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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:27 AM
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Is it true that Dems don't want to ask any more question on Iraq intel?
Edited on Sat Sep-13-03 10:45 AM by LittleApple81
don't want to ask any more questions about the "intelligence" that allowed Iraq to happen?
Anybody here has info on this?
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Dems Scrap Plans To Look Into Claims White House Manipulated Intel On Iraqi Threat
by Jason Leopold
September 13, 2003

Democrats in Congress have abandoned their efforts to investigate the White House's use of questionable intelligence information about Iraq's alleged stockpile of weapons of mass destruction, saying the issue has been "eclipsed" by President Bush's request for $87 billion from Congress to continue funding the war.

David Helfert, a spokesman for Congressman David Obey, D-Wisconsin, who criticized the White House for relying too heavily on murky intelligence to get support for the war, said Friday that Congressional Democrats would no longer pursue hearings on the intelligence matter.

"We're past that," Helfert said, referring to the intelligence issue. "Those questions were eclipsed by the supplemental request by President Bush for $87 billion" to fund the Iraq war. "Congress is focusing on asking questions about the $87 billion, what it will be used for and whether it's worth it. It would be a good characterization to say that the intelligence questions on Iraq and how the President came to believe that it had weapons of mass destruction are no longer an issue."

more...
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/leopold14.html
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:29 AM
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1. you might
want to change the title of your post

I think you're wrong about the site owner, and this may get you banned more han just have your post removed
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:31 AM
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2. Agreed...change the title and argue the merits...
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:46 AM
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7. Thanks to both of you. It was not intentional.
Changed the title.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:33 AM
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3. Jason Leopold is an excellent journalist.
Unfortunately, this looks quite, quite credible.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:38 AM
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4. I hope this is not true
they should hit him on ALL fronts ALL the time!!
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:40 AM
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5. Sad they gave up,
the public deserves more info. Never gonna get it, looks like.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:41 AM
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6. DNC/DLC business as usual. Hey there Graham.............
pass me the sugar.
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ChewToy Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:48 AM
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8. This says to me
that there are enough democrats who would also be embarassed by an investigation.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 04:45 PM
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25. Hi ChewToy!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:49 AM
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9. I want to see tribunals
and I think it could still happen. Only with a Dem in the White House.
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Warren Stuart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:57 AM
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10. Toothless, Spineless lapdog Democrats!
After the bashing the Republicans gave Clinton over nothing, these jerks will give up a substantial investigation just to talk? Oh ask tough questions, yeah right. Chink in the Armour? Who cares about chinks, when you a bunch of doormat Democrats leading the charge.

I have a suggestion for the DLC, as regards truth in advertising, why don't you all tatoo the word WELCOME on your foreheads. It will go real nice with your pink tutu's.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:59 AM
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11. WTF? This cannot be allowed to stand, if true.
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 11:10 AM
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12. Thanks for posting , I think
Had to take my blood pressure meds before responding.

No matter how you sugar coat it with " manipulate intel or questionable intelligence" it is still a LIE.

The most important decision a president makes is to send our troops into war. Our brave men and women were sent to war based on lies. A death sentence based on lies.

I can't get past this........why is the money more important than the lies?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 11:41 AM
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13. They wont shut Kucinich up or stop him from pushing his resolutions !
All our Bush and PNAC-enabling Dem Reps need to be repudiated NOW! What DINOs! How much more proof do we need?


6/3/2003
KUCINICH DEMANDS RELEASE OF INTELLIGENCE THAT LED TO WAR


Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich, leader of the opposition to the Iraq war in the U.S. House, is announcing at a noon news conference on Wednesday that he will use a Resolution of Inquiry to demand the release of the intelligence that led to the war in Iraq, and to Administration claims that Iraq had tons of biological and chemical weapons, delivery systems, and a 'reconstituted' nuclear program.

