felt like-

the last time Reps. controlled damn near the entire gov't. Even my Dad, who went to Viet Nam in 1968 (definitely not his favorite year), thinks this is our darkest hour. He says there was hope till Raygun took office. :P

[Renew Deal]

51. Our darkest hour?

That's a valid argument. Do you know why he says that? I personally think he might be right. We are in real dangerous territory here with not only poor leadership, but dastardly leadership. It's not a good time.

[BamaGirl]

60. We've talked about it a little.

And if you look where he's coming from, it's pretty scary. He was born in 1943. In his youth, his Dad was a Teamster's organizer, the Democrats were busy molding a country of social progress if not equality, and his generation (he does not consider himself a Baby Boomer) was a big part of the Civil Rights Movement, changing the voting age, the Women's Rights Movement, breaking down the old social order and forced morality of the 50's, etc. He went to Viet Nam and came home and protested it, and despite problems in the economy he felt the country was moving in the right direction till Raygun came along. Then, the old order combined with the religious fanatics and gradually took over the Republican party and has begun to systematically take apart everything FDR and his generation managed to accomplish. I think my Dad sees this as a direct insult to the work his father spent years doing.

Have you read Straus and Howe? We (Dad and I) think this is part of a cycle we go thru every 80 years or so. It will come to a head very soon. I expect that. Unfortunately, we think things will have to get much worse before the brainwashed wake up. What worries me is that we don't seem to have an FDR, and I think we will desparately need one to fix the mess this group is making.

Anyway, he saw the rise of the American middle class and now the slide, so his preception of "darkest hour" is pretty accurate, imo.

[FreedomAngel82]

71. I agree with your post

I think a lot of the brainwashed will have to wake up eventually. Something really big. I've always felt that since in November. I'm sure it will happen but I don't know when of course. The Terri Schavio thing has had a little help but I wonder if it's enough.

[FreedomAngel82]

70. Don't forget

controlled. They control everything. If it wasn't for that they wouldn't have been able to last through this last "election" and slide through I think. :\ Bush reminds me of the moronic version of Hitler. Such a dumbass but quite scary.

[housewolf]

37. Guns

I don't like guns. Never have. Didn't grow up with them, never used them, never had any familiarity with them.

For years I thought gun control was a a great idea, particularly when it came to assualt weapons.

I came of age in the 60's and 70's and took notice of the type of weaponry the "authorities" brought out in order to try to control the citizenry. And I've watched their weaponry grow larger, more lethal and more horrible as the years have progressed.

Automatic weapons are certain death machines, particularly when loaded with exploding bullets.

At some point it occurred to me that a dis-armed citizenry is a bad thing. I can forsee a possible future in which our government will find a need to massively control the population. The last few years have seen MASSIVE usurption of powers by government at all levels. Is it completely unthinkable that our government could turn against its own people?

What if some sort of epidemic occurs and all citizens are required to receive vacinnations or treatment of some sort? What if some sort of WMD is unleashed in a densely populated area and all citizens of an area are required to be evacuated? What if there are food or oil shortages, panic and riots in the streets? Or a natural disaster of some sort?

How will we know if what we are being told is the truth? How would we know our government wasn't activating population control operations?

We are already seeing our governments grab more and more power unto themselves. It is really unthinkable that the government could evolved into a self-survival mode and turn against its citizenry?

For the sake of ourselves, our children and grandchildren, our country and our future, we need to think carefully about such possible scenarios.

[solinvictus]

38. It can happen here...

I want you to consider talk radio. Right now, nationally broadcasted hosts like Hannity, Limbaugh, et al have called for Democrats, liberals, and others to be rounded up and detained for the good of the country. Now, consider the millions of Shiite Christians who listen to these men with rapt attention daily as if the Lord himself spoke on high. If these men escalate the viriol against us, if their emotional, knee jerk followers choose to act, we have a recipe for disaster.
Now, consider the above scenario has played itself out in Rawanda and then reflect on the results in America. I'm saying it over until I'm blue in the face: arm yourselves.

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[psychopomp]

80. I'm with you on that and think most Americans would not organize

to fight to bring about their rw agenda. They are too comfortable. And the ones that would would quickly be isolated in the public eye and shut down by law enforcement.

