So what ever became of the money Bev Harris collected on DU?

[JohnnyCougar]

How much did she collect? Where did all her evidence go? Did she ever file any lawsuits? I haven't heard anything about her since December!

[Teaser]

1. Good thing I never gave her money.

nt

[JohnnyCougar]

3. Me neither.

I almost did...but then she started acting like the unprofessional ass that she is.

[Stephanie]

2. Good question

She raised tons of $$ on AAR too. How much, and where is it?

[Andy_Stephenson]

9. Well...

My guess is close to 3/4's of a million...But what do I know.

[JohnnyCougar]

11. Can't we find out when she files her taxes?

[Andy_Stephenson]

15. Non Profits don't file taxes...

Well perhaps they do. However, based on the performance of BBV not filing and paying my federal 941 and unemployment taxes. Don't hold your breath.

I am still waiting on my W4 forms. The Board of Directors says I have the records for that...but hmmm I never wrote a single paycheck...and I have everyone of my pay stubs to show taxes were being taken out. So instead of filing my taxes early and getting the much needed tax refund...I am having to file a complaint with the IRS over BBV.orgs failure to file 941 reports.

Additionally...if BBV.org had paid my unemployment taxes I most likely could be getting unemployment right now...and not have to depend solely on donations to make ends meet. But thats ok...Bev and the org is sitting on close to a million dollars right now. Money I hope she chokes on. Sorry...I am not feeling to friendly right now.

[JohnnyCougar]

17. That's fine...you deserve to be angry...Bev is a sociopathic witch.

There has got to be a way to find out how much she has raised, though. We should sue her so at least she has to lose the money due to court costs.

[Andy_Stephenson]

20. Oh...I know to the penny how much she raised.

But my attorney has advised me to keep the documents under wraps for the time being.

Edit: Plus Bev said if I disclosed them I would be in a lot of trouble...something about a cease and desist order. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA From the Queen of Cease and Desist

[Ladyhawk]

61. I'm for that. How can we do that? n/t

[ultraist]

25. That is total BS! She may get into a LOT of trouble over that

Did you file for umemployment?

[Andy_Stephenson]

26. Yes and was turned down...

That is part of the reason I am in such a pickle. Sick...unemployed...no insurance...hoping welfare kicks in and pays my outstanding medical bills so I can have the surgery that will save my life.

I was supposed to get insurance from BBV...but they never paid the premimums. SO here I sit literally, sick, sad, sorry, and sober.

[ultraist]

28. Damn, that sucks. I do hope you are feeling ok

That was awesome of Will Pitt to put up a donation link for you.

They are making you wait to have surgery until back medical bills are paid off?

[Andy_Stephenson]

30. Yes they are.

which as of today total about 13k. Buit all the bills are in so far now I know what I am expected to pay. Originally I thought it was around 10k...but the bills just kept coming. But as of today they are all in. I look at them and laugh. Can't get blood from a turnip...well maybe you can.

Edit: Will Pitt Rocks...so much so...I asked him to speak my eulogy if this thing kills me. Which I hope to God it does not.

[scarletlib]

35. I'm so sorry for your situation

You are a prime example of what is wrong with our medical system today. For those who say we can't have a single payer or "socialized" system because it will ration care I hate to break your bubble. Mr. Stephenson is a victim of rationing. We just don't call it that.

[Ladyhawk]

65. You are so correct.

Andy fell through the "safety net." Some safety net.

I've done a bit of falling through that net, too, and it hurts so damn bad. The world seems to be screaming, "No one cares about you." That's exactly what it feels like. :(

[Cadence]

81. Yep. I'm there right now. That's a really

good description of how that feels. :(

[ultraist]

37. jeez, that is so fucked up, they are making you pay back bills first

When I had an outstanding 16k in medical bills, they didn't refuse me surgery. But this was at a public hospital. My insurance fucked me over and was refusing to pay. I'm still battling with them. It's outfuckingrageous because they have no legal grounds to refuse payment but I have to go through this long drawn out greivance process to get what I paid premiums for.

That's really unethical to refuse someone necessary treatment. The public hospitals in our area can't do that.

I hope it gets straightened out for you, soon. The Cancer Society also has grants for surgery. I had a lumpectomy years ago and even though it was benign, they paid 2k towards my medical bills. At this time, I was a student, poor, had no insurance.