"This Administration led this nation into war based on lies," said Kucinich. "I think that this Congress, and the American people, have a right to know what information this Administration had, and how they justify their public comments. Now is the time for truth-telling."

A Resolution of Inquiry is a rarely used House procedure that Kucinich used successfully in March to get the Administration to release the 12,000 page weapons report that Iraq had submitted to the UN.


6/11/2003
"Mr. President, Where Was the Imminent Threat?"


Congressman Kucinich again took to the House floor today to question the White House on Iraq:

"Over the past year, the Bush Administration has made specific and unequivocal statements about the imminent threat posed by Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction -- repeatedly claiming they had intelligence showing Iraq had 25,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent, and over 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. So where are those vast stockpiles? Where was the imminent threat?

"At the State of the Union Address, the President said: '...Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.' Where are those vast stockpiles? Where was the imminent threat?

"Did this Administration deliberately mislead this nation into war telling us that there was imminent threat, when there was not?

"The resolution of inquiry now signed by 36 Members of Congress aims to find out the truth."

((My note: Joining Kucinich on the Resolution are Reps. S. Brown, J. Carson, Conyers, Cummings, Farr, Frank, Grijalva, Hinchey, Honda, Jackson-Lee, Jackson Jr., Tubbs Jones, Kaptur, Lee, J. Lewis, Maloney, McDermott, George Miller, Nadler, Owens, Rahall, Schakowsky, Serrano, Scott, Stark, Van Hollen, Waters, Watson, and Woosley) FIRE THE REST)


6/12/2003
Kucinich: White House Manipulated 2002 Election


Congressman Dennis Kucinich, leader of antiwar opposition in the House, continued to challenge the Bush Administration on the lead-up to war in Iraq, issuing a statement today:

"Last October, this Congress voted to give the President the authority to use force against Iraq to thwart an imminent threat from Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

"The Administration urged action against an imminent threat. So Congress voted, only weeks before the 2002 election. Some Democrats voted for it thinking there would be an opportunity to refocus on domestic issues. Instead national security and Iraq's so-called imminent threat became the divisive issue in the election. The question became: who was patriotic and who wasn't.

"The Administration capitalized on the fears of Americans. They misrepresented the nature of the Iraqi threat. They misled Congress. They misled the American people. By pushing for a quick vote before the election, they changed the election and manipulated the outcome.

"The Resolution of Inquiry will establish the truth once and for all."

Kucinich's Resolution of Inquiry in the House to force the Administration to turn over intelligence to back its claims on Iraq's WMDs, is now signed by 36 Congress members. As a privileged resolution, it must be voted on in Committee within 11 legislative days.


5/26/2003
Kucinich Challenges Bush Rhetoric on Iran


Dennis J. Kucinich continued his antiwar leadership in Congress by challenging the Bush administration on its dangerous stance toward Iran. As ranking Democrat on the Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations, Kucinich issued the following statement:

"The rhetoric and posturing by this Administration over Iran serves only to validate impressions in the region that the United States is empire building. It is disturbing that as our nation is just beginning to learn that it was misled in the build-up to war in Iraq, that this Administration is seeking to continue its dangerous policy in the region with an aggressive posture towards Iran... Now more than ever, it is critical that the United States work with our friends and allies in the Middle East to root out terrorists cells and implement a peaceful solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."


04/14/2003
"Kucinich Calls Administration's Rhetoric Towards Syria 'Reckless and Dangerous'


The Administrations rhetoric this weekend towards Syria is reckless and dangerous, and could further hurt the United States’ standing in the region and the world, Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH) stated today.

Kucinich, Ranking Member of the House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations, today issued the following statement:

“The rhetoric out of the Administration this weekend towards Syria is reckless and dangerous. Such threats only serve to further destabilize the region, fuel anti-American sentiment and isolate the United States from the international community.