[nashville_brook]

115. teehee -- you said dittymonkey and overcompensating pussy

dittopussies

[suegeo]

114. Operation Northwoods

You asked: Is it completely unthinkable that our government could turn against its own people?

I read a bit about a plan called "Operation Northwoods." There are documents that show right-wing crazies in the U.S. military wanted to terrorized and kill American citizens in order to build support to invade Cuba. The plan was called "operation northwoods."

Unthinkable? Hell the assholes drew up the plans to do just such a thing: attack the American people.

Which kind of leaves me wondering, in the wee hours of the night, just what the hell did happen to us on 9.11.01 and who did it?!?.

[nashville_brook]

116. i wonder plenty about 9.11 and never paid any attention to northwoods

come across it a bunch -- but never read about it. that is amazing and predictable. many of the bushies are leftover nixonites -- were they involved in northwoods?

[Renew Deal]

49. i have noticed that over the last year

And it's been in my head again the last few days. Shit can't stay the way it is. I feel like someone/something (not me) is going to snap.

[hootinholler]

83. The Second was never about self-protection

From citizens or hunting, its all about self-protection from the Fed. The founders knew what a government run amok would do. While I don't think we're there yet, I do think we could get there.

-Hoot

[Bouncy Ball]

90. We've had two guns for years.

My handgun, his shotgun. Very very locked up and secure, but we've got 'em.

[Kazak]

33. Something's rotten in Denmak!

Shiites is right one there.

Agreed and nominated.

[I_Make_Mistakes]

42. Maybe it's time for a plague

Look at the Bird Flu, Norwalk on cruise ships, Marburg (sp?), etc.

Remember when Moses said to Pharaoh set my people free?

I have been feeling for a little while that a great outbreak is just around the corner. It is a sad thought, but, maybe that's natures way of purging and rebuilding.

[nashville_brook]

117. watch the 2nd season of Millenium -- it's out on dvd

[evil_orange_cat]

55. what's with all the references to Islam?

ayatollahs? shi'ite christian?

I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant, but that sounds pretty racist to me.

[NVMojo]

58. I don't see it as racism. I think it is called effective sarcasm ...this

are religious wingnutts..

[MrNiceGuyDied]

78. agreed

I know many a Shiite that did nothing to warrant such a slight as to be compared to this administration or its followers.

The point should be made without such slander.

Remember it's the Christians dropping the bombs not the Muslims.

[FlemingsGhost]

59. Civil war? Nah ... revolution

You see, the Christian Taliban are hardly the majority.

Eventually, the remaining populus will unite. All that's left, is to see just how much we can endure before reaching critical mass.

[FreedomAngel82]

72. The thing though

All they have to do is do their little preaching and bring numbers out. Have you ever seen one of those preaching networks and the audience? My gosh. It's always huge in numbers! I'm Christian and these folks are very scary. :scared: Now not everybody will rise up and follow but you never know what someone will do if they are told we are Satan's followers etc. and they have to destroy us (sounds familiar doesn't it?).

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. Yep and I do fear the Schiavo event

will be our modern fort sumpter, even jebby today mentioned the no violence folks, 'kay?

[EstimatedProphet]

76. I'm right with you. There's too many things going on right now

1) We have a substantial portion of the citizenry that is brainwashed by the Right into thinking that everyone on the left is a satanic murderer. A lot of these people also associate their manliness with being on the Right. Many of them also believe that they are saved, and think that being saved means that all their actions are now virtuous, regardless of what they are or their impact on others.
2) The loudest leaders are claiming direct instructions from God. Delay for example was also saved, and believes that his deeds are therefore morally right, regardless of what they are. No wonder he's having ethics violations.
3) And the scariest thing right now-they are clearly trying to use Schiavo to muster their troops. Delay and Frist claiming, in direct conflict with what is clearly known and documented, that Schiavo is conscious and effectively healthy, is designed to brainwash their delusional base even further. For God's sake, if she were conscious and rational like they claim, eating steak dinners and talking politics, then why would she unavoidably die without a feeding tube?!? However, ask that to the brainwashed, and they'll call you a murderer. They have been conditioned to ignore facts that do not correspond to what their leader says. They'll simply say that they don't care what the facts are, they know what's right.
I think that Corporate America jumped on the Bush bandwagon with the mistaken idea that they could control him. Now they're waking up (I hope), and hopefully it isn't too late. Delay in particular scares the hell out of me right now. He clearly wants to mobilize the deluded into a personal army-his remarks disparaging Mr. Schiavo aren't about politics, but about painting Schiavo as an enemy of the state. I strongly fear that he may "accidentally" convince his base to take matters into their own hands, and the US will have their own Kristallnacht. The direction this country is headed leads directly to a bunker with these nuts putting a pistol barrel in their mouths. My fear is that they won't let go until they are there, regardless of what happens.