[Ladyhawk]

63. And that goddamn bankruptcy bill...can you declare bankruptcy soon?

You may have to.

Have you talked to an attorney about suing Bev personally?

[mopinko]

117. go over those bills with a fine toothed comb

make them send you itemized bills, then pick through them. mistakes all mysteriously favor THEM. sorta like voting machines.
scrape together whatever cash you can, then make them an offer to settle. they do not expect to get all their money from uninsured patients. if you are not up to this, maybe you know some hard ass sob who could make the call for you. but get this settled, so you can get on the road to recovery. holding you hostage this way is insane. in fact, i wonder if it is even legal.

take care andy. don't stop being a fighter now.

[SmokingJacket]

32. damn... I gave her mucho dinero too...

Wish I'd given it directly to you...

:cry:

[Andy_Stephenson]

33. Don't worry and don't cry

you had no idea...for that matter neither did I.

:shrug:

[Ladyhawk]

62. Once again, Andy. I am so pissed on your behalf. :( n/t

[Princess Turandot]

42. NFPs file a Federal Form 990..

which has full financial info as well as other disclosures.
There is probably a state filing requirement as well, but those are usually summary information.Unfortunately, they can get a very long extension period for filing.

Failure to pay payroll taxes is one of the few things that can land Directors in very hot water. No wonder their pointing their fingers at you. That stinks.

[ohio_liberal]

46. W4?

Do you mean W2? A W4 is a tax withholding form you fill out when you are first employed. If it's a W2 you're waiting for, they were legally required to mail them by Jan 31.

Edited to add that I'm flabbergasted BBV did not file or pay their quarterly federal tax returns. They won't be in business for long...

[Andy_Stephenson]

48. Your right

It is the W2 I have not gotten...

[ohtransplant]

98. Re the W-2

You can call the IRS (1-800-829-1040) and tell them you haven't received your W-2. You have to give them name, address,and ph # of the employer, plus estimated wages, and estimated federal tax withheld.

They will mail a request to the employer for the W-2. That gets you on the record. They could be penalized for not issuing them on time.

They will also mail you a copy of the request plus a form to use as a substitute W-2 for filing your 1040. You'll have to send back up documentation like your last pay stub also (if available).

[ohio_liberal]

100. From the sounds of it

They're going to be paying penalties out the butt for not filing quarterlies on time. We're talking 2%-15% for each infraction. And that's just for the 941s.

[ohtransplant]

101. Agreed

Not filing the returns comes with a big penalty. Then you have separate penalties for not making deposits as required and not paying the tax when due. (assuming these things weren't done correctly). All in addition to penalties for not issuing W-2s properly. Payroll taxes will sink an organization almost as fast as fooling with state sales taxes. Both can be lethal.

[ohio_liberal]

102. I'll be waiting for the accusations

that the IRS/CIA moles tried to take them down. ;)

[ohtransplant]

103. The IRS has a pretty thick skin

to accusations. They hear many of them every day.

Proof/Documentation is everything with them.

It reminds me of a quote from Emerson but I can't find it right now.
It goes something like this; (If I find it later, I'll edit.)

"Do not say things for what you do towers over you the while so I cannot hear what you say."

Translation; Actions speak louder than words.

[TryingToWarnYou]

105. Just to add to this....

If Im not mistaken, you can actually do a complete estimate of taxes owed and pay on that amount. In otherwords, you could file your return and get the money owed to you. If you can swing it, purchase a copy of Turbo Tax (should be $17-20) and it will literally walk you through the process, but take ohtransplant's advice FIRST. You can file online and have the money directly deposited to your account. Good luck to you and I hope things work out. As an aside, I follwed Bev's actions here with interest because I thought she was doing something good, but failing to pursue the legal action to challenge the electronic voting is just absurd. What the hell was she planning on doing? What happened to her? Is she still around? I hope you get everything you have coming.

[ohio_liberal]

108. I wouldn't recommend this

A taxpayer is supposed to attach a copy of the W2 to the fed and state returns. I suppose you could theoretically file a return with a final pay stub and it may or may not be accepted. Audits are no fun. And amending returns later is a hassle. All in all, I'd say the proper course of action is to lodge a complaint with the IRS ASAP and get some professional tax advice before filing anything.

P.S. to Andy,

I can get you free professional advice from a CPA anytime you want it.