“It appears that the Administration using the same rhetoric and political posturing that led to the unjustified war against Iraq. Our nation cannot afford this dangerous and aggressive foreign policy. On the heels of war with Iraq, the Administration’s posturing appears to be putting the United States on a path to war with Syria.

“Threatening action against Syria could help fuel speculation that the Administration is seeking to build an empire in the Middle East. Now more than ever the United States needs to work with the international community to repair damaged relations and to rebuilding of Iraq. The rhetoric out of this Administration is counterproductive towards this goal.

“With such threats, the Administration is taking our nation down a dangerous path. If the Administration continues with this rhetoric the United States risks more violence in the Middle East region, further isolation from the international community, and the continued sacrifice of our pressing domestic needs.


5/21/2003
Kucinich on the House Floor: "A War Based on Pretext"


During consideration of a Defense Authorization bill, Congressman Dennis Kucinich -- leader of anti-war opposition on Capitol Hill -- took to the House floor to again challenge the Bush Administration's deceptions on Iraq:

"This Administration led this nation into a war based on a pretext that Iraq was an imminent threat, which it was not. The Secretary of State presented pictures to the world he said were proof. Today, despite having total control in Iraq, none of the very serious claims that the Administration made to this Congress, to this nation, and to the world have been substantiated.

"Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Indeed, what was the basis for the war? We spend $400 billion for defense. Will we spend a minute to defend truth? The American people gave up their health care, education and veterans benefits to pay for this war. And for what? Answer the questions, Mr. President."



5/09/2003
Kucinich: Is the Administration Proving it is About Oil?


In the wake of news that the Bush administration is proposing a U.N. resolution "granting the United States broad control over Iraq's oil industry and revenue"(Washington Post, May 9), presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich -- ranking Democrat on the House Government Reform subcommittee on national security -- issued the following statement:

"Today's news once again raises questions about the Administration's true intentions in Iraq. For months the Administration has said the war was not about oil, but its actions tell a different story.

"If Iraqi oil is for the Iraqi people, the United Nations should manage the oil profits until a credible Iraqi government is installed. The United States should not control the Iraqi people or their resources, nor should the U.S. dictate where their resources go.

"This move by the Administration to manage Iraq's oil revenue will undermine the US's ability to reconstruct Iraq and further harm the United States's credibility in the world community."


04/01/2003
Kucinich Takes to The House Floor To Call For An End to The War


Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), who leads opposition to the War in Iraq within the House, issued the following statement on the House floor:

"Stop the war now. As Baghdad will be encircled, this is the time to get the UN back in to inspect Baghdad and the rest of Iraq for biological and chemical weapons. Our troops should not have to be the ones who will find out, in combat, whether Iraq has such weapons. Why put our troops at greater risk? We could get the United Nations inspectors back in.

"Stop the war now. Before we send our troops into house-to-house combat in Baghdad, a city of five million people. Before we ask our troops to take up the burden of shooting innocent civilians in the fog of war.

"Stop the war now. This war has been advanced on lie upon lie. Iraq was not responsible for 9/11. Iraq was not responsible for any role al-Qaeda may have had in 9/11. Iraq was not responsible for the anthrax attacks on this country. Iraq did not try to acquire nuclear weapons technology from Niger. This war is built on falsehood.

"Stop the war now. We are not defending America in Iraq. Iraq did not attack this nation. Iraq has no ability to attack this nation.
Each innocent civilian casualty represents a threat to America for years to come and will end up making our nation less safe. The seventy-five billion dollar supplemental needs to be challenged because each dime we spend on this war makes America less safe. Only international cooperation will help us meet the challenge of terrorism. After 9/11 all Americans remember we had the support and the sympathy of the world. Every nation was ready to be of assistance to the United States in meeting the challenge of terrorism. And yet, with this war, we have squandered the sympathy of the world. We have brought upon this nation the anger of the world. We need the cooperation of the world, to find the terrorists before they come to our shores.