[MrNiceGuyDied]

79. you got it more than most !!

Delay says Terri can talk
Frist says she laughs and cries
Jeb says there is new evidence (that will never be considered)
George say Terri should live but he's not powerful enough

DU's home page talks about GOP over reaching.

These people don't just say things like this to make themselves look foolish.

I'd yell WAKE the fuk up but you get it.

[Karenina]

86. Redneck vigilantes on your southern border

git 'em some Mexicans??? :wow: :wow: :wow:

America lately be lookin' like a giant zit with a pus-filled head!!!

[mopaul]

82. jesus isn't going to help us here

we shouldn't wait around for his help, but roll up our own sleeves.

[radwriter0555]

85. The Fourth Reich. The New Americanazis. The Republicanazis. Gestapo...

Secret Service. Homeland Security. The Patriot Act.

Killing them to save them.

Saving Americans from Muslims...

Saving Americans from Al CIAda...

Reichstag. 911.

Protecting the Germans from the Jews.

Killing them to save them.

It will take NATO in the streets of my beloved Washington, the District of Columbia, foreign guns in the very chapels of what was once Democracy, to restore this nation and remove this regime from the tyrannical hold they're slowly strangling us with.

I've lost count of the how many times I've said "I told you so" since August 5th, 2000.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. If The Shiavo Situation Can Be Reduced To A Manichean Right-Left Struggle

how do you explain the fact that Tom Harkin, , the Reverand Jesse Jackson, the Reverand Al Sharpton, Kendrick Meek and half of the Congressional Black Caucus are in favor of restoring Terri Schiavo's feeding tube...

[Joe Chi Minh]

102. It's good to read your point,

DemocratSinceBirth, but you're wasting your time, pointing out such footling technicalities to these people.

They are every bit as cynical in exploiting that poor Mrs Schiavo's fate, to further their stunted, little materialist world-view as our "Darkness Visible" friends on the far right.

They even took to riotously mocking a man who had recovered from a vegetative state, and was demonstrating on behalf of Mrs Schiavo, with a placard to that effect. Ethically, they don't rate the term "regressive"; they don't even appear to have emerged from the primeval slime. The people who mocked Christ thought they were judging him, when all along, it was they who were being judged. Their day will come, rest assured - those who mocked that man.

I feel very sorry for the many regular people associated with them in this issue, beause they honestly share their views concerning Mrs Schiavo's condition and the putative futility of keeping her alive, but who respect the views of others with the contrary view - irrespective of their politics.

It seems to be beyond their wit to fiercely decry the cynical exploitation of the issue by the Pharisees for political purposes, while respecting the honest opposing view of the advocates of the mainstream religious position on the issue. It is a truism that the worst enemies of a religious party are on their own side. How we interpret that may differ, but for all their ranting and crowing, I'd be surprised if they were not in a small minority. Mouth and trousers.

For once in his life, Bush is right about something - whatever his motivation. It's just a pity that he and his cronies don't abide by the precautionay principle in relation to the cultivation of GM crops, i.e. by imposing an indefinite moratorium.

[MadisonProgressive]

89. I've always hated guns and avoided them like the plague

But now I'm having serious thoughts of making a few purchases. It sickens me that it's come to this, but I'm starting to get very worried.

Where can I get an Uzi?

[solinvictus]

118. Take steps to protect yourself..

I have a simplified system of being a quartermaster at my home:
1) Bullets- guns, ammunition, parts, cleaning kits, scopes, binoculars, etc. Anything used to protect yourself or survey your given situation.
2) Band Aids- should be self explanatory, but I include bleach in this.
3) Beans- obviously shelf-storage foodstuffs, vitamins, and water.