[Ladyhawk]

60. Andy, that just makes my blood boil.

I can't believe she did that to you. OK, I can believe it, but it still makes my blood boil. God, I wish there was a legal way we could make her pay for what she's done, both to you and to all the people who gave money trying to save America. Instead we made her a rich bitch.

Is there any hope you can sic the IRS on her?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

111. 501 C3s file 990s can be tracked at

501 C3s file a 990 form.

It doesn't show everything, pretty much the numbers, not necessarily the names of the donors.

You can go to www.guidestar.org and register for free to search and look up the non-profit's tax form (990).

The most up to date you will see there is probably 2003 if that.

[Crunchy Frog]

4. I wonder what happened to the money

she collected through Randi Rhodes. I gave her money because Randi asked her listeners to. Ah well, I didn't give that much, and I guess it was a useful lesson. Who knows, maybe she'll end up doing something constructive with it.:shrug:

[walldude]

7. Randi ended up apologizing for

asking for money for her. I also sent a small amount and am more dissapointed that we got left hanging in the breeze again than I am about the money...

[ailsagirl]

80. Randi will raise holy hell when she hears about this

She's due back next week, I believe.

I know she has always liked Andy but was very ticked off and disappointed over Bev.

[Andy_Stephenson]

18. Well it might have gone for....

picking up the FOIA requests...Oh wait she never picked those up. It might have been for attorneys fees in the Theresa Lepore case...no...they volunteered. Um it might have gone for investigation...no that was done when RR started fund raising. Um I know...it went to pay part of the lawyers fees incured for QuiTam. Yes thats it.

[Crunchy Frog]

22. Well, at least it went for

beating a useful lesson into my head.:spank:

At any rate, I hope you're feeling better Andy.:hi:

[Andy_Stephenson]

24. I wish I were feeling better.

The waiting here is killing me.

I am ready for the surgery and for it to be over.

But alas...Bev FUCKED me over so bad...I have to wait for Welfare to approve me. Aint that some fucked up shit?

Sorry...I am ranting again.

[Crunchy Frog]

51. Rant as much as you like.

I'm really sorry about all the shit you've had to go through. I hope you can eventually get it sorted out, at least enough to be able to get your surgery.

Things just really suck sometimes. I'm sorry.:-(

[ohio_liberal]

99. Wait a sec...

They never picked up those thousands of FOIA documents?

[Andy_Stephenson]

109. No

they didn't

[ohio_liberal]

110. How much money did they cost?

Do you know?

[quinnox]

5. lol, in her pocket

What a con artist. There is a sucker born every minute.

[indianablue]

6. I have been wondering the same thing.

I am one not prone to being a dupe but I was so enraged by what happened during the last presidential election I wanted some answers so I donated but have yet to get any.


I will be hard pressed to ever do that again.

I still feel Ohio, Florida and New Mexico where Kerry victories. It is sad the USA can not have a free and fair election when Bush, Inc crows about them overseas, well their version of a free and fair election.

[MissWaverly]

31. I donated $50.00 to BBV/saw no results

remember how good we all felt about her finding the election tapes in the garbage bags, whatever became of that????

If I just knew that, I wouldn't felt like it was a waste, glad that I sent most of the recount money to the Greens.

[bjknm22]

8. many democrat sites raise $$$$

I fear many supposedly "Democratic" sites are using our active involvement in the new politics as aa way of subsidizing other "private" interests.

I have given at a few forums and have heard bad things afterards. one is a slightly conservative forum that played nice, then turned on the members and another is a Dem forum raising cash for their site. The administrators claimed poor.......needed help. the whole "we are a community" thing.

I want to know a site for a while before I give again. I have watched here for a long time and am thinking of donating....ONLY....to long standing sites like this one as opposed to the start ups.

As far as Bev goes..... I saw here panhandling at many sites...and I mean many.
I have only begun to post. I watch, mostly. this seems like a place to hang me hat.

:dunce:

[JohnnyCougar]

10. Welcome to DU!!

I am convinced you will consider this a trustworthy site!

[NYC]

13. Welcome to DU.

:hi:

The people at this site change, but essentially, DU remains the same. Contributing to DU would be contributing to the upkeep of the site itself, so it seems there is nothing hidden about how the money will be spent.

[bjknm22]

16. Thank you I feel welcome

But are you sure this is a site for Democrats? I hear such terrible things! :D

In all my months of stopping by it is impossible to tell you how many times I have read about this site elsewhere and come back to see if what is "said" out there is true.