"Stop this war now. Seventy-five billion dollars more for war. Three-quarters of a trillion dollars for tax cuts, but no money for veterans ' benefits. Money for war. No money for health care in America, but money for war. No money for social security, but money for war. We have money to blow up bridges over the Tigris and the Euphrates, but no money to build bridges in our own cities. We have money to ruin the health of the Iraqi children, but no money to repair the health of our own children and our educational programs.

"Stop this war now. It is wrong. It is illegal. It is unjust and it will come to no good for this country.

"Stop this war now. Show our wisdom and our humanity, to be able to stop it, to bring back the United Nations into the process. Rescue this moment. Rescue this nation from a war that is wrong, that is unjust, that is immoral.

"Stop this war now".

03/31/2003
Kucinich: President Continues to Mislead The Country About the War


Today, Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), who leads opposition in the House to the war in Iraq, issued the following statement:

"Today, President Bush said the following to Coast Guard personnel: Our victory will remove a sponsor of terror, armed with weapons of terror. Our victory will uphold the just demands of the United Nations and the civilized world."

"This statement is another example of rhetoric that the Administration is using to mislead the public in the war against Iraq. Iraq has not been proven to have weapons of mass destruction, by either the United Nations or the United States. Further, this statement falsely implies that the United Nations and 'the civilized world' sanctioned war in Iraq. It also incorrectly implies that the United Nations sanctioned regime change and the removal of Saddam Hussein."

"This Administration has consistently misled the public on the cost of war, the cause for war, the facts of war, and the support for war. It is time to end this war immediately and bring the troops home."

03/27/2003
This War is Wrong and Must End!


Today, at a press conference on Capitol Hill, Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), who leads opposition to the war in Iraq, issued the following statement:
"This Administration has never made its case for war against Iraq. It is an unjustified war, which the Administration continues to misrepresent and exaggerate. The most recent example is the Administration's characterization of international coalition support for this war."

"This morning, President Bush once again exaggerated the extent of support for the war stating that the coalition of countries supporting this war is larger than the 1991 Gulf War. What Bush failed to mention was that back in 1991, all of the 34 coalition members offered military force, by contributing troops on the ground, aircraft, ships or medics. "

"This war involves the troops of only the U.S., Britain, Australia, Poland and Albania. Not even the three members of the Security Council that support the war, Spain, Italy, and Bulgaria are committing military support."

"This Bush Administration has been adding coalition member to their list based on statements of “moral” support. As the Washington Post reported last week, if this type of criteria was used back in 1991, the size of the coalition would likely have topped 100 countries."

"Further, the total cost of the Gulf War to the United States was around $4 billion dollars. This time, the President has come to Congress requesting a $75 billion bill, all of which will be paid by U. S. taxpayers. Clearly, military and economic support from countries is far more important than statements of 'well-wishes'."

"This war must end now. It was unjust when it started last week, and is still unjust today. The U.S. should get out now and try to save the lives of American troops and Iraqi citizens. Most importantly, ending the war now and resuming weapons inspections could salvage world opinion of the United States, which has been deteriorating since the talk of war began. After all, the greatest threat to the United States at this time is terrorism, which is breeding from this war."

03/19/2003
Congressman Kucinich issued the following statement upon the American attack against Iraq:

"This is a sad day for America, the world community, and the people of Iraq. Tonight, I hope and pray for the safe return of our troops and the end to this unjustified war."
"President Bush has launched an unprovoked attack against another country. Iraq does not pose an imminent threat to the United States or any of its neighboring nations. Iraq was not responsible for the terrorist attacks of September 11. Tonight, President Bush has commanded U.S. forces to go to war in violation of American traditions of defensive war that have lasted since George Washington. This war is wrong; it violates the Constitution and international law."

9/7/2003
Kucinich Answers President Bush


Congressman Kucinich issued this statement in response to Bush's televised address from the White House: "Rather than acknowledging the failures of his policies, and the fact that Iraq had nothing to do with September 11, and that there were no weapons of mass destruction, the President this evening attempted to compound his blunders by deepening America's involvement in Iraq.