If you have no experience with guns, take a gun education course or network here to try to find shooting enthusiasts in your area. Safety first and all.
Next, if you do have experience, there are many more affordable buys than an Uzi. A real Uzi costs over $4-5K and you have to obtain a special permit to own it. A good pump action shotgun, .38 revolver, and a rifle are really about all you need. PM me if you want details on any of the above.

[cilla4progress]

91. Right wing religious nutcases

What just occurred to me is, for people who put so much stock in the sweet hereafter, the visceral reality of heaven, and that all life on this plane is only a preamble to and preparation for entry into the kingdom of heaven - they sure do cling adamantly to "life on earth," while here, don't they? It's downright confounding! And it only confirms my belief that people who exhort an extreme religiosity are driven at base out of fear and insecurity.

[ElectroPrincess]

99. IMHO the politicians have always been corrupt and folks have

always taken advantage of the underclass. We are now almost like the gilded age of the early 1900s. We need another FDR to pull out of this and rid ourselves of the monopolies and robber barons that are stealing America blind.

War and Terri like incidents serve as distractions while *, Cheney and their corporate Neo-Con buddies rob the treasury blind. They are almost literally "foaming at the mouth" at the mere possibility of allowing "Wall Street" to get their hands on the Social Security funds. Let's all pray that they don't pull it off?

No, we are in a sense - reliving the early 1900s. We may have to go into a deep recession or depression before people will wake up from their complacency and DEMAND that our government be responsive to THE PEOPLE first and foremost.

[KansDem]

101. Perhaps you've hit on a new term and phrase: "...going Balkan..."

"Balkan" can be used to desribe someone from the American Taliban "going 'ballistic' or 'postal'" over something like the Terri case: "Fundies 'went Balkan' when the court order to remove the feeding tube was announced..."

It might help to define this moment in US history...

[catzies]

119. That's not how I read that at all. 'Balkanize' means to break things up

into separate entities/nations either racially, ethnically, or religiously.

And that's what would make it our 'Fort Sumter moment.'

edit: addition for clarity

[solinvictus]

120. That's what I meant..

whether political, religious, racial/ethnic, whatever; the dissolution of the USA into separate political entities.

[catzies]

121. Yes, you as the original poster did state that quite well.

I was responding to a poster who I think took Balkans as some sort of synonym for disgruntled? :shrug:

You know, I feel Balkanized from so many of my fellow Americans and it's a damn shame we are where we are.

But like Mopaul up thread, I'm ready to roll up my sleeves and get to work.

I think it was Clinton who said, "There's nothing that's wrong with America that can't be fixed by what's right with America."

LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!

[KansDem]

126. I stand corrected...

Thanks for the clarification...
:hi:

[libertypirate]

104. If you want to understand a major facet of your fear....

Our fear... Do some homework on "The Franklin Cover-up"... The suppression of this story is at the heart of most this countries problems, the fact that the story has not brought down the Bush clan is enough to understand what we are up against.

We have to know the problems to fight them...

[LeftHander]

107. Great post nt

[Jose Diablo]

122. Civil unrest is part of the world bank's plan.

Read "Best democracy money can buy", Greg Pallast. Notice how the domestic security has been beefed-up, due too 9-11, uh huh, you bet. These guys are going by the play book for taking over countries. Worked in 3rd world coutries, why not here. Even trying to get Wolfowitz a front line seat for the party.

I don't think these guys really understand how violent Americans really are. Ain't nobody kills as well as Americans. Nobody. And they all ain't in the military, police or church goers. Nope.

Won't be long, and we can go all the way with that bitch.

Hey baby won't you take a chance,
Left my rubbers in my other pants.

Let's dance, let's dance

[solinvictus]

123. World Bank flunkies...

I agree, they don't realize how many hard Right and hard Left hate their asses and would love to see it come to blows. I read an old guard member of the racist right's praise for the Seattle anarchists in 1999. He's changed his views on race to a degree, but he believed the disruption of the 1999 WTO was the greatest act of patriotism since the Boston Tea Party. It says a lot about the World Bank, that they can arouse that much tangible hatred.