[bjknm22]

19. it is all true!

Democrats and other like minded folks who fight back. it's about time.

Thanks for leading the way. It has been dark and cold out there for the last few months.
the coronation got me down a bit.

[immoderate]

29. Hi and welcome.

I've been here since the beginning. I trust the people who run this site.

As for DUers, expect anything.:bounce:

--IMM

[NYC]

34. What is the saying?

Bad publicity is better than no publicity?

[TryingToWarnYou]

106. Not just democrats...everyone

Greens, Independents, etc.

Welcome to DU!

[ultraist]

21. It also happens at a lot of "Republican" sites

Welcome! :hi:

[bjknm22]

27. Thank you.

This is a pleasure. I am so tired of hearing nothing when I turn on the tv news or seeing nothing when I open a newspaper.
Before I go I want to thank you guys and gals. this site is where I peek when I hear rumors and tid bits on the street.

The mainstream media is so ***damned wimpy. Either that or complicit.

In a perfect world the gallows would await our failed warriors in Washington. And this is coming from a nonviolent person.

thank you DU!
:)

[scarletlib]

40. welcome to DU

This is the best forum in town my friend.

[Kelvin Mace]

90. The spirit of Bev is alive and posting

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=340188&mesg_id=340188&page=

as Bailey77

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Kelvin Mace]

92. Would you do me a favor

and drop me a line?

[e-mail]

I have a question or two and your don't have PM status yet.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[ProfessorGAC]

97. Skinner Has Provided Full Accounting In The Past

Right here, on the site, in the forums, Skinner has given a accounting of how the funds collected are spent. As long as we trust the admins to admit how much really comes in, there is little to dispute that the money is well spent. If they drop $10 on the floor and find it later and buy lunch for themselves, there's really no harm done.

These guys here are raising money to run the site. Stick around a while and i think you'll see that improvements to the site, the operation of same, and quality of the server response, etc. make it obvious our donations are properly spent.
The Professor

[JanMichael]

12. A secret plan from the highest levels. Like the election, Ohio, just wait.

They're gonna give it to Bush like nothing you've ever seen!

The suspense is killing me.

[Lone Pawn]

14. It's why I've only ever donated to the DNC.

Can't trust anyone but the Democrats to work for the Democrats.

[Zynx]

23. Good question - Where are the people who were mad she was kicked?

Well?

Scum.

[Malva Zebrina]

36. I dunno

but when I tried to point out the absurdities many times here on DU they were on me like vultures. All at once. A whole organised team with very low post counts suddenly appeared.

They were "disgruntled Democrats" who were searching through garbage bags the result of which was--well nothing but they then tried to spin it into the greatest discovery ever in the quest to prove election fraud.

Who were those people?

Then, they were saying that Harris was under a lot of stress when it was becoming obvious she was nothing more than a circus clown. Then it morphed into something else--she really did do a lot of good but was under a lot of stress so in the end collapsed.

She did not do anything but sponge off the efforts of others and never delivered on any of her promises.

People--do not jump on any old bandwagon, no matter how much your dedication and devotion to any one person who posits themself as a champion for the cause and asks for money or for your signature, or who flirts with your very human sense of wanting to "support" those who seem so dedicated to you and the things you believe in, and who you may think is a saint or a saviour and give your hard earned money, or even your hard earned sense of the right thing to do. Develop some sense of critical analysis and critical reasoning and even some healthy skepticism.

[ultraist]

39. well said!

There are con artists everywhere and the net makes it easy for them to take in donations. I think we are less apt to question a "good Democratic" cause than some televangelist or Right Winger, but they come in all shapes and sizes.

I didn't donate to Bev Harris. I had my suspicions about her early on.

[seventythree]

113. I wish I hadn't -- I wish I had known what I learned here

before I did. IN the end, I kind of look at it as the most expensive book I ever read; since you could read her book on line, I never purchased it.

[jdj]

45. was she banned?

she's not listed in the member profiles anymore, unless she changed her name when we had that option.

[Ms. Clio]

67. Yes, she was 'stoned n/t

[ldf]

70. i was one of those people..

look. we were desperate for a lifeline.

bev came along and we wanted to believe her so bad that we became blind. she used some truths to trick us. it may have been a truth, but she was the trick.

i am so sorry i ever supported her, but i did.

it has surely opened my eyes. i will have a hard time trusting again. and one of the reasons i DID trust was because it was du.

du is still my link to sanity. if i didn't have du, i'm afraid i would just give up.

but a lot of us were wrong about bev.

my sincerest apologies for being taken by a con.

if i weren't an atheist, i'd say she should rot in hell for taking peoples desperation and using it for her own gain.

instead i just hope she rots. and she will, from the inside out.

