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soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 09:02 AM
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The Bush Presidency will completely derail when
People start taking pride in the fact they didn't vote for him the last time. And I think that's beginning to happen
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 09:08 AM
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1. The wingnuts I work with have been silent as church mice...
when others have expressed their clear displeasure with the monkey.
Kinda takes me back to Nixon's supporters while the Watergate hearings were on TV. Republicans are the most fair-weather friends you could ever have.

And speaking of Republican friends, a friend of mine who voted for Bush in the last election just admitted to liking Dean in the debates and said, "It's time for a regime change in this country." I couldn't believe it.

The times, they are a changin'.
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 09:53 AM
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6. same here--
--not a peek from the 3 Repugs in the cubicles next to mine. Seems like only yesterday when they were bashing the French and calling for the annihilation of Arabs.

In contrast, in the past couple of weeks my cube's become a gathering place for the Bush detractors who are finally breaking their silence. This last week especially, after the $87 bil speech, my cube's been doing a very brisk Bush-bashing business!

I wonder how long the Repugs next door will keep their stupid mouths shut. But for the moment, they have nothing to say, whoopeeeee!

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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 01:00 PM
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16. Strength of convictions
I drink a lot of Perrier water, which I usually buy from the little grocery store near my home because it's cheaper there than at the four larger stores in town. Back when the war was starting, there were a couple of weeks where my little store didn't have any Perrier. When I asked if the Perrier man was sleeping on the job, the owner said he was boycotting France. I was like "Well, I guess I'll have to get my Perrier in town."

"I don't want you to do that," he said.

"It's okay," I said. "I don't want you to go against your conscience." But he did, and I've been buying my Perrier at his store ever since.

Now I don't know if he's a Republican, but I think I see the way to get a Republican to change his mind.

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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 11:48 AM
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13. The real proof is when the Republicans get their huge media machine
Edited on Sat Sep-13-03 11:49 AM by Oracle
going around Republican convention time (9-11 in New York) and the media faithfully recites all the lies the republicans will be spewing out...how George was so tough on the terrorist and what a American patriot he is and Blah, blah, etc. etc. and on and on...spending their 300 million dollars to get many moderate fence sitters ready to jump on the bush bandwagon...because George has great things planned for the next four years.

And the media will reporting it as gospel.

That's when those spinless weaseals at work will come out of the woodwork with their false pride and vote George 2004

Fucking Republican I despise and hate them all with all my passion!
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:19 PM
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27. You're right; 2004 election is gonna be UGLY
Rally the troops, everybody. Get your interparty squabblings over until the nomination. This is gonna be a seriously ugly fight.

As Krugman said, bad as these last two years have been, the next two are gonna be worse.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 09:09 AM
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2. I've been proud of that fact since the second I placed my ballot in the
optical scan vote counter....
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:00 AM
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8. unfortunately
you can't be sure which candidate the computer registered your vote for after it left the optical scanner.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 09:11 AM
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3. Lots of sheeple are still in the dark, and I'm still puzzled that
the chimp still has as much support as he does. Who could possibly be supporting him now except the 20% who will always support rightwing nuts and the 10% who think it's wrong to say anything bad about a sitting president? Are my numbers wrong?
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Sushi_lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 09:27 AM
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4. Big business

Watch Lou Dobbs. Sitting at that desk like the Pope of Big Business. He acts like everything's going great. Recovery right around the corner. Iraq is peachy. etc.

The networks still are afraid to change strategies from the "let's chase Fox's ratings" plan.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 01:57 PM
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17. Excellent point,
businesses and those who believe in the damn fascist dictatorships believe that Stumphead is their savior. I wonder if you look at the numbers if they weren't better off with Clinton? A good economy helps the rich more than the poor.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 09:43 AM
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5. I work in a small business in NE...
I am the only Dem, (but I have gotten two of the others I work with to change from R to I), and these people are very quiet. In fact, NO ONE in this small city of 21,000 is defending bush. For this to happen in Nebraska, of all places, progressives should be heartened, to say the least.

Out in the hinterlands, there are still a few defenders that I run into. The usual garbage, "Clinton lied", etc. But I always ask if Clinton's lie started wars and cost 278 American lives, and untold thousands of Afghan and Iraqi, mostly innocent, lives?

No answer, just the "GOP Glare"; the "you got me" look, and if you give me a few years, I'll think of something look, that idiots get when they have been told the truth, yet still refuse to believe.

Truth is a funny thing. Every one demands it, but when faced with it, most people run from it, or simply deny it. If you wanted the truth and seeked it ou, demanded it really, you should at least have the guts to look at it, even if you don't have the dignity to accept it.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 05:00 PM
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21. Your last paragraph
is beautiful; love it, thanks.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:21 AM
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31. Thank you...
:hi:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 09:56 AM
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7. so THATS the odd look I get from people
when I park my car and they read my anti Bush anti war bumper stickers...they get an "uncomfortable" look (one of my stickers has a dead soldier on it that says 'I died for GW Bush's re-election'

People look out the side of their eyes and twist their heads ever so slightly, as tho they are afraid to look, but look anyway, and you would think I had shown them something they dont want to see, or feel guilty about...
Perhaps thats it..a look of uncomfortable guilt..........
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:30 AM
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9. you NAILED it.
"Uncomfortable guilt". It reminds me of what happened immediately after Watergate; nobody would admit to voting for him.

