Can we say that those who are sexually repressive are either violent

[KlatooBNikto]

or prone to violence? Any Freudians here at DU to enlighten me? I ask this question because while sevral friends at our house were discussing the sexuality of the girls at our children's high schools,one of our friends asked" How the hell are we going to become grandparents if we don't want our children to fuck?" Good question.I now pass the buck to more knowlegeable people about these matters.

[porphyrian]

1. Sexual repression causes frustration.

How an individual deals with that frustration differs per person. Some get violent, others plant a garden. Still others rape their daughters.

[Warpy]

2. And nearly all try to make their neighbors

just as miserable as they are.

[pnutchuck]

3. I think the thing to look for is whether or not they're torturing animals

kids find sexuality in different ways. Some have a strong sense of self and wait for the right moment. Some are insecure either from lack of strong family structure or either absence of male and female role models and can either be repressive or promiscuous. Then there are the children who have been abused or molested and can go either road when it comes to sex, but it's usually the extreme in either case.

Most psychs will tell you that if a person is going to be a serious violent criminal, it shows up early on and usually involves the torturing of animals. I think mainly because animals, in their minds, are innocent and helpless compared to themselves and gives them a certain amount of power satisfaction.

I'm no psychiatrist, but I have had my fair share of trauma in my life. However, I managed to survive it, and come out, not only, a better person but without misusing power or authority.

[AngryAmish]

4. Freud was wrong

Freudianism is a religion - it cannot be proved nor disproved. Psychiatry should be based on science.

[Johonny]

7. Freud

depended on Lamarkian evolution in biological systems and thus much of his writing was disproven in his own life time. Since he wrote about his fear of purely Darwinian biological evolution it's pretty safe to say he understood this would must likely be true.

[AutumnMist]

5. I Was Once A Hormone Driven High School Girl

Yes, it felt good. No, I didn't care much about what my parents said. I snuck out.....I did the things that the teenage Lolita's made movies about. BUT...and I mean a big BUT.....It could have been curbed without frustration. Sure I would have been much better if someone, I mean anyone talked to me about sex. And that sex could be about emotion. Any emotion outside of "boys are bad stay away" type of thing. I didn't realize until much later in life that making love and having sex were indeed different. I hope to pass that to my daughter. I can only hope that she doesn't think that a Bud Light means she is the only girl in the world that plays pool and deserves a beer at the same time. Hopefully she can get beyond that. I know she has to have her own heartbreaks. I do know that. But I do hope that who she is, is far more important than what she should be to get laid. Period. I guess I am old school.

[applegrove]

6. It is a fallacy that sociopaths are loners. People who like being

alone are not sexually repressed so much as 'unto themselves'.

As to kids who take 'purity pledges' as long as they are growing emotionally and getting to know themselves.. there is no big need for a girl to be dating. Indeed they have found that when girls are mixed with boys in high school 50% of the girls suffer from a drop in self-esteem. But at the same time they also say you need to have a certain number of relationships before you know who the right person is for you for the long term. I see nothing wrong with pledges during high-school. But I do not think it is the right thing to do in adulthood unless you love being alone by nature - in which case you will not suffer.

The dangerous ones are the ones who crave to see themselves reflected in power, adoration, veneration, etc... but are sexually inadequate. These monsters are extreme extroverts and do not have down time to download or process emotion because they have only shallow feelings if any at all (other than anger and powerlust & sadism). These monsters are often sexually inadequate (like Hitler) which is very different than someone who just loves to spend time alone. Psychopaths will have a cabal of people surrounding them to keep them company all the time and stroke their ego & help them coerce & commit crimes to keep from getting board. All the big psychopaths are extroverts and want some control over the people in their lives that usually pulling the wool over other people's eyes, winning at any cost, enforcing rules they themselves do not follow, targeting others, being in control of how everyone around them perceives things.

People who are highly sensitive and like to be alone for that reason (can pepper their day time with friends and family) but love to come home to an empty nest and a book and love every moment of it. These are people who have full emotional lives. They are mostly introverts and have a soul & emotions.The effort to be out and social or talking is too much to do it all the time. Go to the loner's forum on this board for more information if the concept is new to you.

But being young is about experimenting and learning about yourself. So as long as you are doing that - whatever that entails without hurting other people (or animals) as the end game - is fine. It is certainly not something the parents should have the final say in beyond a certain age.

This ignores many other cultures. That is another story. One I do not know.

[theboss]

8. Your friend said that?

That's creepier than anything I've heard a repressed person say.

[UdoKier]

9. Not necessarily.

One can be celibate and be cool as hell. It's more about prudishness and the desire to control others. Some people just aren't all that into sex but they don't begrudge others having it.

I just think it's the nonsensical religions "sin" notions about sex as well as the notion that it's "dirty" that are destructive, as well as the notion among men that for a man to be sensuous is feminine and therefore weak and therefore bad - that's the root of a lot of violence.

[applegrove]

10. I wholeheartedly agree. The ones who are troube are controllers.

[ultraist]

11. No. There is no link between sexual repression and violence

Violence is linked with anger and control. Just because someone is sexually repressed does not mean they will express any type of frustration in a violent manner. Oftentimes, sexual repression leads to conformity.

I don't agree with everything this psychoanalyst posits but I do agree with his supposition that sexual repression leads to compliance and obediance to authority:

http://www.ecologielibidinale.org/en/miel-repressionsexuelle-en.htm

"The suppression of the sexual activity of children and teenagers is the basic mechanism which produces the characterial structures adapted to political, ideological, economic control <... > The repression of natural sexuality in the child, particularly of the genitality, makes the child apprehensive, timid, obeying, apprehensive in front of the authority, 'nice', 'quiet'; it paralyses its rebellious tendencies, because the rebellion is associated with anguish; by inhibiting the sexual curiosity of the child, it causes a general confusion of its critical sense and of its mental faculties." Wilhelm Reich

[theboss]

12. By the way, Freud has been largely discredited by this point

And his theories had more to do with sexual envy than with sexual repression anyway.

[H2O Man]

13. Gandhi in particular

was prone to violent outbursts. (grin) No, it's not true; however, many -- perhaps most -- violent people have some sexual issues that are unresolved. Yoko Ono used to say that if she slept with Hitler, he would not have been so hateful. She also advocated that world leaders meet naked in public. Of course, some people have said some relatively untrue things about Freud, and may also insult Yoko. But I think she was right.