[lonestarnot]

38. Well for that matter what ever became of Bev Harris? n/t

[SeveneightyWhoa]

41. Well I, for one, was duped.

Gave $30 -- and I'm Canadian!

Bev, could I have it back, since you didn't really use it or anything?

[elehhhhna]

43. If she was incorp. as a non-profit, the tax filings are public info, yes?

[jdj]

44. "for one"?

I can't remember if I donated or not, but I did support her here, although it seems like every revered DU'er who stood by her got screwed eventually.

Are there any people left here who defend her?

[ohio_liberal]

47. Well, there were some...

who were very vocal when she first got coughcoughbannedcoughcough. Most of them seem to have gone away though.

[Ladyhawk]

66. Bev, give my donation directly to Andy, please.

As if. :(

[Randi_Listener]

49. There were a shitload of PM's for me when I questioned her.

There were fucking threats and villification in my inbox.

I had no idea that Bev Harris was just another shitbird with an agenda.

[Hissyspit]

50. Can someone fill in all the background on this story? I have only got bits

and pieces over the months?

[Randi_Listener]

52. Basically, Bev siphoned hundreds of thousand of dollars

From the BBV site into her personal coffers.

[Ladyhawk]

58. Do we know this for sure?

Someone should be investigating her. I gave some money right after the election, money I couldn't afford to give. Luckily, as soon as some of our more respected members started bringing up her past (a past I didn't know about), I got suspicious.

Bev's treachery pretty much cooled my enthusiasm for election fraud investigations in general. I still think this should be looked into, but I no longer see election fraud as a "for sure" thing.

[TrustingDog]

53. for the other side of the story... if that's allowed.

No disrespect meant to either Andy or Bev but I thought a bit of rounding out of available info is in order.

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/74/3281.html?1108322589

[MissB]

54. No disrespect taken

Although frankly I have a helluva hard time believing anything she says at this point. :shrug: I'm not sure you're doing her any good trying to post her side of the story.

She pissed a lot of people off around here.

[TrustingDog]

55. I always thought there are two sides to a story... and then there's...

the truth.

on edit: which I nor most people here know, btw.

[Pastiche423]

56. Rounding out? ROUNDING OUT?

There is nothing to be rounded out. For over two years Bev came on this board and conned honest people that were concerned about the fucked up voting system in this country. Furthermore she slandered the names of many good activists.

She did nothing to help, she only harmed! She took hard earned money from people and produced nothing!

P. S. I am ecstatic that Andy is finally away from her. I missed him when she was using him.

[TrustingDog]

57. did you see bbv.org lately... there's still stuff happening...

Just because she's not on CNN every week blasting out the news doesn't mean nothing is being done - you Do understand that little thing called corporate media, don't you?

==

In mid-February, Black Box Voting, together with computer experts and videographers, under the supervision of appropriate officials, proved that a real Diebold system can be hacked.

This was not theoretical or a "potential" vulnerability. Votes were hacked on a real system in a real location using the actual setup used on Election Day, Nov. 2, 2004.
In October, Black Box Voting published an article on this Web site about remote access into the Diebold system. After examining the Diebold software and related internal e-mails, local security professionals were able to demonstrate a hack into a simulated system.


In February, we were allowed to try various hacking techniques into a real election system. To our surprise, the method used in our October simulation did not work.
However, another method did work. The hack that did work was unsophisticated enough that many high school students would be able to achieve it. This hack altered the election by 100,000 votes, leaving no trace at all in the central tabulator program. It did not appear in any audit log. The hack could have been executed in the November 2004 election by just one person.

[Pastiche423]

59. Hacking into BBVs

was proven over a year ago.

I repeat, she has done nothing for the thousands of DUers and others that sent her money.

Nothing!

[TrustingDog]

64. we know it has been proven, but do enough people know?

Evidence is piling up and is certainly worth something at some point in time when reality kicks in again. As I said before, it's not like Wolf Blitzer is going to cover this story, WE have to.

[Pastiche423]

68. "We" ain't Bev Harris

It is, of course, your prerogative to believe her bullshit.

