"Kansas Christians Mobilizing on Moral Issues"

[Bluebear]

..... Observers say religious ideology has helped keep Kansas a Republican stronghold, despite the fact that much of the state is rural and populated by working- and middle-class families, the exact demographic Democrats say are hurt the most by Republican fiscal policies.

A key concern for the Christian groups is next month's vote on a constitutional amendment that would not only ban same-sex marriages -- already prohibited by Kansas law -- but also prohibit any relationship other than a married man and woman from receiving benefits associated with marriage, such as shared health insurance.

Conservatives are also making inroads on abortion issues. State Attorney General Phill Kline, a Republican, has demanded the private medical records of dozens of Kansas women who have had late-term abortions, which are restricted but legal. Abortion rights groups called it a witch-hunt designed to intimidate women and doctors but Kline, who leads the national Republican attorneys general association, says he is seeking evidence of possible crimes.

Kansas conservatives are also busy lobbying for changes in science instruction about evolution, which Christian groups say runs counter to Biblical teachings about the origin of life. Kline has weighed in there too, telling Kansas Board of Education members they can place stickers on textbooks that read: "Evolution is a theory, not a fact."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050306/us_nm/life_kansas_dc_1

[Ezlivin]

1. Like hunger and homelessness?

Those seem to be pretty damned big moral issues to me.

[Bluebear]

2. No, sorry, people suffering from those are already born. nt

[Catt03]

3. What's the Matter With Kansas?

[Malva Zebrina]

4. I have never been to Kansas

and have no desire to ever go there.

[Jacobin]

5. I won't feel safe until they outlaw Dildos in Kansas

Alabama is in the moral lead on this blight against Christian women.

When will Kansas stamp out the evil vibrating orgasmatrons peddled by those heathen purveyors of sex?

Christian americans want to know!

[beam me up scottie]

8. But I swear mine is for EDUCATIONAL purposes!!!!

Really!!!
:evilgrin:

[GiovanniC]

9. Mine is For Law Enforcement Purposes... There's an Exemption For That

And if you want to know how a dildo can be used for law enforcement, why don't you go break the law and find out? Do you feel lucky, punk? Well... do ya?

[mongo]

14. Are you sure you are not suffering from "hysteria"?

A common medical problem treated by physicians until 1930. Vibrators were originally marketed to Drs. to alleviate the hand cramps associated with manual stimulation.

[beam me up scottie]

22. Yes! That's exactly what it's for.

Hand cramps.
I have to carry one at all times, never know when I'll get a "hand cramp".

[Jacobin]

18. Off to the Gulag with you!!

:evilgrin:

I'm thinking of writing these bozos and asking them to have their Fundie State Congresscritters introduce such a bill. For the penalty phase, there will be no fine----just a court ordered CLITORECTOMY!!!

That'll fix them heathens.

[beam me up scottie]

25. Can I bring my "hand-cramp fixer" with me?

Kind of reminds me of the Chris Deburgh song "Patricia the Stripper"

[atommom]

31. Only if you can convince them it's really a torture device.

[Jacobin]

32. Just make sure its a plastic one, so it'll go thru the metal detector

I hear there is a nice plastic unit called a 'rabbit'. YOu could also claim its a pet, if they catch you with it.

Yours in Christ

Jacobin

[beam me up scottie]

37. Lucky for you gentlemen, you can do product tests like this one:

http://www.reachm.com/amstreet/archives/2005/03/04/love-republican-style/

I love the General.

[Jacobin]

39. Those of course, will remain legal

The rubber dolls are NOT heathen vibrating dildos. They are more like a body pillow to comfort single men before they find their virgin christian wife and marry her.

The comments on that site were obviously made up by some librul pervert and I'm contacting Attorney General Gonzales to have the site removed.

Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Yours in Christ,

Jacobin

[beam me up scottie]

40. Yes, I'm sure that the AG will have them all sent

to a nice prison in Pakistan to be "rehabilitated" .

[pstokely]

42. I think they are already outlawed there

nt

[Jacobin]

44. Thank goodness

I'm hoping they aren't being smuggled across the border from another state.

Perhaps they could do car searches along the interstate, require that all Dildos have a little electronic tracking device? So we wouldn't have to stop ALL motorists. Just the perverts libruls

[GiovanniC]

6. What Possible Crimes is Kline Seeking Evidence Of?

That's what I want to know.

