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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 12:04 AM
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US threatens China while China holding billions in US debt.


From last Sunday’s Washington Times (of all places) via News Dissector and Prensa Latina:

Bush's Agencies Punch Gift Horse in the Mouth

COLLEGE STATION, Texas — The Bush administration has adopted a new counterintelligence strategy that calls for “attacking” foreign spy services and the spy components of terrorist groups before they can strike, a senior U.S. intelligence official said yesterday.
National Counterintelligence Executive Michelle Van Cleave said in a speech here that the past policy of waiting for intelligence threats to emerge “ceded the initiative to the adversary.”
“No longer will we wait until taking action,” Miss Van Cleave said during a conference hosted by the Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M University. “To meet the threat, U.S. counterintelligence needs to go on the offensive, which will require major but achievable changes in the way we do business.”

The Bushies seem to be going on the offensive in every aspect of their foreign policy. Van Cleave brandishes the old “threat of terrorism” boogie man, but this would be the policy they would follow if they were actually concerned with concealing their own actions from foreign governments. If they were really concerned with fighting terrorism, better ways they could do it would be by banning the sale of .50 calibre weapons, pursuing Halliburton for their unreported 3 month loss of nuclear material and adequately funding the police force.

Agencies attending the conference specifically referred to Russia and China. You really have to question the wisdom of making such threats against a country the US is currently as deeply beholden to as China:

Tim Bereznay, a senior FBI counterintelligence official, said Chinese intelligence activities are a major threat — specifically, Beijing’s covert targeting of U.S. weapons technology.
Counterintelligence against Chinese spying “is our main priority,” Mr. Bereznay.

<snip>

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. The US is in massive debt to China. The only reason the US is not in even greater debt is that the dollar investments of Asian banks are keeping interest rates down. China are well placed to pull the rug out from under the US economy any time they like. Until recently it hasn’t been in its interests to do so. The agencies’ comments coincide with that situation changing. William Pesek analysed the situation for Bloomberg on January 28th:

China also has been in the news as traders speculate that Asia’s No. 2 economy may pull the plug on dollar-denominated debt. Such a move by the second-biggest holder of U.S. Treasuries after Japan could send shockwaves through global markets.

Fan Gang’s Comments

Hence all the fuss over comments by Chinese economist Fan Gang. Fan isn’t a government official; he’s director of the state- owned National Economic Research Institute in Beijing. The connection seemed close enough for traders who found great relevance in Fan’s comment that China has lost faith in the dollar, to which its currency is pegged.

“The U.S. dollar is no longer, in our opinion is no longer, (seen) as a stable currency and is devaluating all the time, and that’s putting troubles all the time,'’ Fan said, speaking in English, at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “So the real issue is how to change the regime from a U.S. dollar pegging to a more manageable reference, say euros, yen, dollars — those kind of more diversified systems.'’

Paul Donovan, London-based senior global economist at UBS AG, seemed to speak for many traders and investors when he said: “This in fact is a scenario we consider to be highly likely.'’ Certainly more likely than, say, China letting the yuan trade freely.

Turning to the Euro

Again, Fan isn’t a Chinese policy maker, and it’s unclear how close he is to the economic decision-making process. Still, his views have a certain logic to them. Irony, too. The U.S. has been using its might to bully China into revaluing the yuan. Yet it seems it is U.S. weakness — a fragile dollar — that may be the catalyst.

<snip>

Confidence in the dollar wasn’t enhanced this week by President George W. Bush’s record budget deficit forecast of $427 billion for this fiscal year. It belied assurances that the White House will bring one of the world’s most worrisome economic imbalances under control.

All this has investors turning to the euro. Once Asian central banks do, the dollar’s woes will worsen. By buying vast amounts of Treasuries, Asian central banks are delaying the rise in U.S. yields that would typically accompany a falling currency. If Asians pull the plug, U.S. rates could skyrocket.

Reckoning Approaching?

Central banks here don’t buy U.S. debt out of altruism. Hoarding dollars is necessary to hold down currencies to boost Asian growth. Yet dumping dollars would result in stronger Asian currencies and, by extension, Asian gross domestic product.

<snip>

Still, the day of financial reckoning that investors fear may be getting closer.

<snip>

Asian central banks like China’s have become America’s bankers, financing its excesses through good times and bad. It’s now up to Asia to decide whether to extend the U.S.’s line of credit. The U.S. should be warned that the odds are moving less and less in its favor.


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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 12:07 AM
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1. Yeah, but they allow a know spy and illegal immigrant to stay here.
I'm of course referring to the ongoing YEI v Clint Curtis at bradblog.

Go figure...
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 12:11 AM
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2. I prefer to think of everything in the Washington Times....
... as a sort of coded communication to the shadowy operatives who've taken over our government.

I'm strappin' the tin-foil hat on tight, baby! :tinfoilhat: We've reached a point where the world actually makes more sense that way!

:D
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 12:15 AM
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3. Now, add the information in this article about our massive debt....
Edited on Fri Mar-11-05 12:16 AM by Media_Lies_Daily
...to China to the recent articles in the news that have discussed the following topics:

1. China has upped it's Defense Budget by almost 13% for 2005;

2. The Chinese legislature has passed into law a measure which pre-approves an invasion of Taiwan should such a measure be necessary;

3. China has asked Australia to review the military treaties it has with the US.

4. The Chinese military has agreed to modernize their military to produce a force that is capable of projecting it's power abroad...in other words, a carbon copy of the US military stance.


Anyone else find all of this more interesting than you can stand?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 01:27 AM
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8. 13% increase in their defense budget equates to, what, another
$3BB dollars? In terms of real spending on defense, I think we do 20X their spend....every year. I don't see where they can project when all they have is a coastal navy.

No doubt that Taiwan is a great pain to those that want to see them back in the fold. But Taiwan is not Hong Kong. They've got defense/offense capabilities that will more than bloody China's nose. I can't see any upside to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan....but plenty of downside.
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signmike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 12:35 AM
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4. I thought we were helping them to build 30 nuclear plants?
It was on an earlier post . . .

Does the left hand know what the left hand is doing?
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 12:40 AM
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5. Bush may well get us BLOWN OFF THE FUCKING MAP!!!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 12:45 AM
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6. I think this is so sad
and pathetic. Bush thinks he's king. *sigh* God help us please. :cry:
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 12:48 AM
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7. This is why I can't stand the Bible
Read Revelations. It's the goal of fundies: destroy the world, Jesus returns, it's all kosher.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 01:30 AM
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9. So why doesn't China dump dollars or revalue their Yuan?
Is it because their holdings in US currency would be see an immediate 30-40% devaluation? Looks to me like they have to keep dancing with the date that took them there....
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