"He seems to forget that he attempted to drag the entire world into this using claims that had no basis in fact -- the same world that he now has to go back to lacking credibility and having squandered the good will that was there two years ago.

"The Bush Administration's arrogant occupation of Iraq has harmed the United States' position in the world community, caused the deaths of 289 American soldiers at last count, and diverted tens of billions of dollars from domestic needs. Now the President is asking for another $87 billion.

"We must allow the UN to take over peacekeeping operations in the country. The UN must take over management, accounting, and distribution to the Iraqi people of Iraq's oil profits. There must be no privatization of the Iraqi oil industry. The UN must handle the awarding of all contracts for the rebuilding of Iraq so that there can be no more sweetheart contracts for companies like Halliburton.

"The President has been unable to produce evidence that this war was fought over weapons of mass destruction. It is not too late for him to prove that it was not fought over oil. That can be done by returning control of the oil to the Iraqi people."


8/25/2003
U.N. Should Take Over Peace Keeping in Iraq


Congressman Kucinich issued the following statement on Iraq today:

"It is clear now that the United States is bogged down in an ongoing guerrilla war with almost daily casualties. The situation is one that the Administration did not plan for and is not adequately prepared to handle.

"Assertions by the President, and his Administration, that the war is over and that our mission was accomplished, like their claims about Iraq's 'vast stockpiles' of WMD's, are false and misleading. While this Administration was quick to send troops into harm's way, it has no exit strategy for removing US troops from the country.

"Negotiations for an exit must begin now. The UN must take over management, accounting and distribution to the Iraqi people of Iraq's oil profits. There must be no privatization of the Iraqi oil industry. The UN must handle the awarding of all contracts for the rebuilding of Iraq so that there can be no more sweetheart contracts for companies like Halliburton. Additionally, a transition from UN control to self-determined governing structure by and for the Iraqi people must be planned.

"It was wrong to go into Iraq. It is wrong to stay in Iraq. Let's support our troops by bringing them home."

7/28/2003
Kucinich Calls for U.N. to Replace U.S. In Iraq

In statements from his Congressional office and on the campaign trail, Kucinich continued today to advocate that U.N. peacekeeping forces replace U.S. troops in Iraq. His stance is in stark contrast to other Democratic candidates; Howard Dean, for example, supports sending additional U.S. troops to Iraq (Meet the Press, 6/22).

Kucinich said today: "This weekend, with the deaths of 5 US troops, we were once again reminded of the dangers facing US troops in what has become a quagmire. To date 243 U.S. troops have died in Iraq. It is time that the United States begins the process of withdrawing our troops, and allow a UN peacekeeping force to take over the reconstruction of Iraq.

"In their rush to war, the Administration failed to adequately prepare for the post-invasion period. Negotiations for an exit must begin now. An exit agreement with the United Nations must involve the US letting go of the contracting process.

"The UN must also take over management, accounting and distribution to the Iraqi people of Iraq's oil profits. Additionally, a transition from UN control to self- determined governing structure by and for the Iraqi people must be planned. Finally, the Administration, which unwisely ordered the bombing, must fund the reconstruction."

7/9/2003
Kucinich: Bush White House Manipulated Congress

Dennis Kucinich, leading opponent of Iraq war in the House, took to the floor again today to speak out against White House deception in the pre-war period, and to demand public hearings.

"More attention needs to be paid to false and misleading statements that preceded the vote on the Iraq Resolution in this House. Two days before the vote, on October 8, 2002, speaking in Cincinnati, the President spoke of his determination to attack Iraq: 'Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof - - the smoking gun - - that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud'.

"This chilling, apocalyptic statement was not based on clear evidence of peril, but was in fact based on falsehoods, hidden from public view by the office of the Vice President.