These women all had abortions that are legal medical procedures. There's no reason for the government to poke around in their medical records without any kind of probable cause that any kind of crime had been committed. They are not constitutionally entitled to go on a fishing expedition through the medical records of these women.

[beam me up scottie]

11. Something about minors and statutory rape.

He needs to prosecute the imaginary adult rapists.
Kudos to the medical professionals in Kansas that are standing their ground and protecting the patients rights.

[GiovanniC]

16. What Logical Leap Did He Make

in correlating late-term abortions to statutory rape?

If he wants to prove and prosecute rape/incest/molestation cases (a worthy cause, I think most would agree), then he needs to obtain evidence of such LEGALLY.

[beam me up scottie]

20. But this is how they chip away at Roe V Wade.

They keep at it until they get a sympathetic judge, then hope it goes to the SC.
If this happens and I were a medical records clerk, I would ACCIDENTALLY destroy all the records in question. Oops, so sorry.
And he can accomplish that while showing how concerned he is about protecting the helpless victims.
Get ready to fight dirty people, I think we're going to have to.

[atommom]

21. I'm not sure "logic" had any part in it at all. He just knows that

going after abortion rights (especially late-term abortions) will please his RW base. Seizing records where there's no evidence of crime is a lousy precedent to set.

[bunkerbuster1]

48. Actually, it's a great precedent to set...

if the idea is to discourage anyone from having a medical procedure that might save their life.

Phuck Phill.

[atommom]

12. He says he's looking for evidence of criminal underage sex ... incest,

rape, etc. Clinics are already required to report that, and there's no reason to target late-term abortions for scrutiny, if that's the real concern. I think he's gathering ammunition for an attack on abortion rights.

[ComerPerro]

15. Hes planning on running for governor

So he is doing this to lock up the fundie support.

[BOSSHOG]

19. That would be the last thing christian conservatives in Mississippi

would want. Some nosy attorney general snooping around about teen pregnancy and incest. My, my, my bubba where might that investigation lead? Right to the Trailor Park? Now if he would only throw in spousal abuse, he'd have a red state trifecta.

[hatrack]

24. To say nothing of separate criminal dockets in such cases

In cases of child rape, incest, statutory rape, the logical place to begin the search would (of course) be in police records, if such crimes had taken place.

But no, Philllllllllllll just has to park his nose in abortion records, so as to establish a precedent which will destroy doctor-patient confidentiality in Kansas.

[beam me up scottie]

27. Exactly.

All part of the plan.

[Democrats_win]

7. In KS, you can't ride a giant surfboard so, ride the moral tide. yahoo!

[atommom]

13. Curiously, the moral tide is getting really brown and stinky.

[atommom]

10. Once again, my version of "moral" is the polar opposite of Kline's.

He's been meddling with the BOE's debate on science education. He violated the Kansas Open Meetings Act by meeting privately with BOE conservatives (many of whom have contributed money to him). I think the abortion records issue is another attempt to get attention, money, and power from religious conservatives. Whether he runs for governor or not, he's clearly planning for the future.

"He's throwing raw, red meat to his political base," said Caroline McKnight, executive director of the Mainstream Coalition, a Johnson County group that frequently battles conservatives like Kline. "He's obviously seeking a higher public profile."
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/11061226.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

It's a pity the religious conservatives have gained so much power here. The Democratic party seems to be waking up a little, but needs to get more organized to fight back. We can't let the RW frame every issue as "religious" and "moral." Especially when the legislation they'd like to pass would hurt many innocent people.

[ComerPerro]

17. I would be fine with those stickers,if I can put a sticker on Bibles that

says "Although this book claims to be the word of God, not a word of this has ever been shown to be true."

[Chipper Chat]

23. They should build a wall around Kansas

and not let anyone in or out.

[atommom]

26. No, no, no. Remember, some of us are still trying to turn the

damn place around!

