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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 06:51 PM
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allegations of US mltry torture deaths said "ridiculous" are TRUE
Edited on Thu Sep-11-03 06:55 PM by protect freedom impe
READ THIS FIRST. IT IS WRITTEN BEFORE THE PENTAGON ADMITS
IT KILLED 2 PRISONERS WHILE INTEROGATING THEM.

THERE HAS NOT BEEN A PUBLIC RELEASE OF FURTHER INFORMATION
AFTER THE MILITARY INVESTIGATION WAS TO BE COMPLETED

..big surprise <sarcasm>


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Thursday, 6 March, 2003, 13:25 GMT

Prisoners 'killed' at US base

Two Afghan prisoners were killed while in US custody at their base at Bagram, a military coroner has concluded.
The report said "blunt force trauma" had contributed to the deaths.
The detainees had spent about a week in the detention facility when they died last December.
However, US spokesman Colonel Roger King told BBC News Online the pathologists' verdict was not final - a military investigation had been launched and was due to be completed later this month.

There are hundreds of former Taleban and al-Qaeda prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba and in various overseas facilities.
Last month, human rights groups accused the US Government of subjecting the prisoners to physical abuse leading to a number of deaths and attempted suicides in custody.

Washington described the allegations of torture as "ridiculous".

The first
The US spokesman at Bagram said the two men who died there had been under allied custody for about 10 days altogether.
The first man died on 3 December after a blood clot in his lungs, and the second died a week later after developing blood clots as well as suffering a heart attack.

.......Torture allegations
Specific allegations of prisoner torture were first published in the Washington Post in December last year.
According to the paper, interrogators from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had been subjecting Taleban and al-Qaeda suspects to "stress and duress" techniques of dubious legality.

Suspects at US facilities in Afghanistan and other foreign countries were sometimes held in uncomfortable positions for hours and deprived of sleep, the paper alleged.
About 650 men have been at Guantanamo Bay since the detention base was established in January 2002. Many more are held elsewhere.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2825575.stm

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,909295,00.html

actual headline -

"Afghan prisoners beaten to death at US military
interrogation base"


'Blunt force injuries' cited in murder ruling

Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
Friday March 7, 2003
The Guardian

Two prisoners who died while being held for interrogation at the US military base in Afghanistan had apparently been beaten, according to a military pathologist's report. A criminal investigation is now under way into the deaths which have both been classified as homicides.

The deaths have led to calls for an inquiry into what interrogation techniques are being used at the base where it is believed the al-Qaida leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, is now also being held. Former prisoners at the base claim that detainees are chained to the ceiling, shackled so tightly that the blood flow stops, kept naked and hooded and kicked to keep them awake for days on end.

The two men, both Afghans, died last December at the US forces base in Bagram, north of Kabul, where prisoners have been held for questioning. The autopsies found they had suffered "blunt force injuries" and classified both deaths as homicides

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welcome to Bush's State of torture, silencing
dissent, secret arrests, blackmail, propaganda,
political payoffs, energy scams stealing Billion$.

And Kennyboy still has his 100s of Millions he stole.
Why? because he's smirk's boy.

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here's another :


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=384604

American military officials acknowledged yesterday that two prisoners captured in Afghanistan in December had been killed while under interrogation at Bagram air base north of Kabul reviving concerns that the US is resorting to torture in its treatment of Taliban fighters and suspected al-Qa'ida operatives.

A spokesman for the air base confirmed that the official cause of death of the two men was "homicide", contradicting earlier accounts that one had died of a heart attack and the other from a pulmonary embolism.

The men's death certificates, made public earlier this week, showed that one captive, known only as Dilawar, 22, from the Khost region, died from "blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease" while another captive, Mullah Habibullah, 30, suffered from blood clot in the lung that was exacerbated by a "blunt force injury".

US officials previously admitted using "stress and duress" on prisoners including sleep deprivation, denial of medication for battle injuries, forcing them to stand or kneel for hours on end with hoods on, subjecting them to loud noises and sudden flashes of light and engaging in culturally humiliating practices such as having them kicked by female officers.

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 06:54 PM
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1. Has a culture of war criminality ascended on our
house?
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 06:54 PM
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2. It's OK though.
They were just islamicister terrorists.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 06:57 PM
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3. I don't think the voting classes have a problem with that

They have accepted seizing peoples' families for "interrogation," for a while, too.

There may be some flurry of mild dissent with the first white American victims, but as long as the regime stresses that it is part of the war on terror, I don't think there will be any significant opposition.
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Enraged American Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 07:01 PM
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5. Yeah.
The people who are detained are indefinitely ostracized from society that no one will know what happens to them. The American people will keep on buying the propaganda unless it actually happens to them. They have an "It's not happening to me; therefore it;s not happening" mentality. It's disgusting.
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 07:00 PM
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4. There were talking about the virtues of torture...
Immediately after the attacks in '01, there were WH musings about how useful torture could be, and which countries to warehouse, or ship, enemy combatants so that we could employ torture. I'm not surprised it's true, I'm surprised it's been made public. I'll be shocked into paralysis if it gets more press.
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