"Did the Vice President's office knowingly conceal information its own representative obtained that Iraq was in fact not attempting to purchase nuclear materials from Niger? Was the White House in possession of this same information prior to the President giving his shocking declaration in Cincinnati?

"There is no question that the President's statements we now know were false and misleading influenced the debate in this House and the decision to go to war. It is imperative we have open, public hearings to wash this stain from our national reputation."

More here: http://www.kucinich.us/statements.htm#060303
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angka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 01:46 PM
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21. fuck yes
it would appear that most of our democratic representatives have sold out this critical issue, out of fear or complicity. goddamn it we could bring bush DOWN over this. these spineless sell-out bastards.

thank god for kucinich!
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 11:55 AM
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14. Well, it appears PNAC and AIPAC/Likud have won this round.....
Richard Perle celebrated this news by saying, "Ah yes, we got them to break out freshly starched pink-tutus, and told them to shut their goddamn mouths, and quit asking questions. Now, call Sharon and tell him we will proceed as planned my little dumplings!"

:evilgrin:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 12:22 PM
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15. PNAC AIPAC LIKUD have won it all
What we need is for Progressive, Liberals, APN, Tikkun to start FIGHTING BACK. Unfortunately few seem to agree that rhetoric and rolling over are NOT considered fighting back!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 12:40 PM
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16. Maybe the DLC/DNC want to get past the whole legitimacy issue for the
war, because it also keeps their own failings in supporting it, up front and center. They have said as much...they just want to move on and put it all behind us.

You're getting sleepy....sleeeeeeepy....
I'm going to count to three. When I snap my fingers you won't remember a thing about how we got into the mess in Iraq...:crazy:

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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 12:55 PM
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17. My eyelids are heavy... NOT!!!
:grr:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 01:10 PM
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18. To wake everyone up
:kick:!
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 01:37 PM
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20. Screw em
Isn't it about time to give up the politics and DO THE RIGHT THING? WTF is this? Nobody will ever get elected if we let these guys continue because there will never be another election. Do they not see what is happening? Are they too insulated? Just sick and sad I am.
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Evanstondem Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 01:24 PM
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19. I'm Contacting My Congresswoman
Dealing with the $87 billion gorilla is important, but we need to keeping digging into the WMD intel coverup!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 01:48 PM
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22. Calmer - alternative response
Just read the article - here is what I see, and here is what I (calmly) suggest:

First that they were able to get some traction when the media helped. They didn't get far and were thwarted by the republicans.

Second, having been thwarted but knowing there are now cracks in the armor they are going after an angle that WILL have traction because even some of the republicans are stunned at the price tag. Look for massive attacks on this front (with media assistance - for whatever reason - look to the items in the past two days about questions about contracts questions about how much is nondiscresionary spending, etc.)

The problem - is that the Office of Special Operations IS a huge issue and continues to be one. So while I understand they are regrouping and why (and its the good guys regrouping - I don't think they have been "gotten to"), it is unfortunate.

A solution that might have an impact:
Lets find out which (if any) republicans were even moderately interested in the questions initially being pushed by the dems on the hill re: the Office of Special Operations.

Then - send well documented notes to the democratic leadership, and to dems on the committee that were pushing the initial effort. The theme to the Dems: While you may be pushing the Office of Special Ops (and Intel used for Iraqi war justification) to the back burner - do not drop it completely. Careful attention to current news says they are still active and they appear to be pushing for new initiatives and are likely using the same type of processes for "managing" intelligence. Please note the following articles:

(We have to find these - I am working from memory):

AP item debunking, point by point Powell's UN Speech (this was about 3 weeks ago - Sunday).

Other news item about neocon current meddling in the war on terror (us national security) efforts to push aggressive policies in Iran, Syria and North Korea.

News items from early in the war (no WMDs because they appear to have been moved to Syria... or to Iran) and current news items on Syria, and Iran.