[beam me up scottie]

28. Good for you! I admire your fortitude.

I live in a red state and I've given up on trying to fix generations of ignorance and intolerance. I'm planning on getting out while the getting's good.
(before I really DO end up in the Gulag)

[aka-chmeee]

29. The locals here might agree.....

But they would be putting up the fence to keep everyone else out!
I've been to a lot of states which, though the citizens appear to know how to vote correctly, are not a fit place to live imho. As a young man, I couldn't wait to leave Kansas; after seeing some of the alternatives, I couldn't wait to get back. :hippie:

[MuseRider]

45. aka-chmeee

:hi: :)

I have traveled enough to know that this is where I belong too.

[beyurslf]

35. Hey there are some Dems here ya know :)

[RobertSeattle]

30. Popped into my head when I read your subject

"KC and the Homosexual Ban"

[Bluebear]

33. It's good. It's good ! :)

[atommom]

34. For some reason I keep picturing The Village People...

:D

[beyurslf]

36. And by "private medical record" he also means their sexual

histories.

[ck4829]

38. These aren't moral issues

They aren't.

When will they stop lying?! When?!

When I have children, I want them to be taught about evolution, not some Pseudo-Scientific theories.

Why are they making sure certain groups of people can't receive shared health insurance? That's not moral. Stopping people from receiving health benefits is EVIL!

Another thing to add to my growing list of prayers this week:

"Please God, please be merciful towards the RW'ers who lie and say that restricing ideas and bigotry are moral values."

[Tux]

41. WTF?!

Kansas conservatives are also busy lobbying for changes in science instruction about evolution, which Christian groups say runs counter to Biblical teachings about the origin of life.

Red staters kill me with their lack of education. Evolution assumes that life exists for evolution to occur. What is wrong with Christians? Can't they read anything that isn't in Middle English? I say teach evolution, big bang, etc and let parents and ministers teach religion on Sundays at political rallies they call church.

[Doctor_J]

43. Like executung children?

Like male prostitues getting classified documents from the WH? Like white supremicists executing judges? Like the US leading the industrialized world in infant mortality?

Selective morals.

[Yosie]

46. Time for Christians To Take Back Jesus Christ

from the so-called, self-anointed, Holier-Than-Thou Christians. These Dobson-Roberts-Falwell-Kline Christians would be the first ones to stone Jesus Christ.

The way to "Put Christ Back In Christmas" is to take Christ from His kidnappers --- James Dobson, Phil Kline, Pat Roberts, and Jerry Falwell.

[phoebe]

47. Let's see what Atty Gen. Phill Kline is hiding..

from a 2002 Topeka Capital-Journal article

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/070802/leg_kline1.shtml

snip

Kline refused to provide The Topeka Capital-Journal with copies of his income tax return, college academic records and medical information, saying he didn't think voters considered it important to see those documents.

snip

Adkins said Kline wasn't qualified to be attorney general because he had allowed his law license to lapse three times since being admitted to the bar in 1987. Kline responded that he chose to leave the practice of law, as many have done, and gained business experience that would make him a more well-rounded attorney general. He also pointed out that the state had mildly disciplined Adkins for an ethics violation.


Went to work for Biocore..helped expand the California prison system..quite an interesting article all in all..

[beam me up scottie]

49. BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

snip
"Kline said his grandfather Orvan Monroe Shirley was a preacher who also wrestled professionally as "The Masked Marvel."
snip
Can someone help me find pictures, PLEASE?

[sendero]

50. As usual...

... the "Christians" are mobilizing about the issues they care about, and ignoring the ones Jesus cared about.

[tjwash]

51. God Guns Gays. These people voted on these hot button issues.

Meanwhile the very people they voted for, are destroying their livelihoods by cutting farm aid, crop subsidies, importing sugar and grain from down south, etcetera, etcetera.

Amazing. They don't see how they have been had, they continue to beat the same dead horses, and don't even look around to see what is happening to them...

[Ilsa]

52. Seeking evidence of possible crimes? Don't they need

a reason for doing that? He might as well have said, "Oh, just because I want to." Where's the probable cause?

[atommom]

53. He doesn't have one. "Because I want to," IS the reason.

[autorank]

54. Wow, this will really help them attract high-tech/information companies.

We are witnessing the third worldization of America. States like KA are just dumb as rocks, collectively, when they do this sort of thing. The last KA Governor, a Republican, abolished the state school board when they tried to institute creationism (this was a few years ago) because it would kill new business locating there. Now this!

This third worldization is voluntary and aggressively so.

This is "what's the matter with Kansas" and it's self inflicted.