Why is it that the pro-life stance is tied to religion so tightly?

[kittenpants]

Is it simply drilled into them by their leadership, or is there something in the bible that references this? Where do they get this moral absolute, that life begins at conception?

[kittenpants]

1. kick n/t

[Proud2BAmurkin]

2. because people who love to control other people use religion to do it

nt

[solinvictus]

3. Somewhere in the Bible..

there's a verse about God knowing someone whilst they were in the womb. Of course, they want to ban abortion, but end all federal programs to assist the single mother. Go figure.

[lachattefolle]

6. Yep, that's used, but that particular passage refers to only one person

(a future prophet, I think).

[Yupster]

11. That was the future king David

and John the Baptist also kicked when brought into the precense of his cousin Jesus, though they were both still in their mothers' wombs.

[janx]

4. It has to do with particular religions.

I'm 47, and my mother told me a long time ago that different Christian religions had different definitions about what constitutes life.

[lachattefolle]

7. Part of Roe v. Wade refers to English common law and also the

teaching of the Catholic church that up until the end of the 19th century considered a fetus a living being at 40 days for a male and 80 days for a female. Now, how they could differentiate at that point without ultrasound is beyond me, but that's what the church used to preach.

[lachattefolle]

5. Beats me, you can find several passages in the Old Testament

where Jehovah commands the Israelites to smite every living being in such and such a town. I presume that would include pregnant women. But that's the religious right for you, pick and chose what they want to claim as god's word even while they're swearing every word in the bible needs to be taken literally.

[Az]

8. Identity

Where does it reside? Brain or soul? Religious explanations tend towards claims of identity coming from a soul. This is not tied to the brain necissarily.

The Christian belief system creates a notion of identity being seperate from the body and brain. In this way our survival instinct is redirected to preserving this concept of soul and the belief system associated with it.

Skeptical thought tends towards explanations of brains and neurons giving rise to identity. This is in stark opposition to the explanation provided by religious thought.

From these two positions the polls of the conflict are laid down. One percieves identity associated with the appearance of human form. The other percieves identity from a specific process occurring within the brain. There can be cases (as current events suggest) where these two perceptions are in opposition with each other.

[Floogeldy]

9. It stems from hostility towards sex out of wedlock

The right wing christian nuts think sex is evil, unless it is between a husband and wife intent on having children, and even then, it might be evil, too, because it could cause pleasure or something like that instead of suffering in the name of the lard.

[dsc]

10. There are a couple of passages

The most famous of them is the meeting of John the Baptist's mother and Jesus' mother where the babies knew each other in the womb. John the Baptist would have been around delivery while Jesus would have been just conceaved (a later passage makes clear that John the Baptist is older than Jesus by slightly less than a year).

[bemildred]

12. You can't tie it to reason now, can you?

The bible doesn't say much about feeding tubes, and it
doesn't get near this worked up about a bit of killing now
and then.

[seabeyond]

13. because without a dogma, blindly following another rule

in order for salvation, no thinking feeling person would be able to live life so black and white