Series of news items on North Korea and John Bolton that document the key negotiator being shoved out due to Bolton, Bolton's continued bellicose rhetoric that saw NKorea not go back to the table unless Bolton was not included, and yesterday's news item from a "high ranking administration official" (but no one else) claiming N Korea could Nuke deep into the US (I think that was the claim).

With these news items - push - that even if they put the investigations to the back burner - they need to keep the door open, and be ready to act if the administration pushes war rhetoric to a higher pitch as they did last fall with Iraq - and then they have to push for these hearings and push hard.

Maybe also include the item in the industry-newsletter (I think) for news editors that takes the industry to task over its kitglove coverage and stresses that the news industry needs to be more skeptical if/when WMDs are found.

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Or we could rant and rave and decide that they are all complicit.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 02:10 PM
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23. Key article #1
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16597

A Bigger, Badder Sequel to Iran-Contra
Jim Lobe, Inter Press Service
August 12, 2003
Viewed on September 13, 2003

The specter of the Iran-Contra affair is haunting Washington. Some of the people and countries are the same, and so are the methods -- particularly the pursuit by a network of well-placed individuals of a covert, parallel foreign policy that is at odds with official policy.

Boiled down to its essentials, the Iran-Contra affair was about a small group of officials based in the National Security Council (NSC) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that ran an "off-the-books" operation to secretly sell arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. The picture being painted by various insider sources in the media suggests a similar but far more ambitious scheme at work.


Taken collectively, what these officials describe and what is already on the public record suggests the existence of a disciplined network of zealous, like-minded individuals. Centered in Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith's office and around Richard Perle in the Defense Policy Board in the Pentagon, this exclusive group of officials operates under the aegis of Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney.

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It appears that certain elements in the Pentagon leadership, specifically Douglas Feith, are trying to sabotage sensitive talks between Teheran and the State Department to promote cooperation over al-Qaeda and other pressing issues affecting Afghanistan and Iraq. The Pentagon clique thinks Ledeen's old friend Ghorbanifar can help, according to Newsday, which reported Friday that two of Feith's senior aides – without notice to the other agencies – have held several meetings with the Iranian, whom the CIA has long considered "an intelligence fabricator and nuisance."
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The Pentagon, for its part, claims that it suspected senior Hussein officials of trying to make a run for it on a smuggling route. But an expose last month by the New Yorker suggests that the raid and arrests may have been part of a deliberate effort to inflame tensions with Damascus in an effort to put an end to the remarkably close level of cooperation between Syria, the CIA and the State Department in the campaign against al-Qaeda.
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Item Three: The rightwing Washington Times reported on Friday that certain "high-level circles within the administration" are hoping to persuade Chinese military officers to co-sponsor a coup to overthrow North Korean leader Kim Jong Il. While it is not clear whether concrete action has been taken, the paper noted that the Pentagon leadership disagrees strongly with the State Department's efforts to use diplomacy and the promise of a non-aggression pledge to persuade Kim to abandon his nuclear-weapons program.


Just before North Korea agreed to resume talks last week, Bolton delivered a blistering attack on Kim in what was seen by analysts here as a deliberate act of provocation.

READ THE ARTICLE -- MUCH MORE Stuff there.
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 02:35 PM
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24. Textbook example of the One Outrage Upstages Another technique
Government by ever-increasing outrage. The latest one pushes out the last and on and on we go. Never seen it so neatly demonstrated--not a theory any more: it works!
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:18 AM
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26. This needs a...
:kick:
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:24 AM
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27. Of course it's true...
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 09:25 AM by Q
...just as they don't want to ask questions about...

Election fraud & voter purges

Enron

Halliburton

Harken

Carlyle

Bechtel

9-11

War crimes in Iraq

- Their new political strategy is: don't rock the boat or offend the Little Dictator...else the big bad neocon media will say nasty things about you.

- It's beginning to look as if the Dems don't want to win.
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