Or some such.
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:47 AM
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10. Actually, you might not be looking at repukes but Dems!!
Honestly---I think that a lot of Dems are scared to death to "come out of the closet" and put bumper stickers on their car or acknowledge who they are in public. I think they are afraid of retalliation. I don't think any Dem would go up to a repuke decorated with rightwing slogans car and damage it. BUT, I think Dems are petrified of being vandalized or attacked if they acknowledge who they are. I don't see Dems getting violent with people; but I do see this repuke hate spew in action and am afraid of it. That is what we have come to in this country thanks to Rush Limbaugh and the garbage they allow on the airwaves.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 12:29 PM
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15. Repuke violence
My mom had a "Vote Democratic" sticker on her car and someone keyed the car along the side.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 03:02 PM
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18. I had an "Attack Iraq? No!" bumper sticker
Next day one of my tires was flat. This is in my condo parking lot!
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 04:03 PM
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20. I had the same sticker, but
all I got was a lousy key job. Fuck 'em. It's just paint. Now I've got a Dean sticker proudly on my bumper.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 03:46 PM
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19. Have you ever known anyone...
that had "Comfortable" guilt?

Guilt, is an emotion that is brought forth by conscience in action.
I have never known people that have been comfortable with guilt, those that have no guilt after realizing they've made a terrible mistake are not human, they have sunk lower, and become animals.
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 10:48 AM
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11. my brother a repug
called me last weekend and told me he went and registered as a Democrat. This is a shock, he's retired military and been a repug some 30 yrs. He absolutely hates *! He want to vote for Dean in primaries, I've heard several of my right wing friends say they are very unhappy with present administration. I feel the tide has turned, there is a quiet voice in the U.S. that will speak in 2004! I am hopeful.
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bandy Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 11:34 AM
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12. I, too, had a pleasent surprise
hubby went to lunch with 2 banking associates, one of which is a strict Baptist. He said it turned out to be a Bush bash and the Baptist said he would like to put his foot thru the TV and right up his butt everytime he sees *. I said I thought he is a repug and voted for *. Hubby said he is and he did! Music to my ears.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 12:17 PM
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14. Yeah
It must be more more diificult to tote the bumber stickers, "So glad I voted for Bush".

I detest those bumper stickers.
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Twenty3 Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 05:42 PM
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23. How about this oldie...
"Had Enough? Vote Republican!"

I'm still seeing plenty of these around. I always wonder if the driver of the vehicle is as embarrassed to be sporting that bumper sticker, as I am embarrassed for them.

Does anyone make a "Had Enough, Vote Democrat!" ??? I'd love to see one, identical in appearance to the republican version, with only the one word changed. hehe

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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 06:00 PM
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24. Hahaha!
"Had Enough? Vote Republican!"

Yes, I guess they were referring to peace and properity.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:04 PM
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25. Perhaps with Republican crossed out n/t
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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:36 PM
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29. It appears to me that they are removing their BUSH bumperstickers
in droves. They always used to anger me, and I don't see them anymore.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 08:32 PM
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30. You know
I thought I was the only one noticing that. I'm glad someone else validated what I thought was my imagination.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 05:11 PM
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22. The swing voters I work with
including my partner, have vocally issued their profound regret for voting for this guy.

The wingnuts are cowed silence here.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:14 PM
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26. Don't give up on the "sheeple" just yet
You know you're dead meat when the Accounting Clerk at the office sends you a forwarded email about what a butt-hole Bush is.

This is the same little gal who was wearing an American Flag shirt, was waving a little flag, and even put a flag scarf around her dog's neck not 6 months ago. Lots of people in the office were whipped up about PATRIOTISM recently.

So --- what do you think? Has the machinery started going into reverse?

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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:22 PM
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28. The screensavers have changed at work
Before the war, my Republican colleagues were trying to get a rise out of the Democrats by putting large screensavers of Bush on the reception desk monitor. We ignored them, until a few days into the war, when they put up a photo of John Wayne holding a shotgun. Then I put my foot down. They gave up on the reception desk computers but started with some of the computers in other rooms.

Anyway, I have not noticed any political screensavers in at least three weeks. I've also noticed that the Republicans don't talk about politics anymore.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:36 AM
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32. Those that thought that this admin...
was going to do something FOR them, have realized that the the admin has done things alright, but certainly not FOR them, but TO them!

They have found that shame is a powerful emotion, and that the truth will always win out, regardless of how much the want wish to think otherwise.

Truth may take a hundred years to surface, but it always does; there are far to many people out here in this world that truly do have a set of ethics that cannot be bought or broken, so the truth will always surface. It just takes time and effort.
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