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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:39 PM
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500,000 Lebanese rally in support of Syria<<PICS<<please keep kicked
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Q: The point driven home relentlessly by the Bush administration, and echoed in the U.S. press, is that Syria must get out of Lebanon. Why are 14 or 15,000 Syrian troops in Lebanon, and what do Lebanese in various communities think about their presence?

A: The remaining Syrian troops in Lebanon (out of a 45,000 contingent) were part of a peace keeping force that entered Lebanon at the REQUEST OF THE LEBANESE GOVERNMENT, and ended the civil war in Lebanon. They have since 1990 been gradually diminished by a series of withdrawals. These withdrawals were determined and conducted by joint Lebanese and Syrian authorities, as they fit the needs of both countries. A vociferous minority has always opposed the presence of Syrian forces (making much less of a deal when ISRAEL OCCUPIED parts of Lebanon.) Today, this minority has seen its ranks swell by the joining of a few opportunists who were until YESTERDAY the beneficiaries of Syrian "largesse." They have seen the wagons are circling, and are hoping to live for another day. These are the same warlords, sectarian barons and opportunists who lead us once before to ruin. They have aligned themselves with the sincere "boy scouts," exploiting their grief and concerns. Since day one of his presidency, President Assad has committed himself to withdrawing the troops from Lebanon, and we have since seen a series of withdrawals. The remaining contingent's withdrawal was very much on the table, but it's timing is determined by the leaderships in Beirut and Damascus.

Q: To some of us, it looks like the U.S. is looking for excuses to produce "regime change" in Damascus, and the presence of Syrian troops in Lebanon is just one such excuse. What do you think?

A: I hate to agree here, but the inexplicable and ever increasing animosity towards Syria, is leading many to believe that the "decision to harm" has been taken in the US Administration. It is the US that has suspended ALL SECURITY cooperation as it pertains to the Iraqi theater, even against the advice of the top American brass, preferring to up the tempo on Hezballah (also) to do Israel's bidding. I recall that ONLY TWO YEARS ago, President Chirac of France (from the pulpit of the Lebanese Parliament) lauded the Syrian presence a very positive element, and said that Syrian troops should withdraw only when a comprehensive peace settlement is reached in the area. Basically, you are right, Syrian troops in Lebanon are a multi pronged excuse.

http://beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2005/03/2261.shtml
http://beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2005/03/2271.shtml
http://beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2005/03/2263.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4329201.stm
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050308/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_syria
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-03-07-lebanon-syria-shiites_x.htm

BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) - Nearly 500,000 pro-Syrian protesters waved flags and chanted anti-American slogans in a central Beirut square Tuesday, answering a nationwide call by the militant Shiite Muslim Hezbollah group for a demonstration to counter weeks of massive rallies demanding Syrian forces leave Lebanon.

Organizers handed out Lebanese flags and directed the men and women to separate sections of the square. Loudspeakers blared militant songs urging resistance to foreign interference. Demonstrators held up pictures of Syrian President Bashar Assad and signs saying, "Syria & Lebanon brothers forever."

Other placards read: "America is the source of terrorism"; "All our disasters are from America"; "No to American-Zionist intervention; Yes to Lebanese-Syrian brotherhood."
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:42 PM
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1. kick
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:45 PM
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2. another kick
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:46 PM
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3. If they want Syria, they can have them.
It's not our place to impose. Bear in mind 500,000 is a huge number in Lebanon. It would be like 45,000,000 here.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:56 PM
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4. Exactly n/t
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:04 PM
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5. The US doesn't care if it's not our place, they are looking for an excuse
Doncha think? I don't really fully understand what's happening with this, but it's seems to be pretty scary. :scared:
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:14 PM
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6. Pretty piss-poor cause to hang your hat on, don't ya think?...
...Syria being ruled by an hereditary dictatorship, and all...
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:19 PM
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8. So when Shrub invades Syria, I guess T Town Jake will blindly support it?
:eyes:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 07:21 PM
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15. That would be up to the people of Lebanon to decide, wouldn't it.
Just because you think it would be a "Pretty piss-poor cause to hang your hat on" doesn't mean they do, difficult as that must be for you to believe.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 04:40 PM
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31. Damn those people and their wishes!
We must mantain the Fukyamaite intellectual hegemony of liberal corporatocracy at all costs! Down with the people, especially the bearded ones, except those pretty girls with their cedar tree t-shirts who will do anything to appear on our 'Middle East's next Supermodel' show once it starts shooting in Free Arabia circa 2015!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:17 PM
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7. Boy George wanna look good but got shit all over his face
And he smells of death too....
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:21 PM
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9. Kicked and nominated
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 05:23 PM by paineinthearse
NPR had some coverage, but up-played the Hezbolah terrorist angle. Typical.

I'm a bit fuzzy on the history of Lebanon. When did it first become a sovereign state and what were the circumstances?
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:21 PM
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10. thanks n/t
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 03:59 PM
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24. Here's a good article about Hezbollah
kind of long article, but I learned a lot


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GC10Ak02.html


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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:22 PM
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11. Hezbollah was always going to be the issue
They have the most to lose if Syria pulls out. Oh well, this just means it's going to be a lot more difficult.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 06:35 PM
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12. kick
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 06:46 PM
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13. kick
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 07:21 PM
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14. wow
Ya'll .. those pictures are awesome!

I saw live camera footage on BBC World, and it really was hundreds of thousands, AND they were peaceful.

(Yes, I suffered through Katty Kay's annoying smirk to watch BBC World today. I usually wait till Friday, when she's off.)

Sue
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:19 PM
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16. Looks like a lot of Lebanese don't want American "liberation".
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:47 PM
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22. it doesn't matter! we'll make them a "democracy" whether the people want
it or not!
and that's final!
--Chimperor George II
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:21 PM
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17. I'm soooo confuzed....who are the good guys?
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 12:57 AM
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18. kick n/t
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 01:18 AM
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19. Hey, Little Boots in the Monkey Palace, can you read???
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 01:55 AM
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20. Holy Allah
that's a lot of people!
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:43 PM
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21. kick
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 03:52 PM
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23. kick
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 04:06 PM
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25. kick
:kick:
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Jesus Saves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 04:11 PM
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26. Personally I liked the other demonstrators better
I think they represent the future of Lebanon.

I don't want us to invade, or anything.

But the other protesters are the vanguard.

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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 04:34 PM
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28. As a Marxist I know once said
"Down with the people!"
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Jesus Saves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 04:37 PM
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30. No up with the people
One side IMO represents the future, the other the past.

That's my opinion.

My dislike of the Bush Administration doesn't mean that I have to side with every anti-US protest, every group that is opposed to his policies.

The enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 04:41 PM
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32. Funny how the vanguard always represents the West's interests
wouldn't you say?

Welcome to DU! :toast:
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Jesus Saves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 04:42 PM
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33. "always"
I never said that.

Thanks for the welcome. :toast:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 04:22 PM
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27. Hey, wait a doggone minute - I thought FREEDOM was on the march......nt
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 04:35 PM
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29. I'll kick it gladly
kickety kickety kickety kick!
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:38 PM
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34. Kick n/t
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