I don't.

I choose to listen to and support the activists and lawmakers that truly are working on the voting fraud issue for the good of all.

[TrustingDog]

69. I don't think that Diebold is cheating, is bullshit. n/t

[Pastiche423]

72. What does that have to do w/Bev?

[TrustingDog]

73. I didn't know they were until Bev told me. n/t

edit: 4 schpelling.

[Pastiche423]

75. So sorry you learned about it so late

Bev did not discover the problem, btw.

[TrustingDog]

78. true.

But she went further with it than anyone else in the public media, the tiny minutes she was allowed.

It was the Johns Hopkins researchers that probably made this more credible than anytime before.

[Pastiche423]

82. Who told you she went further w/it?

Bev?

:eyes:

[TrustingDog]

83. only my opinion/perspective. shoot me.

and I spread it around as far as I could. that should count for something, no? Bev did that.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

112. hacking the vote shown to NC legislature Jan 7, 2005

January 7, 2005. Chuck Herrin showed the NC Legislative Committee on Electronic Voting how easy it is to change the votes without leaving any evidence.

Chuck Herrin's presentation:
(http://www.chuckherrin.com/GEMSDemo.pps)

The first part talks about what we do in business vs. what we do in e-voting, and the second part rips apart Diebold's vote tabulation software. Also see Chuck's website, www.chuckherrin.com .

[elare]

71. Since Bev admits on that page ...

... that Andy was a paid employee, could her own words not be used against her to force some action regarding the unremitted payroll deductions? (I'm Canadian, so I'm not fully aware of how the laws in the U.S. work)

[demodonkey]

79. Absolutely true. You hire an "employee", you pay into Unemployment.

And when you let an employee go, you don't publicly post said employee's "deficiencies" on the Home Page of your organization's web site.

You also don't go about the Internet months later posting public pontifications about your employer-employee relations -- especially about an employee under the heading of "The Latest Employee X Soap Opera".

As a person who has managed a non-profit, GRRRRRR, this makes me mad. :grr: As people who are working for Electoral Justice for Voters, we should also be standing for Economic Justice for Employees (and co-workers!)

Andy, you tell Will Pitt he's going to be holding that eulogy for quite a few decades; dammit, you have TWO things to fight now!

[JohnnyCougar]

85. Perhaps Andy should get a lawyer.

I see no reason not to sue the pants off her. She is clearly breaking the law if this is all true.

[elehhhhna]

96. DOL can probably get into this without a Lawyer,,,

Andy was apparently defrauded (p/r taxes, unemployment, probably SSI...)

Employees are not liable for Fed taxes that were withheld but not sent to the Fed. He (you, ANDY!) should be able to collect unemployment as well, if not from Bev than from his previous employers fund...and he's got a hell of a libel & prevention of gaining emplooyment suit based on Bev's posts. But this stuff takes time (&energy) to sort out, and he's busy being ill.

[ultraist]

88. I agree, posting that personal info about an employee is WAY out of line

Does she really think that is going to win people over?

[ultraist]

86. "No disrespect meant to Andy?" WTF?

That is so unprofessional of her to post that info about an employee on her website. It's no wonder people think she's nuts.

I wouldn't dream of posting info about one of my former employees, even if they screwed me over. (I'm not saying Andy did).

And she includes personal details about someone's affairs, like his sister's funeral is beyond unprofessional, it's trashy.

I'm glad I didn't donate to her org and I never will. I will be sure to spread the word via my email lists to donate elsewhere.

This type of thing makes all Democrats look bad.

[myrna minx]

107. You are so correct, I couldn't believe how unprofessional

AND trashy she was to post that slander about Andy on her homepage. We see through her BS, but it is unfortunate that Andy has to suffer from her actions. This is a lesson well learned, but it is a tragedy that it is at Andy's expense and the expense of all that donated to BBV. :-(

[ConsAreLiars]

74. I donated -- glad I did.

Bev and Andy and David and Roxanne and ParanoidPat(?) and DU and many others did (and still do) good work in helping many (most?) people understand the dangers to Democracy posed by these unverifiable voting systems.

Good people are rarely (never) perfect (a rather subjective assessment), but fortunately even imperfect people can contribute to the greater good. Even me and you. I've been around long enough to know that sometimes the folks who step forward to do the right thing at the right time can be fully human (flawed).

The saint or sinner dichotomy is bogus. I don't feel any need to make such judgments, but I am appreciative of the work accomplished.

(edit to add an and or two)

[Hissyspit]

76. Why did she get stoned specifically and when? How did I miss all this? n/t

[NightTrain]

77. I'm on her e-mail list.

Haven't heard anything from her in a couple of months, though.

[dv8]

84. Sounds like Bev is on the good side

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[ComerPerro]

87. Not always

Actually, that kind of thinking by the Reagan administration got us into a real mess.

[Kelvin Mace]

91. That is NEVER a good philosophy

and is the cornerstone of conservatism which has led to the deaths of probably a billion people in the last century.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Liberty Belle]

89. She was in San Diego a couple of weeks ago.

Bev conducted a couple of workshops teaching people how to audit the vote. She also gave a talk about election problems nationwide with some good information on how to fix the system, including some details I didn't know, even though I've read quite a bit on this topic.

Her best contribution locally, though, was to persuade the local Fox TV station to air footage of the chimpanzee she'd trained actually hacking into Diebold Gems central tabulators to change votes. The reporter said, "Could someone be monkeying with our votes?"

It really got the point across, especially when Bev noted that these are the same systems used here in San Diego. She presented one of her "Eagle" awards to Donna Frye (the mayoral write-in candidate of unbubbled ballots fame) and asked Donna (still on the City Council) to please give a live demonstration of vote-hacking to the Council. Donna promised to try and get this on the agenda.

Given that we have a brand new Registrar of Voters here who wants to recertify all those decertified Diebold paperless voting machines, Bev's visit was timely and helpful to people in San Diego. I can't speak for wrongs she may have done in the past to others, but she seems to have earned her pay in our neck of the woods.

[seventythree]

114. good, I don't feel so badly about

my donation, now. Thanks

[Califooyah Operative]

93. i didn't donate to her....

and I do think she's contributed to the cause,but if I had donated to her I would want to hold her accountable. It's completely appropriate to hold her accountable and to seek transperancy, especially if there's concern -which there is, of wrongdoing.

My donations are going to democracyforamerica, dnc, and democraticunderground. that's all.

[symbolman]

94. Well

we're part of the club now as well - the person we worked with, after we concieved of the project, lined up all the contacts all over the country, esp in Washington, paid every cent we had into the project, a majority of the film's production and enjoying her numerous trailers (even on her own site) that said, "Takebackthemedia.com PRESENTS") decided to slap her own copyright on OUR FILM (by OUR, I mean a 50/50% split) and run off with it..

She's showing it along with Bev Harris to more suckers and embarrassing us, and herself if she had any shame, and in my opinion it's outright theft..

SO you see, birds of a feather stick together..

we could use donations for legal help to get our film back, but I'd feel bad asking for help when Andy needs it to save his LIFE..

Maybe we could all form a group and go after the charlatans in our midst..

We've ALL been witnesses to each other being ripped off - might work -
Could call it TAKEBACKTHEMONEY.COM and host it a Takebackthemedia.com :)

Just keep the word out so that they sink themselves I guess..

I HATE being conned, and now it's happened more than ONCE to me,

didn't think I was that stupid.

Welcome to the Sucker Club, I guess,

Get Better Andy, if I had it in my power to raise money for you I would - might be time to think of others and try and help you, LIFE is so much more important than these creeps.

best to you all,

sym

[ananda]

95. WTF

So what the fuck happened? What's she up to now?

I gave BBV $50 and thought I was doing a good thing. Sheesh.

Sue

[seventythree]

115. Just a thought

assuming Ms. Harris has all the money folks are attributing to her, I believe you could find a lawyer who would take your case on contingency. I am also assuming s/he could find something more than a contract cause of action -- some sort of tort -- to get punitves to pay her/his salary.

[goodboy]

104. Wherever it is, it should go to Andy...she should pay him already...

[Tesibria]

116. this whole thread pi**es me off

... i fell for it too -- and got the email several weeks ago promising the charitable deduction letter.

... and because the call for "help" came when it did (after bonuses), i felt flush and dropped ... 3 zeros before the decimal.

... and -- I'm OK with not succeeding -- with trying, but just not getting there.

... I'm NOT ok with this tho. this really pi**es me off.

i'm going back to ACLU and NPR.
no more $$ for emergency projects.
i KNOW where my $ goes with ACLU and NPR.


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